[Class of 20Something]

I'm not making another thread for something this small. Watching Northwestern and Utah. The Utes reds look like our new ones and it reminded me how much I love them.

[alabama24]

How do you know they are the best? Oh wait, if they play in the SEC then they clearly are better than every other team in the nation because, yeah, they are the SEC. I forgot for a moment.

The SEC is the BEST conference in the country. To say otherwise is stupid. To say that all SEC teams are better than other schools is also stupid. There is good football elsewhere (see Clemson).

[alabama24]

How does the committee defend a 2-loss UGA over an undefeated ND?

I already told you, but you weren't listening.

Actually, I misremembered the rankings. I had thought that GA was ranked #3, but instead, they were ranked #4. I think GA should have been ranked higher going into the game, but that is beside the point. For the sake of this argument, imagine that GA was ranked #3, ND #4, and OK #5.

GA losing to BAMA in a close game is what SHOULD happen if the committee believed BAMA was #1 and GA was #3. That is the point of the rankings. The committee THINKS one team is better than another, and that more likely than not one team will beat the other. When what is expected happens, why should #3 go down in rank? You have to evaluate the game. Did something happen to cause you to believe the team wasn't the third best team? If so, take them down. Otherwise, they should stay where they were.

I think a strong case can be made that GA was the #3 team in the country. ND was ranked too high. I don't think Oklahoma was ranked too high... they deserved to be in the playoffs. The results of the two games confirmed what I believed.

[JK37]

You’re arguing that UGA was one of the four best teams. I completely agree.

I’m adding that the ultimate goal of the playoff is to tell us who the best team is, by deciding a national champion. UGA is Top 4, but just showed us they’re not #1 because they lost to another playoff team on a neutral field in December. The ultimate question is not, “Who are numbers 1-4?” The ultimate question is, “Who is #1?” And choosing the four for the playoff is what helps us answer that ultimate question.

We know UGA isn’t #1. But we didn’t know yet if Notre Dame or Oklahoma could be #1. Now we know Notre Dame isn’t. And we know Oklahoma isn’t. The winner on January 7 will be the undisputed champion.

Let’s just say hypothetically that UGA played and beat Clemson. Then beat Alabama in the championship game. Now we have a convoluted National Champion because #1 and #2 split barely a month apart.

UGA had their chance to pursue a National Championship. They lost their chance to continue that pursuit when they lost to Alabama. They’re probably still the 3rd best team in the land. But I already know they’re not #1. So I don’t need them in my playoff.

[alabama24]

You’re arguing that UGA was one of the four best teams. I completely agree.

I’m adding that the ultimate goal of the playoff is to tell us who the best team is, by deciding a national champion. UGA is Top 4, but just showed us they’re not #1 because they lost to another playoff team on a neutral field in December. The ultimate question is not, “Who are numbers 1-4?” The ultimate question is, “Who is #1?” And choosing the four for the playoff is what helps us answer that ultimate question.

We know UGA isn’t #1. But we didn’t know yet if Notre Dame or Oklahoma could be #1. Now we know Notre Dame isn’t. And we know Oklahoma isn’t. The winner on January 7 will be the undisputed champion.

Let’s just say hypothetically that UGA played and beat Notre Dame. Then beat Alabama in the championship game. Now we have a convoluted National Champion because #1 and #2 split barely a month apart.

UGA has their chance to pursue a National Championship. They lose their chance to continue that pursuit when they lost to Alabama. They’re probably still the 3rd best team in the land. But I already know they’re not #1. So I don’t need them in my playoff.

If this were the BCS, I would agree with you. It is not.

[JK37]

I don’t understand your point. Please expound.

[ballcoach15]

Truth be known, at start of season until now, Alabama and Clemson were best 2 teams in the nation, and EVERYONE else was playing for 3rd place.

[TH Spangler]

Truth be known, at start of season until now, Alabama and Clemson were best 2 teams in the nation, and EVERYONE else was playing for 3rd place.

UCF (12-0) has won 25 consecutive games #1 or #3?

[JK37]

UCF (12-0) has won 25 consecutive games

Against whom?

I feel UCF’s scheduling plight. But the fact remains they don’t play as tough a schedule as any of the teams in serious playoff consideration because of their conference. Oh well.

So let’s go to 8 and give them a spot? I’m 50/50 on this.

[ballcoach15]

At least UCF played in a conference and played in conference championship game. Norte Dame did not.

[Class of 20Something]

At least UCF played in a conference and played in conference championship game. Norte Dame did not.

It's like you try to lose credibility. Do you honestly think UCF played a tougher schedule than Notre Dame?

[thepostman]

I wish UCF was a bit more flexible on their stance on their anti 2 for 1 stance in regards to scheduling but at the same time they make a ton of money from 6 home games and they would like to continue making that money. They have built a fanbase and at the G5 level that isn't an easy thing to sustain. They have P5's at home and away on their schedule and maybe one of these years it will work out in their favor. Pitt was probably the best P5 team they played and the blew them out. I think the AAC is better than people give it credit for. Outside of Clemson, it is certainly a better overall football conference than the ACC. But the experts will never see it that way because of the money involved in P5 athletics.

Anyways, I get why UCF wasnt included but I do think their style leads to them competing strongly with top tier P5 competition. It'll be interesting to see how things go against LSU this afternoon.

[alabama24]

I don’t understand your point. Please expound.

Simple. With the BCS, there were two slots. There was a demand to allow more teams a shot. OK. GA should have been one of those teams. With the old system, GA should not have been playing for the national championship. With the four team playoff, they should have had a shot.

[Purple Haize]

I’m not sure I’m a fan of the CFP games before the New Years Day bowl games. These games don’t hold as much interest to me. Last years national champion UCF is interesting without their QB and UGA but that about it

[thepostman]

That pick 6 with the great block on the QB was fantastic.

[Purple Haize]

That pick 6 with the great block on the QB was fantastic.

I’m enjoying watching the Mountaineers future coach take it to LSU

[thepostman]

Why would he downgrade like that

Anybody who watches this UCF team and doesn't see high level P5 talent is either blind or lying to themselves.

So much better than those 2 semis for sure.

[Purple Haize]

Why would he downgrade like that

Anybody who watches this UCF team and doesn't see high level P5 talent is either blind or lying to themselves.

So much better than those 2 semis for sure.

Based on the last couple of drives Heupel defense would fit right in at WVU and the Big 12

[thepostman]

Their defense always sucks in the 1st half. It has almost all year.

It'll be interesting to see if they can turn it around in the 2nd half. The offense has to start moving the ball. That would help.

[JK37]

I don’t understand your point. Please expound.

Simple. With the BCS, there were two slots. There was a demand to allow more teams a shot. OK. GA should have been one of those teams. With the old system, GA should not have been playing for the national championship. With the four team playoff, they should have had a shot.

“Should have been one of those teams” - based on what?

ND’s result vs. Clemson? Can’t do that, because they hadn’t played yet when selection was made.

Eye test? Yeah, they looked Top 4 to me, too. But they lost. Twice. Meanwhile, ND is undefeated, and I really don’t know yet how good they are. I needed to see them in the playoff to know for sure.

Deserving? ND was undefeated against a schedule that was good enough. (UCF’s wasn’t good enough.) So they were just as deserving at UGA, if not more so. Georgia has lost twice.

Georgia had their shot. They lost twice. If you let them in and not ND, everyone is still left wondering “what if” about ND. The four-team playoff is a tool, not the finished product. It’s a stop along the journey, not the final destination. College football needs an undisputed National Champion. THAT (and $$$) is why we went from BCS to four-team playoff.

And that (and $$$) is why we will also see an eight-team playoff soon, I believe. Your argument is a good one for an eight-team playoff I think. But if I can only have four teams, I want ND over UGA. So that whoever wins that four-team playoff is undoubtedly the national champion.

You didn’t answer my hypothetical, so I’ll ask again: If UGA got in over ND, then defeated Clemson and Alabama while ND defeated LSU in a New Year’s bowl — there would still be debate about who was best. Right? That’s why ND needed to be in. Before the playoff, UGA looked better than ND to many, but the only way to prove it (without them going head-to-head) was to put ND in.

[CCWMichael]

My rail ... the pile tackle.
this occurs all over the NCAA and I see it all to much at LU.
FC, UC what ever F has running back held up top, three tacklers come in to hug him around the waist .. in comes home support and running back gets another chunk of yards.
Teach to get the fudgin legs ... one player drops and gets the legs he may fall forward for two at worst.
I hope we teach this year when a man is up target the LEGS!
No motor no go.

[alabama24]

“Should have been one of those teams” - based on what?

ND’s result vs. Clemson? Can’t do that, because they hadn’t played yet when selection was made.

Eye test? Yeah, they looked Top 4 to me, too. But they lost. Twice. Meanwhile, ND is undefeated, and I really don’t know yet how good they are. I needed to see them in the playoff to know for sure.

I'm sorry that you can't follow an argument. Next!

[Purple Haize]

Small World:

Neal Brown Of Troy is the leading candidate at WVU

[flamehunter]

Small World:

Neal Brown Of Troy is the leading candidate at WVU

I called it first a couple weeks ago in a phone conversation with an acquaintance. That's my story and I'm sticking to it.

[thepostman]

I called it a week before any of you guys no matter what you say