[paradox]

especially with Martin and Bradshaw graduating from WU, and if Marshall wins in the NCAA's, he may move on as well.

So, if the outlook going into next season is promising, then I'm inclined to think that he stays.

Marshall ain't going anywhere, just ask College of Charleston. There's no way that he would leave, just as there is no way that any team will hire him after last year's debacle.

I totally agree. Marshall's got a lot of pressure on him this year to win at least one game in the NCAA's, and if he doesn't get to the sweet sixteen, then he stays in Rock Hill.

[paradox]

Dunton has proven that he can rebuild a team because he did it back in '04; Dunton has proven that he can win the Big South tournament because he did it back in '04.

By that logic, I have proven I could be 30 pounds lighter, have a girlfriend, and play in a band because back in 04, I was doing all of that. I haven't done any of it sense.

We'll, if you were 30lbs lighter, had a girlfriend, and played in a band, you would probally be a little more balanced in life and not nearly as fixated on sports and on the firing of a certain coach.

It's cute that when some of you guys don't like what someone has said and you fear that he may have a point, you appeal to logic as if it is somehow on your side but not on the side of whomever you disagree with. I seem to remember Richard Dawkins doing a bit of that back in October over at Randy Mac.

Dunton's fate may very well be determined more by what he achieved in '04 and how things look going into '07, then by the shortcomings of the last year and a half. You can certainly disagree and offer a counter argument, but if you honestly think that what I stated is somehow irrational, then you make yourself look as trivial as Dawkins.

[Schfourteenteen]

Im not sure how much positive weight the 04 success should be given (I hold this view mainly bc I am skeptical of Dunton). A team that won its conference and appeared in the tournament is now on the verge of being the worst team in one of the weakest conferences in D-I. You cant argue the direction this team has gone in, and even though things look a little better for next year we all said that last year and look at what we have. Maybe they should cut Anthony Smith because he doesnt always bring his A Game.

[A.G.]

Dunton's fate may very well be determined more by what he achieved in '04 and how things look going into '07, then by the shortcomings of the last year and a half.

THAT is exactly what scares us. But remember, it did not save JM and he had a much better recent track record than RD. Of course, he had things going on behind the scenes (and perhaps his back), as well.

[jmdickens]

It's cute that when some of you guys don't like what someone has said and you fear that he may have a point, you appeal to logic as if it is somehow on your side but not on the side of whomever you disagree with. I seem to remember Richard Dawkins doing a bit of that back in October over at Randy Mac.

OX, once again you have failed to include logic as well as facts to make a valid point in any of your posts.....I think the reason why you're sticking with Dunton is why Dunton has not resigned......you are just too prideful to admit you are a failure and you were never right in anything you said or did......call it cute if you want, but everyone else will call it truth.

[paradox]

Flameshaw:

Your opportunity to regard the Reeves notion as absurd expired when you posted your orginal reponse to it and failed to even slightly hint of any disagreement there.

Suddenly, I understand your obscession with the word "backpeddling". Sounds like a personal problem that hits a little too close to home for ya.

I'm still trying to get the volleyball one though? I'd imagine, at least in your mind, it has something to do with your superior unbiased knowledge of sports management in general or perhaps materials management in particular. Maybe you'll even be included on the search commitee for a new coach!

Good stuff, man. Keep it coming. This is fun.

[A.G.]

As much as he is about the only one left on the Dunton train, Paradox may well be right in his assessment. 2004 will weigh very heavily on the Man who has the FINAL word. In fact, it is the first logical thing P-dox has said in the entire debate.

[paradox]

Im not sure how much positive weight the 04 success should be given (I hold this view mainly bc I am skeptical of Dunton). A team that won its conference and appeared in the tournament is now on the verge of being the worst team in one of the weakest conferences in D-I. You cant argue the direction this team has gone in, and even though things look a little better for next year we all said that last year and look at what we have. Maybe they should cut Anthony Smith because he doesnt always bring his A Game.

Well, the fans may have expected a worst to first scenario, but the adminstration may have been looking toward '07 all along.

[paradox]

It's cute that when some of you guys don't like what someone has said and you fear that he may have a point, you appeal to logic as if it is somehow on your side but not on the side of whomever you disagree with. I seem to remember Richard Dawkins doing a bit of that back in October over at Randy Mac.

OX, once again you have failed to include logic as well as facts to make a valid point in any of your posts.....I think the reason why you're sticking with Dunton is why Dunton has not resigned......you are just too prideful to admit you are a failure and you were never right in anything you said or did......call it cute if you want, but everyone else will call it truth.

Dickens:

You're in no position to lecture anyone on logic. You're an emotional wreck over this thing and have some deep-seated issues regarding a particlar coach and a particular player.

[paradox]

Well, I'll check with you guys later.

[jmdickens]

umm....once again.....I am right and you are wrong....everyone knows it OX, you don't have to say anything

[paradox]

Son, the world my not be as black and white as you've imagined it to be.

Also, I sense that you're gloating now because you feel that Dunton is in dire jeopardy, but you really don't know what's going on behind the scenes with the AD and Chancellor.

I am fairly certain of one thing though: If the Chancellor and the AD like LU's chances going into next year, then they'll retain RD another year. They won't let him go as some sort of punishment for disapointing a few trekians on a message board.

[A.G.]

I am fairly certain of one thing though: If the Chancellor and the AD like LU's chances going into next year, then they'll retain RD another year. They won't let him go as some sort of punishment for disapointing a few trekians on a message board.

Again. Very perceptive. And scares the out of me.

[SuperJon]

Dunton has only won 13 road games in his career as head coach at Liberty.

02-03: New Hampshire, Coastal, Elon

03-04: HPU, CSU, HPU, UNCA, Winthrop

04-05: Marist, Coastal, CSU, Birmingham Southern, UNCA (February 24, last road win)

[Thelaxman]

I think you guys are all out of control. This hate on for Dunton is not going to help the program. What will help is for you to continue to support this Team no matter what! Fair weather means you change by the hour and complain too much. What you need to do is change your attitude a bit and just support the team. If Dunton's time is up and he is such a jerk as you say and sucks so bad he will get the boot. If Jerry and the AD still believe in the guy then we all should just shut up and support the Team.

Granted I don't coach Basketball in the NCAA D1 but I can tell you a few things about coaching that you are in the dark about. Building a great team takes time and hard work and is not something that is done overnight and at the d1 level that Dunton coaches it is a huge undertaking. I believe we really need to be careful how we judge this guy before we start throwing the stones at him.

I'm out, good luck guys,

Thelaxman
http://unm.ialax.com/

[A.G.]

What about his interim year? Does the 13 count true road games or the nuetral sites, too?

[ATrain]

I think we are supporting the team...we're saying the talent we have deserves a better coach.

[Thelaxman]

Well, they should have thought of that when they ran Meyer out of Town several years ago. The real truth is there has not been anything to talk about since he was at the helm. Poor decisions at the top again. But I am slow to judge anyone that coaches on any level of College Athletics.

Thelaxman
http://unm.ialax.com/

[SuperJon]

laxman, I still support my fellow classmates. I don't support the coach.


That record does not count his interim year and are just true road games, not neutral sites.

97-98: Florida A&M, UVA, Winthrop, Coastal, Belmont

He's won two games on a Neutral Site:
2002-2003: W&M, Canisius,

[A.G.]

So, 18 road wins in 6 years. That averages out to three per year, by my math. Heck, if that's not a good enough reason to keep him, then I don't know what is.

[SuperJon]

Call me Stat Boy.

[SuperJon]

Winthrop has won more road games during our losing streak than Dunton has his entire time here.

[Schfourteenteen]

Im not sure how much positive weight the 04 success should be given (I hold this view mainly bc I am skeptical of Dunton). A team that won its conference and appeared in the tournament is now on the verge of being the worst team in one of the weakest conferences in D-I. You cant argue the direction this team has gone in, and even though things look a little better for next year we all said that last year and look at what we have. Maybe they should cut Anthony Smith because he doesnt always bring his A Game.

Well, the fans may have expected a worst to first scenario, but the adminstration may have been looking toward '07 all along.

Im pretty sure that administration in 2004 did not expect to be in this pit hole were in now, what makes you think '07 is going to be that much better? Sure we will have talent, but the intensity Liberty Basketball brings to the table is worse than when my mom used ketchup as spaghetti sauce. We come out flat, dig a 6 ft hole and make an attempt to get out. It doesnt work.
Nor has it on the road for a year and a half.

Since we need to be making the case for Dunton in this topic, not cross examining everything, he has implemented faith in the furnace, and even talks about it during convo.

[SuperJon]

For those that keep saying Dunton will turn it around:

In Marshall's first year at WU, where he inherited a team that had 8 straight losing seasons (both overall record and conference record), he won 6 road games that first year. Dunton has yet to do that.

[paradox]

The last time I checked, the last coach who won the Big South, who is not named Gregg Marshall, is actually RANDY DUNTON. Imagine that.