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thepostman wrote: ↑June 30th, 2019, 1:55 pm Sly bomb?We’ve been “Sly-Pac’d”. A drive by info tease
tyndal23 wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 11:05 am From a pure football perspective - IF LU offered enough $ to get the all sport invite to AAC ( enough to make the presidents hold their nose and invite us in ) would you prefer that to Indy ? That would drop us down to 1 maybe 2 P5 games ( UVA/VT) a year. I think I would prefer that to current status - because there is at least a “path” to an 8 team playoff spot down the line and I don’t think we can recruit strong enough to win consistently against 4 P5 teams like we have scheduled. I still think we have much more upside as an Indy IF we embrace it all out and schedule like BYU does this year and get a couple of conferences to consider us a P5 equivalent for scheduling - AAC is still handcuffed on recruiting as a G5 - I believe LU could really out recruit any G5 if they were considered a P5 equivalent and have a much higher SOS, but would still be dealing with no 13th game data point. IF LU insists on only 4 p5 games a year as an Indy long term- then I think its a no brainer to take an AAC invite. I am all for whatever gets us there the quickest.What worries me is that being Indy, we not have a bowl tie in. In reality we might could go undefeated and not get an invite. In AAC, we'd get bowl tie ins.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 2:16 pmBecause of not having tie-ins, going undefeated and not getting a bowl bid is something that could happen in THEORY. In, REALITY, with the schedules we are playing, not a chance.tyndal23 wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 11:05 am From a pure football perspective - IF LU offered enough $ to get the all sport invite to AAC ( enough to make the presidents hold their nose and invite us in ) would you prefer that to Indy ? That would drop us down to 1 maybe 2 P5 games ( UVA/VT) a year. I think I would prefer that to current status - because there is at least a “path” to an 8 team playoff spot down the line and I don’t think we can recruit strong enough to win consistently against 4 P5 teams like we have scheduled. I still think we have much more upside as an Indy IF we embrace it all out and schedule like BYU does this year and get a couple of conferences to consider us a P5 equivalent for scheduling - AAC is still handcuffed on recruiting as a G5 - I believe LU could really out recruit any G5 if they were considered a P5 equivalent and have a much higher SOS, but would still be dealing with no 13th game data point. IF LU insists on only 4 p5 games a year as an Indy long term- then I think its a no brainer to take an AAC invite. I am all for whatever gets us there the quickest.What worries me is that being Indy, we not have a bowl tie in. In reality we might could go undefeated and not get an invite. In AAC, we'd get bowl tie ins.
Lion1983 wrote: ↑July 1st, 2019, 9:36 pm Wont really effect Liberty, but have heard that Ted Gumbart (ASUN commissioner) has been trying to work out a deal with possibly the Sun Belt to give a home to ASUN football schools that want to play FBS. Much like the ASUN/Big South deal.Update...
And I say Sun Belt, not because they have been mentioned, but because it's the only conference that would make sense.
And from what I hear, if FGCU and North Florida ever do start a football program, it will be for FBS only.
Sun Belt + KSU and UNA as football only members=12, add FGCU and UNF, 14 plus gets the Sun Belt into Florida for football.
At that point, (assuming Liberty is still in the ASun) Liberty can have a scheduling agreement with ASUN brethren.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑July 9th, 2019, 3:22 pm Ball coach is glad someone else feels the way he does about ODU, VCU, UNCC and Appy State.You say this like you’re the only one who feels that way. I do, for one. And plenty others too.
Those 4 schools have peaked in their athletic endeavors, and have zero room for growth to another level. From A to Z, LU has a better athletic program than all 4 of those combined. Most are a "one horse show".
Throw JMU in there also.
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑July 9th, 2019, 3:22 pm Ball coach is glad someone else feels the way he does about ODU, VCU, UNCC and Appy State.I may have an unpopular opinion, but all things considered, I think Liberty has more potential as an indy than join the AAC... it will not take long before more P5 schools are scheduling liberty home and home and you can dictate the other games...
Those 4 schools have peaked in their athletic endeavors, and have zero room for growth to another level. From A to Z, LU has a better athletic program than all 4 of those combined. Most are a "one horse show".
Throw JMU in there also.
tyndal23 wrote: ↑July 10th, 2019, 7:30 pm Don’t worry Lion - I caught all the heat early for that same position. LU potential as an Indy is significant if JR and Ian embrace it and insist on committing to scheduling that way - same $ you would spend on joining a G5 can be paid out per season to “overpay” 1 for 1 games for lower caliber P5 teams to come to the Burg. IF you can’t quite get there one year, throw out the 6th FCS home game and go play at Vanderbilt or Pitt if you insist on “regional” but either schedule like a P5 and recruit to that or drop 2 of the P5 games you wont win with G5 talent and go for a “cure bowl eligible” record. ( i.e. - 2021 schedule ). I completely give them a pass on scheduling first 5 years due to limitations based on teams booking so far out - but really,really,really want to see 1) announced 2) executedWhat? No game in Dallas in 2021?
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑July 11th, 2019, 3:20 pm The biggest advantage to joining a conference is a "bowl tie in". Other than that, it's probably better to stay independent, and schedule who you want.*can
ballcoach15 wrote: ↑July 18th, 2019, 8:22 pm AAC Commissioner said the conference isn't going to solicit new member to replace UCONN, but if anyone wants to join, they can call, and they will listen.The Big XII had no intention of expanding Texas before they added TCU.