[Purple Haize]

But if they are so self righteous to want to do something donating a game check as a team would garner a lot more conversation and action then pouting on the sidelines. How is them not playing helping? Oh yeah, people are having a “conversation “.

Donating a game check gets three sentences in the C-block of Sportscenter and everyone moves on.

Refusing to play gets an entire new cycle or two.

If we're talking about conversation and awareness, not playing is obviously bigger.

It can't stop at not playing though. They have to attach action to their protest.

It will stop at not playing.
I think you’re missing my point and I’ll disagree with yours. By sitting out a game the “Conversation “ becomes about them and their actions. It polarizes the debate, doesn’t really motivate anyone to action and accomplishes nothing. A player here or there donating time and or money is awesome but won’t move the needle. BUT by having these same play off teams coming out and saying they are going to donate their playoff game checks to specific actions like I listed it absolutely changes the narrative. You can follow up on it. You can see tangible results. The “conversation “ stays focused on the Community affected Other people become motivated to act. It could actually unify as opposed to divide.
But pulling this stunt which will cost the players nothing and solve nothing is much easier

[stokesjokes]

There are certainly different ways to motivate change, that doesn't make yours necessarily the right way. The players have said their goal is to have the NBA owners and league itself commit more to funding change. They're trying to motivate billionaires to show up for their cause, which could have a larger impact than what the players themselves can do.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

I'm not against protesting or promoting change where change is needed. However, how many of us could get away with boycotting a day at work for whatever reason or threaten to sit out an entire week, or month in order for changes to be made. These guys are paid to play and as of last night are not living up to their contractional agreements. How come nobody is talking about that side of the story?

[Purple Haize]

There are certainly different ways to motivate change, that doesn't make yours necessarily the right way. The players have said their goal is to have the NBA owners and league itself commit more to funding change. They're trying to motivate billionaires to show up for their cause, which could have a larger impact than what the players themselves can do.

Yeah. I’m calling
Lead by example. You want someone else to follow your cause? You better be in the forefront. You want someone else to pony up resources? Then you’d better have ponied up a whole lot yourself.

[Jonathan Carone]

I'm not against protesting or promoting change where change is needed. However, how many of us could get away with boycotting a day at work for whatever reason or threaten to sit out an entire week, or month in order for changes to be made. These guys are paid to play and as of last night are not living up to their contractional agreements. How come nobody is talking about that side of the story?

Because their leadership understands the value of the players to the league. They’d rather work with them in the short term to preserve the relationship of the union with the owners. That’s why basketball doesn’t have the labor issues the other sports do.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

I know Lebron has given back alot to the Akron community and I am sure elsewhere too. However, I would love to see many in the NBA do what Chris Long did a few years ago and donate their entire yearly salary to police reform. Change costs something. Words are great but money and actions speak louder.

[Jonathan Carone]

The NBA has already committed $300 million to the cause. That's a ton of money.

[stokesjokes]

There are certainly different ways to motivate change, that doesn't make yours necessarily the right way. The players have said their goal is to have the NBA owners and league itself commit more to funding change. They're trying to motivate billionaires to show up for their cause, which could have a larger impact than what the players themselves can do.

Yeah. I’m calling
Lead by example. You want someone else to follow your cause? You better be in the forefront. You want someone else to pony up resources? Then you’d better have ponied up a whole lot yourself.

I'll call on you calling (yes, you can triple stamp a double stamp)
Do you know what the players do with their time and resources? Plenty of them give of their time and resources. And obviously they've been in the forefront, that's what we're even talking about.

Complaining that they are "making it about themselves" while also complaining that they should "be in the forefront" doesn't make any sense.

[Purple Haize]

Lookit. Now you’ve used up all the emjoi’s. So selfish!
You miss the point. They have now made the conversation about themselves not the issues. Yes some give time and money back to their communities. Did you read any of my previous posts? But if they are so incensed NOW to do something collectively then do something that matters. Do something that can make a difference. Do something where people will look at their actions and be motivated to follow suit. Do something to bring sympathy and compassion to their cause. Boycotting a playoff game does none of that.

[stokesjokes]

I think they think that's what they're doing. It's not how you have received it, but that doesn't mean others haven't received it differently.

[Purple Haize]

I think they think that's what they're doing. It's not how you have received it, but that doesn't mean others haven't received it differently.

Tokenism it is then

[Purple Haize]

Oh good. Problem solved. So courageous. Great Conversation was had

[thepostman]

Do you have any idea of what talks were able to happen behind the scenes because of this? You probably do but choose to deem it not important because you don't see instant results. I get not agreeing with the tactics, but I don't really understand being so hard-lined against it. It is really bizarre to me but I know you and I will not see eye to eye on this which happens but talking down to these guys who just want to see things change will never make sense to me.

Oh well, the season will be played out and you guys will go back to not paying attention to the NBA. I will still enjoy basketball.

[Purple Haize]

You tell me what was accomplished? What could possibly be accomplished in 18 hours? I don’t need to see instant results but a plan of action would be nice. I mean if things were so desperate and vile in the world yesterday that they could not bring themselves to lace them up, what’s changed? Nothing.

[thepostman]

Why do you need to know that? I mean they had a lot of government officials on the phone with them over the past 12 to 16 hours. Would that have happened if they just shut up and dribbled? Of course not.

Nothing was going to be accomplished that is tangible in 24 hours.

[Purple Haize]

Why do you need to know that? I mean they had a lot of government officials on the phone with them over the past 12 to 16 hours. Would that have happened if they just shut up and dribbled? Of course not.

Nothing was going to be accomplished that is tangible in 24 hours.

Why? Simple. They want things to change and said “We aren’t playing until things change”. Or more accurately “We are t playing until someone else changes”. So now they are playing. So what changed? Or is it a bunch of BS? I mean if you want me to be sympathetic to your cause and your actions you need to show me results. If they want to be true to their mission they should still not be playing until there is public change.

[RubberMallet]

This is something I don't have a problem with outside of perhaps this was the wrong incident to latch onto (we clearly have no real idea if this was justified or not) but if you understand the monetary ramifications of something like this and that is fine for you, go for it. I too question what it will change. But whatever, nobody is talking about or really watching the NBA right now. or was anyway. This is a throw away season perfect for this type of a move. I think resuming the season is a smart move when you think about the financial situations canceling could put not playing/coaching staff in. and i assume that was the message.

I believe canceling a single game or rescheduling it or whatever is a good place, and you move the conversation from there. canceling the rest of the season could bring frustration to many who actually support you.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Because nobody is listening. Instead they tune into fox news to hear Tucker Carlson trying to justify a 17 year old kid shooting someone using vigilante jusfice.

Anyways, I know better than to discuss these things here but sometimes I can't help it.

Breaking:

Yeah. It’s all Fox News fault. I’m guessing Tucker has replaced Hannity as the new Boogeyman?
No one is listening because no one cares when NBA players just pull stunts like this. Here’s a much better idea. But one they would never do because you know, they’d actually have to do something. Why not donate their playoff checks to help rebuild the business destroyed by last nights riots? Pay for the schooling of the guy who was shot (whether justifiable or not) by police? Why not pay for the funerals and medical expenses of the dead and wounded in the Kenosha riots? They did THAT, people would listen. Because THAT is doing something. Not this SJW Participation BS. So go back to watching your MSNBC and how awful everyone who criticizes the NBA is

They’ve done stuff like that dozens of times and gets mentioned in the news for 15 minutes and no one generally pays attention to it.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Athletes have paid for funerals....

https://abcnews.go.com/amp/US/athletes- ... d=66361119

Heard less about it too.

I did chuckle at the thought of watching msnbc. No thanks. Good to see that you've got jokes.

But Tucker is just as bad as Don Lemon which you bring up often.

Oh I know they’ve paid for funerals on an individual basis. Bully for them! But if they are so self righteous to want to do something donating a game check as a team would garner a lot more conversation and action then pouting on the sidelines. How is them not playing helping? Oh yeah, people are having a “conversation “.
You must assume I watch a lot of fox. What’s wrong with it if I do? I generally get my news from actual press coverage of events or clips from different places. And it is utterly impossible to be more stupid than Don Lemon. The only reason I know of him is because all the stupid crap he says

Jrue Holiday and other have donated checks. Holiday donated all of his bubble salary. It gets mentioned for 15 minutes and no one generally cares.

You can’t have it both ways.

[lynchburgwildcats]

But if they are so self righteous to want to do something donating a game check as a team would garner a lot more conversation and action then pouting on the sidelines. How is them not playing helping? Oh yeah, people are having a “conversation “.

Donating a game check gets three sentences in the C-block of Sportscenter and everyone moves on.

Refusing to play gets an entire new cycle or two.

If we're talking about conversation and awareness, not playing is obviously bigger.

It can't stop at not playing though. They have to attach action to their protest.

It will stop at not playing.
I think you’re missing my point and I’ll disagree with yours. By sitting out a game the “Conversation “ becomes about them and their actions. It polarizes the debate, doesn’t really motivate anyone to action and accomplishes nothing. A player here or there donating time and or money is awesome but won’t move the needle. BUT by having these same play off teams coming out and saying they are going to donate their playoff game checks to specific actions like I listed it absolutely changes the narrative. You can follow up on it. You can see tangible results. The “conversation “ stays focused on the Community affected Other people become motivated to act. It could actually unify as opposed to divide.
But pulling this stunt which will cost the players nothing and solve nothing is much easier

Well it’s pretty painfully obvious you haven’t paid attention to anything outside of Fox News headlines so why don’t you come back and discuss this once you’ve educated yourself on the subject instead of sounding like a Facebook commenter?

[thepostman]

[lynchburgwildcats]

There are certainly different ways to motivate change, that doesn't make yours necessarily the right way. The players have said their goal is to have the NBA owners and league itself commit more to funding change. They're trying to motivate billionaires to show up for their cause, which could have a larger impact than what the players themselves can do.

Yeah. I’m calling
Lead by example. You want someone else to follow your cause? You better be in the forefront. You want someone else to pony up resources? Then you’d better have ponied up a whole lot yourself.

I'll call on you calling (yes, you can triple stamp a double stamp)
Do you know what the players do with their time and resources? Plenty of them give of their time and resources. And obviously they've been in the forefront, that's what we're even talking about.

Complaining that they are "making it about themselves" while also complaining that they should "be in the forefront" doesn't make any sense.

Of course he doesn’t. That would require paying attention, listening, and education, which sadly he apparently refuses to do because then it wouldn’t fit his phony narrative.

[Purple Haize]

Yes. I know all about LeBron’s elementary school and promise of college tuition (just don’t look TOO closely at it)

But here ya go. If the NBA players wanted to affect change I have a perfect item for them. There is no body cam footage of the incident in Kenosha. Why? The city couldn’t afford it so officers are not supplied with it. Why not donate a portion of their game checks of Game 5 to purchasing the top of the line body cam equipment for the Kenosha police department and or the Police departments of their respective areas? THAT would make a splash. THAT would be a tangible step. THAT would unify people. Heck, you’d probably have companies coming forward to offer those cameras for free or at cost because of the benefit down the road. See? Action. Leadership. Unity. Helping keep people safe. All those things they SAY they want.

[thepostman]

So they must help but only the way you see is best?

[jbock13]

I made it five months without live sports. I can make it a little longer until after the election when black lives will no longer matter to Democrats.

As if they ever did to leftists.