[TIMSCAR20]

I posted this on the other board when I was going through withdrawal like the rest of you.

Blair missed the scoring title by a tenth of a point. Holcome Faye wins scoring title. Can't wait to see who gets MVP. Here is my 1st team All Big South:

Torrell Martin Winthrop
Larry Blair Liberty
AZ Reid HPU
Jack Leasure Coastal
Whit Holcome Faye Radford

Second team:

James Shuler Winthrop
James Collins BSC
Chris Oliver Radford
Reggie Williams VMI
Craig Bradshaw Winthrop
Pele Paelay Coastal

POY Jack Leasure Coastal
Rookie of the year: Michael Ellis from UNCA.

All rookie team

Justin Dunn HPU
Travis Holmes VMI
Anthony Smith Liberty
Michael Ellis UNCA
Joseph Harris Coastal

Coach of the year: Buzz Petersen Coastal Carolina

[TIMSCAR20]

I noticed that I have 6 on my second team. I think either Bradshaw or Williams may need to come off. Not sure which though. Can't wait to see what really happens.

[Sly Fox]

Uh Scar, I'd lose the blue font.

I'm glad you went ahead and posted that over here. Rokamortis posted it on the CCU site to rave reviews. I'm guessing that has something to do with you giving Leasure the love.

While I agree with your mindset, based on how the vote went a year ago I'd be surprised to see Leasure win over both WHF & LB.

[SuperJon]

There's no way Larry Blair beats out Jack Leasure. Here'es exactly what I wrote over ther:

Jack's gotta have a good shot at Player of the Year. Larry Blair and Reggie Williams play for the 2 worst teams in the conference so they're automatcially out of the running. It's like when A-Rod played for the Rangers. There's no way a Player of the Year/MVP is going to be from a last placed team. That is not a knock on those players because they are obviously good.

I personally think it will come down to Holcomb-Faye and Jack. Jack holds the lead in assist, steals, and 3-points over Holcomb-Faye. The only thing Holcomb-Faye has over Jack is points.

I think Jack has to get it. I wasn't sure as I was going in to write this post but looking at the stats he has to get it.

[Sly Fox]

Just take a look at last year and I'll leave it at that.

[SuperJon]

Larry Blair is averaging 3.9 points more than Jack Leasure for the #8 team in the conference. It's much easier to score when you don't have other people able to. Leasure is also #2 in the league in assists and LB isn't in the top 5. I'm nto taking anything away from Blair, I just think it'll be a huge upset for him to win it, and the only people that think he will win it are on this board.

[Realist]

I don't think Blair will get it, but how can you say it's easier for him to score? It's tougher to score on a team that has limited options b/c they whole defensive gameplan is based around you. He has to take more shots, which leads to more scoring, but certainly not easier, Leasure has Paeley to keep the pressure off of him.

[Sly Fox]

I'm not arguing with who SHOULD win. I'm just pointing out the injustice a year ago and the grounds that were given for the Chant winning. If the same logic were applied then Leasure could got overlooked. Then again, it seems like only LU players tend to get jobbed in these deals in the Big South (yes, I'm bitter). So maybe Jack will get what he's arguably earned.

I think a look at the numbers provides solid arguments for any of five or six different players getting the honor.

[SuperJon]

I don't think Blair will get it, but how can you say it's easier for him to score? It's tougher to score on a team that has limited options b/c they whole defensive gameplan is based around you. He has to take more shots, which leads to more scoring, but certainly not easier, Leasure has Paeley to keep the pressure off of him.

I chose a bad word in easier but you got the point. He's forced to score more for his team to be competitive, kind of like Kobe.

[Hold My Own]

Sly there is no need to defend your argument that that is an injustice in the BS....only those truly ignorant believe that the BS treats LU like any other school

Glad to be back Sly, I caught myself staring at the error message for 3 hours.....yes i'm seeking help

I'm on step 6 (I think) and I need to say sorry to those I should....to all the haters out there, i'm sorry for dropping fact after fact that cannot be disputed

[fsn32]

Sly there is no need to defend your argument that that is an injustice in the BS....only those truly ignorant believe that the BS treats LU like any other school

Glad to be back Sly, I caught myself staring at the error message for 3 hours.....yes i'm seeking help

I'm on step 6 (I think) and I need to say sorry to those I should....to all the haters out there, i'm sorry for dropping fact after fact that cannot be disputed

In fairness to the BS... they don't have anything to do with the POY award... it's media and SID's... so that's who the bias would have to come from in this case.

[Rok]

Rokamortis posted it on the CCU site to rave reviews. I'm guessing that has something to do with you giving Leasure the love.

Rave reviews? No one even responded.

[Ed Dantes]

Here's the thing if Leasure wins -- it'll be like the fourth time in five years that a player from Coastal wins the POY. And yet, Coastal never makes a run in the Big South. Congrats on the 3 seed this year, but still: If they have all the best players in the league, year in and year out, shouldn't they be doing better?

Or maybe, Coastal's offensive system is designed so that one person becomes the center of it, and racks up the statistics. It's Leasure this year, Pealey last year, and Torrell Butler in years past. And the one thing they also all have in common -- I don't think anyone watched them play and said "Holy cow, this guy is the best player in the league"... or even, "man, this guy is *carrying* this team!"

(by the way, was anyone else's board down during the weekend?)

[WinthropEagleFan]

Here's my 'vote'..pretty similar to Scar's:

First Team:
Jack Leasure - CCU
Whit Holcomb-Faye - RU
Larry Blair - LU
James Shuler - WU
AZ Reid - HPU

Second Team:
James Collins - BSC
Chris Oliver - RU
Torrell Martin - WU
Pele Paelay - CCU
Craig Bradshaw - WU

(With apologies to Chris Moore from CSU and Reggie Williams from VMI who both deserve it, but there's just not enough room)

All-Freshman:
Michael Ellis - UNCA
Anthony Smith - LU
Joseph Harris - CCU
Justin Dunn - HPU
Travis Holmes - VMI

POY - Jack Leasure
COY - Duane Reboul
FOY - Joseph Harris

[SuperJon]

Congrats on the 3 seed this year, but still:

They're actually the #2 seed, one game behind Winthrop.


If everyone hates Coastal winning everything then why do the coaches and SIDs keep voting for them? There's no one to blame but the coaches and SIDs. There can't be a "bias" when it's each coach voting.

[Chris Lang]

And the winners are:

Whit Holcomb-Faye wins the scoring title yet is second team. Wow. I guess people didn't like his attitude:

All-academic team (3.0 played in 50 percent of teams games)
McMillan, BSC
Drafts, CSU
Leasure, CCU
Monroe, LU
Mohn, UNCA
Tadus, VMI
Scholar athlete of year – Leasure

All-freshman
Dunn, HPU
Smith, LU
T. Holmes, VMI
J. Harris, CCU
Ellis, UNCA

All-conference
2nd team
Williams, VMI
Paelay, CCU
Collins, BSC
Oliver, RU
Holcomb-Faye, RU

1st team
Shuler, WU
Martin, WU
Reid, HPU
Blair, LU
Leasure, CCU

FOY – Ellis, UNCA (winning by 2)
Def POY – Konare, HPU
Coach – Reboul, BSC
POY – Leasure, POY

[jcmanson]

Chris, do you know of a link for that info anywhere yet?

[Ed Dantes]

If everyone hates Coastal winning everything then why do the coaches and SIDs keep voting for them? There's no one to blame but the coaches and SIDs. There can't be a "bias" when it's each coach voting.

Well, if they were smart, or competent, they wouldn't be coaching / working for a Big South school.

There. I said it.

[Chris Lang]

Chris, do you know of a link for that info anywhere yet?

Not yet. It came straight off the Big South coaches conference call, so it's legit.

[jcmanson]

Ok, thanks Chris! Congratulations to Larry, Anthony, and Russ.

[LUconn]

whatever.

this is all that needs to be said http://www.flamefans.com/viewtopic.php?t=255

[Chris Lang]

You know, you can claim bias all you want, but the reality is that Larry could have averaged 30 a game and not gotten player of the year. His team was 3-13 and was run out of the gym by a number of Big South opponents. I voted for Leasure and I feel like he deserved it. He was the best player on the hottest team in the conference and helped his team win 10 straight to close the season.

[LUconn]

I fail to see what being the hottest team has to do with Player of the year. Are you saying that if we had another player on the team average 15 additional ppg (which would equate to probably 4 or 5 more wins in conference), that Larry would have won? That doesn't make any sense.

I'm not saying you can't make a case for Leasure being POY, obviously you can and he's a good candidate. To me, that reasoning doesn't hold any water based on last years outcome. That and WHF on 2nd team is silly.

[SuperJon]

It's the same reason that A-Rod never won the MVP with the Rangers and why Kobe won't win the MVP this year with the Lakers. You can't win MVP/POY on a last placed team (or close to it). It just doesn't happen. There's no Big South bias in this either. That's completely rediculous.

[Sly Fox]

SJ - You've got to understand how badly LB hasn't gotten jobbed the past couple of years. First in the Big South Tourney and then again last season when Pele won off a bottom-feeding team with poorer numbers than Larry. No one is arguing that Leasure isn't deserving. We're just noting how ridiculous the results have been in recent memory.

BTW congrats to Larry, Anthony & Russ.