[Purple Haize]

If we can steadily improve each year on the field and in recruiting I will be happy. How that will look on the record end of things.

2018 - 4 to 6 wins = success
2019 - 4 to 7 wins = success
- With the way some of these teams are playing on our 2019 schedule, it wouldn't surprise me if we were bowl eligible and got an invite. This will depend on who we hire though.
2020 - 5 to 7 wins = success
2021 - 6 to 8 wins & bowl = success
2022 - 6 to 8 wins & bowl = success

ALOT to look forward to with this transition.

I think this is a very fair outlook.

But where is the improvement year in year out? Seems like 6 wins every year would qualify

[flamehunter]

As for the topic at hand, I would hope for a bowl bid by year four to be considered a success. Also at least one more P5 win by year 5.

[Class of 20Something]

If we can steadily improve each year on the field and in recruiting I will be happy. How that will look on the record end of things.

2018 - 4 to 6 wins = success
2019 - 4 to 7 wins = success
- With the way some of these teams are playing on our 2019 schedule, it wouldn't surprise me if we were bowl eligible and got an invite. This will depend on who we hire though.
2020 - 5 to 7 wins = success
2021 - 6 to 8 wins & bowl = success
2022 - 6 to 8 wins & bowl = success

ALOT to look forward to with this transition.

I think this is a very fair outlook.

But where is the improvement year in year out? Seems like 6 wins every year would qualify

I don't think we need to be the the 8-10 win range in the five year plan. Past that sure. But it's going to take all of 5 years to get a full roster of FBS recruits. By 2022 recruiting should be top tier G5. Pushing Bosie St recruiting levels soon thereafter. Sure, Liberty turns off some recruits with the rules, but as exposure expands, we will have access to more "Liberty" guys.

[flameshaw]

A good halftime band performance.

[Jonathan Carone]

If we can steadily improve each year on the field and in recruiting I will be happy. How that will look on the record end of things.

2018 - 4 to 6 wins = success
2019 - 4 to 7 wins = success
- With the way some of these teams are playing on our 2019 schedule, it wouldn't surprise me if we were bowl eligible and got an invite. This will depend on who we hire though.
2020 - 5 to 7 wins = success
2021 - 6 to 8 wins & bowl = success
2022 - 6 to 8 wins & bowl = success

ALOT to look forward to with this transition.

I think this is a very fair outlook.

But where is the improvement year in year out? Seems like 6 wins every year would qualify

Just like where Gill can be judged by how we win/lose, I think the next guy will as well. 6-6 or 7-5 can look a lot different year to year.

[CCWMichael]

NEW COACH dependent this is where we should be.
First two years will be a struggle. I want 6 wins - even 4 --- realisticly 3 wins year one and 5 wins year two and an new coach bringing in talent.
Next three years 6, 7, and 7 or 8 wins with bowl games and LU beginning to gain recognition.

Current coach ... No salt on the wound today.

[Ewglenn]

Are you all looking at the teams that are scheduled in year three? It will be much easier in year one or two to get to six wins.

[Purple Haize]

Let us not forget: coaches like to go where they have a chance at winning. Going .500 every year isn’t an attractive proposition to the vast majority of young coaches

[Jonathan Carone]

Let us not forget: coaches like to go where they have a chance at winning. Going .500 every year isn’t an attractive proposition to the vast majority of young coaches

That’s part of the reason I started this thread. If we can all agree going .500 is success for the next five years then you can all but rule out a hot young coach regardless how much we can pay.

[R i]

regardless how much we can pay.

Money always talks.

[Purple Haize]

regardless how much we can pay.

Money always talks.

Doesn’t mean people always listen. I’ve turned down opportunities for jobs with more money because they were either No Win Situations or it wasn’t worth leaving what I had. If I was just starting out and on the fast track in coaching, a school that is Independent and has realistic opportunities of finishing.500 at best with no Bowl tie in and no Conference affiliation would certainly not be my first choice. Especially when I could wait a year or two and have a school with all of those things and equal or greater pay check

[Jonathan Carone]

regardless how much we can pay.

Money always talks.

Not always. Most young coaches who think they can reach the P5 level aren't going to potentially wreck their future for extra money. Someone who's wanted to be a head coach for a long time but never gotten the opportunity is more likely to take the risk as their shot than someone young looking for their first job.

Also - and this isn't a knock at you individually - but I've heard a lot of athletes or very wealthy people say that you reach a point monetarily where it's less about how much you make and more about how much success you can have. Those of us who couldn't fathom making hundreds of thousands of dollars feel like money always talks but those guys already have really good lives where they are as assistants/coordinators and are likely looking for success/quality of life more than a bigger paycheck.

[R i]

If we are talking a couple hundred thousand I agree. If we are talking a couple million, and the chance to set your family up for success into the future, we can get our guy. That young hungry coach would not risk passing up multi millions to prove himself. If he were to flop and never get that big pay day, it would be a disaster.

I agree with both of the sentiments, but when you look at young and hungry coaches, we are talking about 300,000 a year on a year to year basis, or multi millions on a long term basis. We could get our guy every time if those were the numbers involved.

[Jonathan Carone]

You're thinking we're going to be paying a lot more for our next coach than I am. I don't see us paying multi-million yearly. That would be insane.

Which is why we'll probably do it.

But McCaw isn't that reckless.

But it may not be his call.

It's all a crapshoot.

[R i]

Example for discussion. Mike Houston is a name being discussed as hot young coach.

Current Salary : 375,000

Top G5 salaries by conference :
AAC : 2 Million
Conference USA : 1.3 Million
Independent : 1.6 Million
MAC : 800,000
Mt West : 1.5 Million
Sun Belt : 1.1 Million

After looking at some of these numbers, I have taken back my thoughts on money buying us a coach. The amount that we will likely offer is not going to be significant enough of a difference from what Mike Houston could make at a top paying G5. I was thinking it would be a decision between 500,000 at a G5 and 1.5 at LU.

[R i]

ND only pays 1.6. Must be an incentive laden contract.

Also, I think LU pays 1.5 per season going forward.

[Purple Haize]

ND only pays 1.6. Must be an incentive laden contract.

Also, I think LU pays 1.5 per season going forward.

I can see LU going a million to a million plus a year. But that still doesn't eliminate the wilderness that LU will be in on the field. If I can make $1.5 at LU or $1.5 at say USF or Houston which would be a better gig? Houston was in the NC discussion a few years ago. USF has a Conference affiliation, great place to recruit and multiple Bowl Tie ins.
But this is another reason IM is making the big bucks in his reclamation project

[R i]

It will be interesting to see how many Million Dollar G5 openings there are in December.

[olldflame]

Something that IMHO has been overlooked both here and in the "next coach" thread is the possibility that there are coaches out there who actually might want to come to Liberty as opposed to other opportunities that you can argue are better BECAUSE of the mission of the school and not in spite of it. Think in terms of a football equivalent to Ritchie McKay, who left a job working for a close friend as Associate HC at a winning ACC program to come back to the mountain. I'm just enough of a dreamer to believe he is out there.

[Jonathan Carone]

Something that IMHO has been overlooked both here and in the "next coach" thread is the possibility that there are coaches out there who actually might want to come to Liberty as opposed to other opportunities that you can argue are better BECAUSE of the mission of the school and not in spite of it. Think in terms of a football equivalent to Ritchie McKay, who left a job working for a close friend as Associate HC at a winning ACC program to come back to the mountain. I'm just enough of a dreamer to believe he is out there.

This is definitely a fair point of view. I’d be more in line to seeing it as a possibility if we were already through the transition.

[olldflame]

Something that IMHO has been overlooked both here and in the "next coach" thread is the possibility that there are coaches out there who actually might want to come to Liberty as opposed to other opportunities that you can argue are better BECAUSE of the mission of the school and not in spite of it. Think in terms of a football equivalent to Ritchie McKay, who left a job working for a close friend as Associate HC at a winning ACC program to come back to the mountain. I'm just enough of a dreamer to believe he is out there.

This is definitely a fair point of view. I’d be more in line to seeing it as a possibility if we were already through the transition.

Maybe, but referring back to the McKay comparison, the MBB program he left UVA to take over was way worse than "in transition". It was a full blown dumpster fire.

[Jonathan Carone]

I’d say it’s completely different. Ritchie has a conference and guaranteed path to the postseason. Football has neither of those.

[olldflame]

I’d say it’s completely different. Ritchie has a conference and guaranteed path to the postseason. Football has neither of those.

The path to the postseason may not be as clearly defined for an Indy in FBS football as it is in BSC basketball, but not by much. Win 6 D1 games and you will probably go bowling, especially if your fan base travels as well as ours does.

[Purple Haize]

I’d say it’s completely different. Ritchie has a conference and guaranteed path to the postseason. Football has neither of those.

Plus it's a lot easier to be successful quickly in hoops as opposed to football

[olldflame]

I’d say it’s completely different. Ritchie has a conference and guaranteed path to the postseason. Football has neither of those.

Plus it's a lot easier to be successful quickly in hoops as opposed to football

Zero argument on that.