[4everfsu]

What is interesting is the list of people who attended BJ or gave money to BJU like Agnes Morehead from the TV show "Bewitched".
I attended BJU for one year before transferring to LBC. One of the first thing that they told the freshmen class during orientation was no footballs were allowed on campus. They thought the sport was too dangerous even for tag or pickup games. But yet they allowed intramural scccer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University

[kel varson]

What is interesting is the list of people who attended BJ or gave money to BJU like Agnes Morehead from the TV show "Bewitched".
I attended BJU for one year before transferring to LBC. One of the first thing that they told the freshmen class during orientation was no footballs were allowed on campus. They thought the sport was too dangerous even for tag or pickup games. But yet they allowed intramural scccer.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Jones_University

From what I hear, BJU is about like Liberty was in 80's. Things have changed a lot at BJU in the last 10 years.

[4everfsu]

Well at least at LBC we could have a football on campus. We use to get pickup games on the parking lot of TRBC, even Jerry would show up to play catch.

I wonder if BJU allows you to wear jeans now.

[PeterParker]

Please tell me that LU didn't have any racist "rules" on the books back in the 80's like BJU's former ban on interacial dating. I realise that LU today wholeheartedly embraces the diversity on campus which is a great thing and that LU should be defined by what the campus is like today rather than judged by any misguided, errant policies that may have been in the distant past, but still, I would like to think that LU as an institution avoided that stain of racism that follows BJU around even today in the public perception to some degree.

On a side note: Authoritarian control for control's sake under the guise of religion is woeful at best. I must've missed that part in the gospels where Jesus forbade throwing inflated leather hides to one another; unless one tries to expand the reach of the passage concerning the throwing of the rocks...

[kel varson]

Please tell me that LU didn't have any racist "rules" on the books back in the 80's like BJU's former ban on interacial dating. I realise that LU today wholeheartedly embraces the diversity on campus which is a great thing and that LU should be defined by what the campus is like today rather than judged by any misguided, errant policies that may have been in the distant past, but still, I would like to think that LU as an institution avoided that stain of racism that follows BJU around even today in the public perception to some degree.

On a side note: Authoritarian control for control's sake under the guise of religion is woeful at best. I must've missed that part in the gospels where Jesus forbade throwing inflated leather hides to one another; unless one tries to expand the reach of the passage concerning the throwing of the rocks...

In case I was misunderstood. Bob Jones in the 80's did not equal Liberty in the 80's. Even then BJU was more conservative/legalistic. What I'm saying is BJU is not nearly as legalistic as they were back in the 80's and 90's.

[Cider Jim]

What I'm saying is BJU is not nearly as legalistic as they were back in the 80's and 90's.

Any specific examples as to how they have changed?

I drove through there a few years back, and women were still wearing ankle-length skirts and guys were still wearing ties to classes.

At least they have pursued and obtained TRACS accreditation, and JF even gives them credit for that in the Liberty Journal.

[kel varson]

What I'm saying is BJU is not nearly as legalistic as they were back in the 80's and 90's.

Any specific examples as to how they have changed?

I drove through there a few years back, and women were still wearing ankle-length skirts and guys were still wearing ties to classes.

At least they have pursued and obtained TRACS accreditation, and JF even gives them credit for that in the Liberty Journal.

http://www.bju.edu/prospective/expect/dress.html

[Fumblerooskies]

I drove through there a few years back, and women were still wearing ankle-length skirts and guys were still wearing ties to classes.

It wasn't but about 5-6 years ago that one could say the same thing about LU.

[Sly Fox]

The current Jones in charge has made a bunch of changes in recent years (much to the consternation of many of its alumni). They've been forced to back off their segregationist tendencies that inspired 'Colour Code' and unilateral disdain for the school nationally.

They still refer to us as 'Liberal University' and look down their noses at us while not engaging in worldly intercollegiate athletics. So while some things might be changing, many things always stay the same.

[ATrain]

I would've lasted, oh say, a week-maybe 2-at BJU. I would've lasted about 10 minutes at Pensacola Christian.

[4everfsu]

We use to refer to Pensacola Christian as BJU South.
I wonder if BJ still has their 1st and 2nd degree seperation that they follow?

[Purple Haize]

Does PCC still have the Pink , Blue and Grey side walks? I went down there and that marked where the girls could walk, the boys could walk and the co ed walkways. Also, Pilsbury college in Minnesota was also like that. They are VERY restrictive

[ATrain]

My question is why do people PAY to go to these places? I can understand it if they got a fullride or are on someone else's bill or something, but actually paying...eesh.

[PAmedic]

My question is why do people PAY to go to these places?

I'm betting NO kids pay to go there.

my guess is over protective mommys and daddys who are too scared to let jr (or jr-ette) face the real world pay good money to send them to these places to keep them "pure", find a "good Christian" to marry and come back home.

hope you like a nice, safe, vanilla life.

[thepostman]

didn't liberty use to have a ban on inter racial dating back in the 70's?? Or is that just one of the many Liberty urban legends??

[bigsmooth]

BJU is a racist school, that i detest. i know some kids who after attending there were brainwashed into that school's thinking in all aspects. tell me where it is biblical to think the way they do?

[thepostman]

I don't think anybody here would argue that they are way out of line with what they do...at least I don't....a lot of it is parents as well...I knew this girl who was a great girl, we were friends and everything...her parents had been driving PCC into her head ever since she was old enough to remember anything and she had these ideas of what PCC was and is...I tend to be a bit opinionated and said some things against it and her reaction was shocking...she was so angry that I would even hint being against the school...this wasn't like her, and I was just blown away about how her parents brainwashed her into believing that PCC was this great place that all the good Christians need to go...sad really

[Libertine]

I'm kind of curious as to why this thread even exists on a Liberty board but, apparently, me and FSU-guy are the only ones on here with actual BJU experience. My father got his seminary degree and one of my older brother's got his bachelor's there. My parents really hoped I would go there (alumni kids got a fantastic tuition break) so I ended up visiting the campus several times -- nearly all of which were completely unnecessary since I knew very early on that I wasn't going there but that's beside the point. As a result, I got to know the place about as well as a non-student could and Parker's statement of the BJU environ being "authoritarian control for control's sake under the guise of religion" is completely inaccurate. BJ is BJ because the leadership of the university (BJ's I-IV) is under the mistaken belief that the best way to avoid sin and promote godliness is by removing all possibility of temptation from your life. It isn't about control, it's the Baptist equivalent of a co-ed nunnery. The kids that end up there are kids whose parents look at places like Texas and Santa Clara and JMU and freak out in the other direction. I certainly won't defend many of the school's policies, particularly when it comes to race and dating, interracial or not. They're flat wrong and that's a good bit of the reason I didn't go there but the BJU admin really does want what's best for the kids who go there. They're just going about it in a really unhelpful way.

[TIMSCAR20]

I am sorry to say that I am indirectly connected to BJU. Most of my teachers in the private school I attended from 3rd grade through 12th graduated from BJU. I disagree with them on many things though esp race and dating. We were encouraged to go there and steer clear of Liberty even though I knew about Liberty because they had their urban outreach ministry team come up to my school and use it as headquarters in May of every year when school let out. So we actually had college kids in our midst the last month of the year. I would have gone to Tennessee Temple if they were going to move to division 1 but I chose LU because they were making the move. BJU was not in the equation but a bunch of us did take a trip to SC our Junior year on their dime. It was a mix of black and white kids and we tried to flout every rule they had and generally make people gasp for the fun of it. None of us ended up going there or even considering it but spending those 5 days there was a real weird experience. I am not a big fan.

[Sly Fox]

"I want to be a clone ..." - Steve Taylor Circa 1983

I actually have been on campus several times and I've had plenty of good friends that went there over the years. Most of them came out completely different people but there were a few who didn't turn into clones as well.

The school actually is strong academically. But their social structure is where they have been over the top for a longtime.

And Lib, my grandfather received an honorary doctorate from BJU on the same stage with George Wallace (yeah, THAT George Wallace) over three decades ago. I think my grandfather tries to pretend that day never happened in regards to Wallace.

[4everfsu]

Some of the rules when I was at BJU were out of this world. For example you could only listen to their radio station, you could not listen to any worldly music like say "The Carpenter" Donnie and Marie, ok this is the early 70s. You could not listen to any gospel quartets at all no matter who they were. They thought the song " I fly away" was unchristian, I kid you not. It was not sound doctrine, we will not fly away according to their thinking.
This is what they thought about being a Christian and association with the world. 1st degree seperation, was you as a christian could not have fellowship with a non believer/sinner. 2nd degree was seperation was, if one of your christian friend had fellowship with a non believer/sinner you could not have fellowship with your christian friend.
Say you and a girl were walking to class or any building once you entered the building you both had to seperate and could not talk to each other in the building.
If you wanted to talk to you girl at night, you had to write here a note and have it delivered by a courier who made the round to pick up mail, of course before the internet time people.
If you told anyone you want to transfer to any school, christian or secular, oh my, they knew for a fact you were out of God's will.
I have read on here about students upset with the Liberty way, believe me, when I saw LBC on TV and attended LBC for the first time, I felt like I was born again. Be thankful you are at LU no matter how ridicule their rules may seem, it is nothing to BJ's.
Oh btw guys could not watch the girls play intramural basketball, lust factor would be in play. LOL, how I made it for a year, only God knows!
Has BJU changed since then, I doubt it

[Realist]

I grew up in Greenville for my high school years and that place was so strange. You always heard stories about what went on there (do they really have an arsenal?). My dad always used to joke that the only place with worse looking women than Furman was BJ.

I worked with one girl who went there, when I was a young chap of 15 at Winn Dixie. She seemed very nice, albeit she never really talked about the school. She also always had some creepy guy with a 50's type mustache pick her up from work, who I remembered her mentioning as her boyfriend. Maybe she was a renegade or something.

[kel varson]

BJU is a racist school, that i detest. i know some kids who after attending there were brainwashed into that school's thinking in all aspects. tell me where it is biblical to think the way they do?

They're not racist. You're uninformed.

[bigsmooth]

explain that kel. i have real experiences from friends of mine that went there, and they are not good

[kel varson]

I'm kind of curious as to why this thread even exists on a Liberty board but, apparently, me and FSU-guy are the only ones on here with actual BJU experience. My father got his seminary degree and one of my older brother's got his bachelor's there. My parents really hoped I would go there (alumni kids got a fantastic tuition break) so I ended up visiting the campus several times -- nearly all of which were completely unnecessary since I knew very early on that I wasn't going there but that's beside the point. As a result, I got to know the place about as well as a non-student could and Parker's statement of the BJU environ being "authoritarian control for control's sake under the guise of religion" is completely inaccurate. BJ is BJ because the leadership of the university (BJ's I-IV) is under the mistaken belief that the best way to avoid sin and promote godliness is by removing all possibility of temptation from your life. It isn't about control, it's the Baptist equivalent of a co-ed nunnery. The kids that end up there are kids whose parents look at places like Texas and Santa Clara and JMU and freak out in the other direction. I certainly won't defend many of the school's policies, particularly when it comes to race and dating, interracial or not. They're flat wrong and that's a good bit of the reason I didn't go there but the BJU admin really does want what's best for the kids who go there. They're just going about it in a really unhelpful way.

Please, temptation is everywhere. BJU is not removing it. If you don't like the rules than go somewhere else. I'm sure there are plenty of kids that have a great time there and would not be bothered by the rules...I went to Liberty...but BJU's rules wouldn't have bothered me in the least...PCC, now that's another story.