[tyndal23]

I don’t follow. Everyone always complaining about how tough to schedule as an Independent. BYU plays Liberty in 2022. Guess what? That is the only Independent matchup they have in 3 years. 2021,22,23

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/byu/

That's great for them but it took them a long time to get to that point and I would argue they have some built in advantages that k state and Iowa St wouldn't have. Just because something is hard doesn't mean it isn't possible but schools generally like to take the easy way out when it comes to these things.

So an established P5 that goes Independent will have it harder than a smaller school in what specific categories? Scheduling? TV contracts? Home and home series? Home fan support?

BYU went independent in 2011. Here is a link to their 1st season with 7 home games. ( and every season you want to look at )
https://fbschedules.com/ncaa-2011/team/byu

[tyndal23]

Here is data on KSU.
https://247sports.com/college/kansas-st ... 68308355_1

[alabama24]

The guy who authored the 12 team format is the SEC Commish

Ahem. https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-f ... oyomdE1uUQ

[Ill flame]

I don’t follow. Everyone always complaining about how tough to schedule as an Independent. BYU plays Liberty in 2022. Guess what? That is the only Independent matchup they have in 3 years. 2021,22,23

https://fbschedules.com/ncaa/byu/

That's great for them but it took them a long time to get to that point and I would argue they have some built in advantages that k state and Iowa St wouldn't have. Just because something is hard doesn't mean it isn't possible but schools generally like to take the easy way out when it comes to these things.

So an established P5 that goes Independent will have it harder than a smaller school in what specific categories? Scheduling? TV contracts? Home and home series? Home fan support?

If k state (just to pick one of the lower tier big 12 schools) became an independent, I would not consider them any better off than BYU if that's who your referring to when you say smaller school. BYU has a bigger fanbase that's nation wide, would probably have a bigger budget and a better tv deal. Would k state be able to schedule better than BYU? Probably although your underestimating how much work it would take the AD that they won't want to do if they can avoid it.

[tyndal23]

That's great for them but it took them a long time to get to that point and I would argue they have some built in advantages that k state and Iowa St wouldn't have. Just because something is hard doesn't mean it isn't possible but schools generally like to take the easy way out when it comes to these things.

So an established P5 that goes Independent will have it harder than a smaller school in what specific categories? Scheduling? TV contracts? Home and home series? Home fan support?

If k state (just to pick one of the lower tier big 12 schools) became an independent, I would not consider them any better off than BYU if that's who your referring to when you say smaller school. BYU has a bigger fanbase that's nation wide, would probably have a bigger budget and a better tv deal. Would k state be able to schedule better than BYU? Probably although your underestimating how much work it would take the AD that they won't want to do if they can avoid it.

Lazy AD aside, it will all come down to $. If AAC is their only option, they are going to have to weigh the $ factor of being Independent vs a better path to playoff with a G5 Conference. Either choice will be a major haircut from current Big 12 $. Frankly, I think Baylor has more to worry about than KSU, they both could be in trouble. Scheduling will be easier for them from a geographical standpoint, they can get 1 for 1 with PAC and Big teams without a major travel mileage issue. BYU is a bit more limited geographically with P5 teams, although they pull off a few east coast teams willing to do it.

[tyndal23]

The guy who authored the 12 team format is the SEC Commish

Ahem. https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-f ... oyomdE1uUQ

I know that and every one knows he was approached to “ fix the playoff system” which has been owned by SEC. My entire point is IF he wanted to make it an SEC advantage he could have pushed for top 4 conferences plus one guaranteed G5 auto bid and 7 at large rather than 6 best conferences ( knowing full well that Big 12 wouldn’t survive losing OU TX ). Your comment about how he wouldn’t structure it unless it benefited SEC is the same line SEC haters are using with absolutely no logic. Now every Conference P5 gets a gty spot ( unless they really choke and get beat out by 2 G5 conferences ) but are still whining that SEC may get too many teams in even though they also get in ( looking at you PAC 12 ). He was asked to be on the committee and they did it brilliantly ( in my opinion). And I am a Big 12 guy ( until OU goes to SEC ) and it irks me that so many people whine about SEC - just beat them or take your medicine without whining about it unti, you do. ( I assume you are an SEC guy with your moniker - not sure why you are joining the SEC hater logic on this issue )

[tyndal23]

So an established P5 that goes Independent will have it harder than a smaller school in what specific categories? Scheduling? TV contracts? Home and home series? Home fan support?

If k state (just to pick one of the lower tier big 12 schools) became an independent, I would not consider them any better off than BYU if that's who your referring to when you say smaller school. BYU has a bigger fanbase that's nation wide, would probably have a bigger budget and a better tv deal. Would k state be able to schedule better than BYU? Probably although your underestimating how much work it would take the AD that they won't want to do if they can avoid it.

Lazy AD aside, it will all come down to $. If AAC is their only option, they are going to have to weigh the $ factor of being Independent vs a better path to playoff with a G5 Conference. Either choice will be a major haircut from current Big 12 $. Frankly, I think Baylor has more to worry about than KSU, they both could be in trouble. Scheduling will be easier for them from a geographical standpoint, they can get 1 for 1 with PAC and Big teams without a major travel mileage issue. BYU is a bit more limited geographically with P5 teams, although they pull off a few east coast teams willing to do it.

Here are BYU 2020 Covid numbers with all P5 games cancelled vs their prior years with P5 games. Back when I was pushing LU to schedule P5 max this is a major reason - eyeballs and tv $.
https://247sports.com/college/byu/Artic ... 158488236/

[TH Spangler]

B12 - UCF talk


https://thespun.com/aac/ucf/report-ucf- ... conference

[tyndal23]

B12 - UCF talk


https://thespun.com/aac/ucf/report-ucf- ... conference

Good stuff. Ironically, only an Independent can roll the dice right now on Big 12 staying together past 2025. ( tomorrow we may find out it doesn’t make it past 2021 ) UCF in a mess if it jumps then folds and have to ask themselves what is next step if it does. Can they afford Independence for a while - I think yes they could but still too risky. BYU is the one school that can make the move and revert back to Independent if necessary. UCF would have to insist on entry by 2022 to get at least 3 years of P5 and roll the dice - their buyout and penalties are big in that scenario. For giggles - LU would need to write a very big check for entry and consideration - would it be worth it ? It would put us in the Conscious minds of CFB as a former P5 team and get us much closer to P5 Equivalent for 2026 if Big 12 blew up after 2025 and easier to schedule P5 home and home as an Independent and make future tv contracts able to support much more of our remaining sports. ( again just for laughs ).

[rmiller1959]

Well, that's one option off the table:

https://theathletic.com/news/pac-12-wil ... nVHMOjFrzA

[Ill flame]

Looks like the big 12 will stay together for awhile longer until conferences get greedy again. The only big 12 school i can see the B1G take is Kansas which wouldn't be a deal breaker for the big 12 either

[TH Spangler]

Liberty and BYU could join b12 and return to indy easly if it didn’t last.

[tyndal23]

Liberty and BYU could join b12 and return to indy easly if it didn’t last.

Sounds familiar...ha!

[Kricket]

It wouldn't be a bad idea for Liberty to call up the Big 12 and tell them we'd be a temporary member if they lost another school on short notice. Being Indy allows us to do something similar to Notre Dame and the ACC last year, but in this case it would be to fill the gap while they found permanent schools to join.

No way the Big 12 invites us permanently. I think they'd rather fold, and they'd probably rather fold than have us in their conference even temporarily. It doesn't hurt to be supportive of their efforts to survive though and maybe make some friends.

[ballcoach15]

Liberty should be working phone lines for permanent membership in Big 12. LU should be B12's top target for expansion.

[Kricket]

Liberty should be working phone lines for permanent membership in Big 12. LU should be B12's top target for expansion.

Repeating that over and over doesn't make it true. I can't imagine how we make a better case than UCF, Cincy, BYU, Houston, etc.

[ballcoach15]

We have a better overall athletic program than those schools, and better facilities.

[tyndal23]

We have a better overall athletic program than those schools, and better facilities.

Name just one of those schools that we have better football facilities than they do...

[ballcoach15]

UCF

[alabama24]

I can't imagine how we make a better case than UCF, Cincy, BYU, Houston, etc.

Preface: I don't believe we will be in the Big 12 anytime soon, but believe we should jump if offered.

<IF> it would ever make sense for the B12 to invite us, it would have to be with a significant restructuring and rebranding. They should have east and west coast divisions.

UCF, Cincy and who else would you want to join us?

[tyndal23]

UCF

When is the last time you were there?

[rmiller1959]

They make a strong case for BYU being the next domino to fall:

https://theathletic.com/2793207/2021/08 ... ed-article

[BlueBlood]

I've been to UCF recently. The Bounce House is bigger than Williams and their new Arena is better than LUs. Other than that, advantage LU across the board as to all other facilities (including football indoor practice facility)

[tyndal23]

I've been to UCF recently. The Bounce House is bigger than Williams and their new Arena is better than LUs. Other than that, advantage LU across the board as to all other facilities (including football indoor practice facility)

UCF - Bigger better weight room, bigger better football dining hall.
LU - better looking locker room ( not bigger ) just newer.

Coming soon... https://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/ ... story.html

[cruzan_flame13]

I've been to UCF recently. The Bounce House is bigger than Williams and their new Arena is better than LUs. Other than that, advantage LU across the board as to all other facilities (including football indoor practice facility)
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UCF has made a name for themselves in the past 6-7 years that has boost their brand. They do have a case to move up the ladder, especially with location. The question is how quickly they can financially develop in order to not create any future risks. I'm guessing their booster donation would increase, so that'll do. Not saying that LU will be considered, but the programs would develop easy and quickly and could surpass the facilities of UCF. Let's just say the Big makes a deal with us [because God used Ian to negotiate so well and it's a miracle like joining the FBS], the season tickets would increase at least 3-7% and that is highly considered from fans living outside if LHY. We have more alumni that live in the upper DMV, Norfolk/Newport News, and NC areas. I would think that even locks would come just to see some known teams like UCF, BYU, WV (if their hope of joining the ACC becomes a flop), Baylor and the likes. It would take a about 2-3 years to expand Williams stadium to what is needed as spectators come more to watch something of more value. The same thing could happen with basketball. It may come to a point that they build another arena of 5-7k seats for the men just because more people would like to see P5's in action (arena[and a car garage] can be placed behind the new food services were Docs was located. That would only be the things that'll need expansion and it could be done quickly. Then LU could put more time and money with academia/research. Just a thought.