[stokesjokes]

Just because "they" do it, doesn't mean we swing the pendulum back the opposite direction and become teetotalers against it. Our job as Christians is to rise above the noise and find where Jesus is. He is in many of these movements. Not completely. Not even mostly in some situations. But he's there. For us to have an impact on our culture moving forward we can't avoid these things because they're not 100% right. We need to be training our students how to approach the issues from a biblical perspective, calling out evil while pressing into holy. It's going to be really, really hard. But being a Champion has never been easy.

One of the things I see at work here, and that is very apparent on this board, is what I’m going to coin “the secondary source problem.” I’d wager most here talking about the evils of BLM, social justice, CRT, etc have only engaged with these ideas through secondary sources. That is to say, their only contact with these ideas is through criticism of those ideas.

Imagine if your only contact with Christianity was through stuff written by Richard Dawkins, you wouldn’t see Jesus much in that either.

[Yacht Rock]

One of the things I see at work here, and that is very apparent on this board, is what I’m going to coin “the secondary source problem.” I’d wager most here talking about the evils of BLM, social justice, CRT, etc have only engaged with these ideas through secondary sources. That is to say, their only contact with these ideas is through criticism of those ideas.

Imagine if your only contact with Christianity was through stuff written by Richard Dawkins, you wouldn’t see Jesus much in that either.

Yeah, that’s been pretty clear. Some of the stuff said is pretty out of touch from the reality. It reflects the bubble people are in.

[RubberMallet]

[sstaedtler]

One of the things I see at work here, and that is very apparent on this board, is what I’m going to coin “the secondary source problem.” I’d wager most here talking about the evils of BLM, social justice, CRT, etc have only engaged with these ideas through secondary sources. That is to say, their only contact with these ideas is through criticism of those ideas.

Imagine if your only contact with Christianity was through stuff written by Richard Dawkins, you wouldn’t see Jesus much in that either.

Yeah, that’s been pretty clear. Some of the stuff said is pretty out of touch from the reality. It reflects the bubble people are in.

The only source we need is Scripture to know that Critical Race Theory and many tenets of social justice are wrong. Listen to any speaker that speaks on these things. I listened to Eric Mason, a well-known pastor the left loves say to an African American audience, "Some of you are black on the outside but Anglo-Saxon on the inside." How demeaning. These types of things are typical in the literature and with the speakers that are listened to. Many of these pastors sounds good when reading Scripture but when they get to the application part their messages go haywire and don't really connect. Any person who listened to their speakers and literature over and over would grow up to hate white people. These speakers start with a premise that systemic racism is everywhere without every even proving their case factually.

[thepostman]

I don't really understand how systemic racism can be dismissed as something that doesn't exist just because someone said something you didn't like but that is a whole other discussion that we can have elsewhere. If you determine it is important enough to discuss, feel free to start a thread on it. What this thread is about is our next president.

What I want is someone who doesn't get lost in the winds of poltics and is rooted in the Word of God. Something, we have needed for a while. I feel like that is something we can all agree on. As Christians, we may disagree sometimes politically BUT what should make us different is our focus on Christ. That is what building champions for Christ is all about. Sending people out into the world with a foundation in Christ, not poltics. It will take a leader who is grounded in the Word to truly fulfill that mission.

[jbock13]

The problem with “systematic racism” is that it is a ghost hunting campaign. When you can’t point to specific examples of systematic racism, people will often argue that you can’t disprove it. Of course, trying to prove a negative is a logical fallacy.

[Purple Haize]

Just because "they" do it, doesn't mean we swing the pendulum back the opposite direction and become teetotalers against it. Our job as Christians is to rise above the noise and find where Jesus is. He is in many of these movements. Not completely. Not even mostly in some situations. But he's there. For us to have an impact on our culture moving forward we can't avoid these things because they're not 100% right. We need to be training our students how to approach the issues from a biblical perspective, calling out evil while pressing into holy. It's going to be really, really hard. But being a Champion has never been easy.

One of the things I see at work here, and that is very apparent on this board, is what I’m going to coin “the secondary source problem.” I’d wager most here talking about the evils of BLM, social justice, CRT, etc have only engaged with these ideas through secondary sources. That is to say, their only contact with these ideas is through criticism of those ideas.

Imagine if your only contact with Christianity was through stuff written by Richard Dawkins, you wouldn’t see Jesus much in that either.

I’ve sat through a couple seminars based on Social Justice and CRT. I just keep my mouth shut so the box is checked for my diversity training. The people who have taught it have never seemed like the most happy and fulfilled people
I’m not going to apologize for treating people as I would like to be treated. I will not apologize for helping those in need in a manner I feel God is calling me to do. I wont apologize for my race gender or religion.
If that offends you that’s your problem. If that’s something you can work with, let’s do it. Does it sound harsh? Maybe. But I don’t expect people who do not believe as I do to tell me how to live out my beliefs

[stokesjokes]

If it makes you feel better, Haize, I had you down as the most likely of those staunchly opposed to those ideas to have at least engaged directly with them.

[Purple Haize]

If it makes you feel better, Haize, I had you down as the most likely of those staunchly opposed to those ideas to have at least engaged directly with them.

It warms the cockles of my heart
And I’m not sure it’s opposition. It’s just a mindset I’m not going to subscribe to or put myself in a position to subscribe to. If my Faith isn’t enough and you want me to change and put labels on it I’m not interested.
The greatest deceptions have an element of truth in them

[FlamesHighontheTide]

Lets say for the point I hope to make that the narrative about an unjustified shooting against Jacob Blake is true.

My question is this, how come the NFL, NBA, MLB, Democrats and others aren't championing the girl Jacob Blake sexually assaulted and who had a restraining order against him? Isn't that just as much a social justice issue as the potential unjustified shooting of Jacob Blake? Matter of fact it quite possibly should be paraded more than the Jacob Blake shooting(since the shooting has not been ruled an unjustified shoot, but Jacob Blake was charged) for their agenda purposes. Remember the #METOO movement? Doesn't this fit the bill or have we forgotten about it?

Injustice is injustice in the eyes of God and what was done to this young lady was a clear cut injustice. This is not to say that the shooting was or was not an unjust action. When someone gets shot it is awful, because that someone could lose their life. If we are going to be for justice as God's people then we need to be for all kinds of justice not just the one's people are promoting through the media. By the way, in no way am I implying any one of us on this board are. I just want to shed light on one of the media's darling social justice/BLM individuals. Pray for Jacob Blake, his family, pray for the girl he sexually assaulted. Most of all pray that we as Christians will share the Gospel with more fervency than ever because that is what the world needs most.

[ballcoach15]

I am still trying to figure out just what the Democrats actually want ?
If a policeman on patrol thinks his life is in danger, where is connection to the NFL, NBA and other sports ?
Back in my younger days, I graduated from Missouri Highway Patrol Academy. I don't recall any classes on sports.

[TH Spangler]

I am still trying to figure out just what the Democrats actually want ?

Personal power and the loot that comes with it

[thepostman]

So let's try to get back on track. Now that some time has past, are there any other names that have come to mind that you all would like to fill that role? Also, do you all believe that we should wait until the independent investigation is over to move forward with a permanent president?

[Purple Haize]

So let's try to get back on track. Now that some time has past, are there any other names that have come to mind that you all would like to fill that role? Also, do you all believe that we should wait until the independent investigation is over to move forward with a permanent president?

I think you can do both. I think a new President would give the Investigation more clout. Having the BoT or EC, whoever was most in charge of oversight, step down or announce they are stepping down at the end of their terms would bolster confidence as well. Ridding the University of anyone named FALWELL or related to them or indebted to them would be a home run
I’m not confident any of that will happen. I fear they’ve made their Bold move and have had their fill

[thepostman]

Yeah, that isn't a bad idea but who would be the group hiring? I don't trust the BoT or EC to make good decisions so who should it be? I really don't know. Maybe the church should be come more active with the search process but they haven't shown any indication that they are willing to be more involved.

One thing that is extremely clear, a lot of people need to go and we need a fresh start. I am impatient and wish things would start happening right now but I understand that these things take time.

[Purple Haize]

Yeah, that isn't a bad idea but who would be the group hiring? I don't trust the BoT or EC to make good decisions so who should it be? I really don't know. Maybe the church should be come more active with the search process but they haven't shown any indication that they are willing to be more involved.

One thing that is extremely clear, a lot of people need to go and we need a fresh start. I am impatient and wish things would start happening right now but I understand that these things take time.

I’m guessing here, but I can’t believe there are a lot of companies that do this type of thing. So I’m guessing there are a handful of companies that do this sort of thing and have experience.

[thepostman]

Yeah, we could find a hiring agency to do the process. I have a feeling that would ruffle a lot of feathers.

[Jonathan Carone]

Feathers need to be ruffled. No organization our size hires a new top executive without an outside organization helping.

[Purple Haize]

Yeah, we could find a hiring agency to do the process. I have a feeling that would ruffle a lot of feathers.

I was actually talking about the independent audit but yeah a hiring firm might not be a bad idea for a new President. Select a handful of candidates for the BoT to chose from. At this point feather ruffling isn’t necessarily a bad thing

[thepostman]

Feathers need to be ruffled. No organization our size hires a new top executive without an outside organization helping.

Oh, don't get me wrong. I want all of the feathers to be ruffled. I've made that clear but our BoT and senior leadership have shown zero concern about anything other then their position so i don't forsee them being willing to step aside and let anybody from the outside decide their future.

[flameshaw]

So let's try to get back on track. Now that some time has past, are there any other names that have come to mind that you all would like to fill that role? Also, do you all believe that we should wait until the independent investigation is over to move forward with a permanent president?

I think you can do both. I think a new President would give the Investigation more clout. Having the BoT or EC, whoever was most in charge of oversight, step down or announce they are stepping down at the end of their terms would bolster confidence as well. Ridding the University of anyone named FALWELL or related to them or indebted to them would be a home run
I’m not confident any of that will happen. I fear they’ve made their Bold move and have had their fill

There will be some changes. I suspect some of the Board will leave at the end of their terms, if not before. One needs to remember that just because a person is a Falwell, or related to them, does not make them a bad person. Every position needs to be evaluated, preferably by an outside entity.
For example, I would dare say that there is not a better ambassador for LU than Terry Falwell. He loves LU like no one I have ever met. He has other personal qualities that remind me of Doc. He cares for people, like very few others are capable of.
Jonathon has done a good job with TRBC. He is a humble man and clearly God's hand is on him.
Just like a last name should not automatically qualify someone for a position, it should not automatically disqualify anyone either.
Personally, my confidence in the Board has been bolstered in the last few months. No one here, in our wildest dreams, believed they would take any punitive action toward Jr. yet they did. As more things are uncovered and come to light, I believe they will make more changes. They would do themselves a yuuuuuge favor, to move on from Nasser. But we will see how that develops.
It is hard to argue that the Board has done some good things, since the news about Jr. came out. It can also be argued that they should have been more diligent in their oversight. Personally, I would rather have some of the Board retained, that have helped guide us through these troubled waters. After all, once bit, twice shy.
We all have to believe that God is bigger than one person and LU has the opportunity to become better than it ever has been. Hopefully, He will favor us if we move back to our roots.

[bluedevilflame]

Feathers need to be ruffled. No organization our size hires a new top executive without an outside organization helping.

The phrase "coming home to Jesus" keeps coming to mind when I think about the next steps for LU. It's time for some major changes at the top!

[ballcoach15]

On the surface, I can think of only 1 who needs to go.

[Purple Haize]

On the surface, I can think of only 1 who needs to go.

Since that’s usually the extent of your critical thinking abilities I’m not surprised

[ballcoach15]

Actually there was 2 more under consideration for my "to go" list.