[flameshaw]

I think you underestimate the comfort he has to be himself at Liberry. This is the perfect job for him. I don’t see any way he leaves for another job any time soon.

Oh not at all. That's why I think the only thing that pulls him away is job security. I just don't understand the blind hatred(not by you) that some have that think he is unemployable elsewhere. I think there will be a market. It's not Urban Meyer's market, but it is a market.

I think, public or not, HCTG will field more than one external offer. That doesn't mean he takes it, but I just believe he gets a call.

Unemployable elsewhere = blind hatred? That is pretty funny. No one said he is unemployable, maybe just questioned at what level he might be employable. Yuuuuuuuge difference. Besides, if you are alluding to my post, I have said MANY times he is a great man and I hope they find a place for him at the university. I think he is a wonderful fit for the university, just not as head football coach.
Not sure why some can't understand that because one expresses an opinion about job performance, it is automatically personal or hateful. It is purely 100% bidness.

[Purple Haize]

I think you underestimate the comfort he has to be himself at Liberry. This is the perfect job for him. I don’t see any way he leaves for another job any time soon.

I asked the question earlier and agree with your answer. Why would Gill leave?

[Class of 20Something]

I don't see him getting a chance at a FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent.

Can you please expound on how this is different from saying he is unemployable elsewhere?

[Jonathan Carone]

I think you underestimate the comfort he has to be himself at Liberry. This is the perfect job for him. I don’t see any way he leaves for another job any time soon.

I asked the question earlier and agree with your answer. Why would Gill leave?

And 24 hours before you asked the question, I answered why he wouldn't. Haha.

[Purple Haize]

I think you underestimate the comfort he has to be himself at Liberry. This is the perfect job for him. I don’t see any way he leaves for another job any time soon.

I asked the question earlier and agree with your answer. Why would Gill leave?

And 24 hours before you asked the question, I answered why he wouldn't. Haha.

Oh I know. But if you scroll back a few pages I think I asked the question before. I’m just asking it again since you’re the only one answering. Ha.

[Purple Haize]

I don't see him getting a chance at a FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent.

Can you please expound on how this is different from saying he is unemployable elsewhere?

He just has no respect for Gill. He also said he doesn’t deserve a second chance coaching again. His hate and contempt for Gill has blinded him to all logic.

[flameshaw]

I don't see him getting a chance at a FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent.

Can you please expound on how this is different from saying he is unemployable elsewhere?

He just has no respect for Gill. He also said he doesn’t deserve a second chance coaching again. His hate and contempt for Gill has blinded him to all logic.

And not surprisingly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Read my actual posts, not what you think they say, what they actually say. Your three sentence response above, could not be more wrong, there is not an ounce of truth in it. You don't have to take my word for it, just read my previous posts. Your ignorance of the above, is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge of sports in general and football specifically. Carry on my friend. lol

[flameshaw]

I don't see him getting a chance at a FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent.

Can you please expound on how this is different from saying he is unemployable elsewhere?

I will type real slow so maybe you can get it this time. It is a matter of level of employment, not being totally unemployable.
Maybe this will make it easier for you. IMHO, He is unemployable as a CEO (let's call that FBS), however he would probably be a very employable as a good entry level manager (we will call that a low-level FCS). Does that help any? If not, please let me know, I will get my 5 year old grandson to explain it to you. Hope you are not typical of the the type of students we are graduating at LU nowadays. Thanks for playing.

[A Sea of Red]

I just happened to be reading this game preview for tomorrow’s game and caught this statement which is pertinent to this discussion:

“If head coach Turner Gill, who also lifted the Buffalo football program a decade ago, stays for the long haul, Liberty will be a force to reckon with in the near future.”

https://www.underdogdynasty.com/2018/11 ... ce=twitter

Just gives an idea as to what some of the mainstream public/media thinks of Gill

[FlamesHighontheTide]

I have enjoyed reading those articles on UnderdogDynasty as they have covered LU football with fairness.

I am looking forward to flameshaw's response to this article.

Is there even a remote possibility that he would ever change his mind about HCTG

[Jonathan Carone]

People have said those things about Gill for the last 4-5 years. He has a great reputation and that’s what most writers know about.

[Purple Haize]

And not surprisingly, you have no idea what you are talking about. Read my actual posts, not what you think they say, what they actually say. Your three sentence response above, could not be more wrong, there is not an ounce of truth in it. You don't have to take my word for it, just read my previous posts. Your ignorance of the above, is only surpassed by your lack of knowledge of sports in general and football specifically. Carry on my friend. lol

1 I’m not your friend.
2 I don’t usually respond to you because you are both full of hate and crap. But this was too easy. You are so full of yourself and blind with rage you cannot even remember what you’ve written. These are quotes from just the last 3-4 pages. Your last quote oozes nothing but respect for Turner Gill obviously.

I would say that regardless of his final record this year, he doesn't deserve another chance

I don't see him getting a chance at a FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent.


Does anyone know if TG dressed up as a football coach for Halloween last night? (Wow, I’m chocked up with the respect in this quote)



To be fair you also said this. So I’m not sure what the voices in your head are telling you. Because the answer is.......you did.

No one said he is unemployable

[cruzan_flame13]

I don’t know how that is evidence that Flaneshaw hatesthe guy because he is stating that Gill is underperforming with the salary that he is receiving. You may not agree with what he’s saying, but don’t exaggerate what he’s saying. Now if he was saying that he hates everything about Gill especially as a person, then I can agree with you. All I see is flameshaw stating that Gill should not be the head coach for LU any longer based on no consistent progress in his time here. We need to calm down on this topic and not put feelings into this; this means all of us on here.

[TH Spangler]

Bad mouthing a gentleman like Gill at this point in the season (4 wins) tells me its personal, has nothing to do with his coaching.

[Purple Haize]

I don’t know how that is evidence that Flaneshaw hatesthe guy because he is stating that Gill is underperforming with the salary that he is receiving. You may not agree with what he’s saying, but don’t exaggerate what he’s saying. Now if he was saying that he hates everything about Gill especially as a person, then I can agree with you. All I see is flameshaw stating that Gill should not be the head coach for LU any longer based on no consistent progress in his time here. We need to calm down on this topic and not put feelings into this; this means all of us on here.

“I don’t see him getting a chance at an FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent”. That sort of expands beyond LU dontcha think?

[cruzan_flame13]

I don’t know how that is evidence that Flaneshaw hatesthe guy because he is stating that Gill is underperforming with the salary that he is receiving. You may not agree with what he’s saying, but don’t exaggerate what he’s saying. Now if he was saying that he hates everything about Gill especially as a person, then I can agree with you. All I see is flameshaw stating that Gill should not be the head coach for LU any longer based on no consistent progress in his time here. We need to calm down on this topic and not put feelings into this; this means all of us on here.

“I don’t see him getting a chance at an FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent”. That sort of expands beyond LU dontcha think?

I’m not going to make an assumption on that statement. He will need to explain what he meant by ‘Super Agent.’ That statement can go a few ways although the fact that the first letters does direct it to the obvious. Again, that could be wrong. As he stated before, he discuss Gill’s overall performance and not go personal. Not going to say he’s lying or not.

[Purple Haize]

I don’t know how that is evidence that Flaneshaw hatesthe guy because he is stating that Gill is underperforming with the salary that he is receiving. You may not agree with what he’s saying, but don’t exaggerate what he’s saying. Now if he was saying that he hates everything about Gill especially as a person, then I can agree with you. All I see is flameshaw stating that Gill should not be the head coach for LU any longer based on no consistent progress in his time here. We need to calm down on this topic and not put feelings into this; this means all of us on here.

“I don’t see him getting a chance at an FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent”. That sort of expands beyond LU dontcha think?

I’m not going to make an assumption on that statement. He will need to explain what he meant by ‘Super Agent.’ That statement can go a few ways although the fact that the first letters does direct it to the obvious. Again, that could be wrong. As he stated before, he discuss Gill’s overall performance and not go personal. Not going to say he’s lying or not.

How about the first half of the statement? He’s not just saying LU there is he?

[cruzan_flame13]

Bad mouthing a gentleman like Gill at this point in the season (4 wins) tells me its personal, has nothing to do with his coaching.

Would that mean that I’m going personal when I make my statements? Sure 4 wins seem great so far, but I’ve seen something like this before. I will continue to state that Gill has been mediocre overall and I don’t see him doing any better for us long term.

[cruzan_flame13]

PH do you mind sending me the quote in which you are referring to? What I’ve been looking at may not be what you’re pointing out.

[Purple Haize]

I don’t know how that is evidence that Flaneshaw hatesthe guy because he is stating that Gill is underperforming with the salary that he is receiving. You may not agree with what he’s saying, but don’t exaggerate what he’s saying. Now if he was saying that he hates everything about Gill especially as a person, then I can agree with you. All I see is flameshaw stating that Gill should not be the head coach for LU any longer based on no consistent progress in his time here. We need to calm down on this topic and not put feelings into this; this means all of us on here.

“I don’t see him getting a chance at an FBS gig anywhere, even with Super Agent”. That sort of expands beyond LU dontcha think?

You could have scrolled up but I aim to please

The part prior to .....Super Agent refers to all of FBS not just LU

[cruzan_flame13]

I figured you meant something from something before that, my mistake. If that’s what he means, so what? If that’s the case, then he’s making a statement that Gill is not a good coach for the FBS level and should go back to FCS, D2,D3, etc. That doesn’t mean he’s going personal. Now if he was talking about his family or anything out of football, then I can see where you’re coming from. Saying that Gill is not a great FBS coach doesn’t mean one is attacking his character(which he has stated a few times that he’s not). Am I not seeing something? Is there a subliminal message that I need to read between the lines? Or are folks on here who love Gill that much is taking this personally? If that’s the case, that’s fine, but don’t accuse a person for going personal when he’s just discussing performance on the football side.

[Purple Haize]

I figured you meant something from something before that, my mistake. If that’s what he means, so what? If that’s the case, then he’s making a statement that Gill is not a good coach for the FBS level and should go back to FCS, D2,D3, etc. That doesn’t mean he’s going personal. Now if he was talking about his family or anything out of football, then I can see where you’re coming from. Saying that Gill is not a great FBS coach doesn’t mean one is attacking his character(which he has stated a few times that he’s not). Am I not seeing something? Is there a subliminal message that I need to read between the lines? Or are folks on here who love Gill that much is taking this personally? If that’s the case, that’s fine, but don’t accuse a person for going personal when he’s just discussing performance on the football side.

You are conflating two issues. That quote had to do with him and coaching

This quote is very disrespectful and personal.
Does anyone know if TG dressed up as a football coach for Halloween last night?

[flameshaw]

I figured you meant something from something before that, my mistake. If that’s what he means, so what? If that’s the case, then he’s making a statement that Gill is not a good coach for the FBS level and should go back to FCS, D2,D3, etc. That doesn’t mean he’s going personal. Now if he was talking about his family or anything out of football, then I can see where you’re coming from. Saying that Gill is not a great FBS coach doesn’t mean one is attacking his character(which he has stated a few times that he’s not). Am I not seeing something? Is there a subliminal message that I need to read between the lines? Or are folks on here who love Gill that much is taking this personally? If that’s the case, that’s fine, but don’t accuse a person for going personal when he’s just discussing performance on the football side.

You are conflating two issues. That quote had to do with him and coaching

This quote is very disrespectful and personal.
Does anyone know if TG dressed up as a football coach for Halloween last night?

Thanks for proving my point. I see you forgot to mention where I said he was a great man, one of integrity, that I hope the university can find a place for him to be productive and at least 100 other things that were positive about him personally. I don't ever remember saying anything hateful or disrespectful about the man. You only see what you want to see. As cruzan flame13 suggested, (he understands my position completely), you must be reading something between the lines that isn't there, or maybe the person who is reading it to you, is not reading it verbatim.
Of all people on this board, with your very poor attempts to bring some humor/levity here, it is hilarious for you to go all snowflake on us and say that a statement- meant to be funny - was disrespectful. Sorry if it hurt your feelings. Maybe you should get your sarcasm meter repaired, or buy a new one. sheeeesh. I don't dislike or hate anyone in this world that I know of, I don't have time for it really.
Just to show my sincerity, next time I am in L'burg, I will be happy to buy you a beer or some milk to put in your sippy cup, your choice. Who could turn that down? Love ya, mean it.

[thepostman]

Nobody said you dont respect him so a man but its pretty clear you have zero respect for him as a coach.

I've thought LU should have cut ties with Gill for years but at least I can give him credit and understand why he is probably staying out for the time being.

[Just John]

Bad mouthing a gentleman like Gill at this point in the season (4 wins) tells me its personal, has nothing to do with his coaching.

Flameshaw has often said what a good person Gill is. But this is a sports board and not the People Magazine message board so by nature we tend to talk sports abilities more than personalities.