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sstaedtler wrote: ↑July 15th, 2021, 8:39 pm Holloman and Salter make me nervous. In fairness, Holloman has been on FIU's roster for two years and nothing has happened as far as him getting in trouble. Salter doesn't seem really mature and I am not sure he grasps his mistakes and that he won't continue to get more chances if he messes up again.Nervous is good. These young men do need to show out. I would not think they are coming her thinking they are at Miami of the 80's and 90"s. The blank check is not there.
Sly Fox wrote: ↑July 15th, 2021, 10:34 pm The Asa shadow haunts those of us who have been around long enough to rememebr him. Ian & Coach Freeze weren't here for that debacle. But it is certainly a cautionary tale that they have heard plenty about since arriving on the mountain.Yeah, Asa definitely casts a *big* shadow.
Jonathan Carone wrote: ↑July 15th, 2021, 10:20 pm For the "I trust Hugh" and "I trust Ian" crowd:I don’t think Ian or Hugh have done anything here (that we know of) to suggest there’s any problems, but I also don’t think two years for Freeze is enough time to say there won’t be any either. It seems like he’s gained some of y’all’s trust just because he’s been successful. We knew from the get-go that he’d be successful. The question was always about ethics and tactics. Time will tell if these guys pan out. Even if they don’t, it won’t necessarily be Freeze’s fault, but what will be telling is how he handles the behavior issues when they do occur.
I get it. I really do. But I also trusted Danny Rocco. I worked for him for three years and I know his character. He's one of the best men I've ever been around.
But when you're a highly competitive individual who is really great at your job, you start to think "I can be the one to get it right. I can fix him." Your ego - often times used in really healthy ways - and desire to win - again, often used really well - convince you to take chances you shouldn't be taking and make exceptions you normally wouldn't take.
I'm all for second chances, and I really hope my concerns are Asa Chapman PTSD, but I can't blindly trust coaches when they start bringing in a few high rated second chance guys all at once.
olldflame wrote: ↑July 16th, 2021, 8:46 amHad to search for Asa's crime--by the sound of it I thought he killed or nearly killed somebody. He dealt some drugs. OK bad but not THAT bad. Unless there was more to the story I'm less worried about setting a pattern. UVa and VaT have both had multiple murderers around campus. Has not seemed to scare of many applicants.Sly Fox wrote: ↑July 15th, 2021, 10:34 pm The Asa shadow haunts those of us who have been around long enough to rememebr him. Ian & Coach Freeze weren't here for that debacle. But it is certainly a cautionary tale that they have heard plenty about since arriving on the mountain.Yeah, Asa definitely casts a *big* shadow.
badger74 wrote: ↑July 16th, 2021, 8:06 pm UVa and VaT have both had multiple murderers around campus. Has not seemed to scare of many applicants.Those schools don’t have the same mission we do. We have to walk a fine line of redemption vs hypocrites.
thepostman wrote: ↑July 16th, 2021, 8:58 pm Dude was huge so obviously he cast a large shadow!I remember the trouble he got in and AD and Prez left it up to coach to determine if he would let him back on team after the court case got reduced ( which seemed to doom Rocco when he elected to let him come back) but wasn’t aware he was a project coming in...
He had trouble before he got here, which is the reason he got brought up.