[Liberty22]

Let us not forget that Bob Stoops is available.

Not sure why people keep bringing up stoops. He retired for a reason, unless you’re expecting an Urban Meyer type return. I’d love for Bob Stoops, I just don’t see it happening.

[thepostman]

Fire Gill and hire BJ Williams as the interim head coach. I've over heard his pep talks. He deserves a shot!!

Can LU afford him?

Money is still flowing.

[Purple Haize]

Thoughts on Bob Nielson?

Who? South Dakota? Yeah those two things disqualify him immediately. That's not to say he wouldn't do a good job but he doesn't fit the LU hire profile

Yeah South Dakota, he is a winner. Obviously the LU hire profile isn't working. Time for a new direction.

I’m not saying you’re wrong

[FormerFlameFan]

How about Wagoner. He was the fall guy from last years dimal showing. Oh wait, he hasn't won a game yet....

[cruzan_flame13]

So I found this forum(UTEP) out of nowhere, but I thought I should share it. although this is about a month old, there is still a little insight from a few messages. Here's the link:

https://utep.forums.rivals.com/threads/ ... gill.7381/

Gill might be a good guy but he's not much of good coach from his résumé. Gill should've stayed at UB, but maybe they might've seen what we're experiencing eventually. I'm all ears for a new coach who has a name and can bring some great recruits in plus a staff (without bribes and other commodities). I'm sure there's someone who wouldn't mind the burg. Honestly if they're into a rural area, they wouldn't mind this place.

[cruzan_flame13]

I also found this blog which mentioned Gill with other failed coaches that are still in college football ball. As I said before, Gills résumé is stale, and if someone disagrees with that, then idk what to tell you. I'm sure PH would likely disagree and defend him (which he can if he wants to), but the résumé doesn't lie. Being fired from a P5 that isn't even good is not something to defend. I'm sure Gill can represent Christ with athletics, but idk if being a coach is going well for him. On that note, here's the link to the blog:

https://m.herosports.com/college-footba ... -gill-ahah

[Purple Haize]

I also found this blog which mentioned Gill with other failed coaches that are still in college football ball. As I said before, Gills résumé is stale, and if someone disagrees with that, then idk what to tell you. I'm sure PH would likely disagree and defend him (which he can if he wants to), but the résumé doesn't lie. Being fired from a P5 that isn't even good is not something to defend. I'm sure Gill can represent Christ with athletics, but idk if being a coach is going well for him. On that note, here's the link to the blog:

https://m.herosports.com/college-footba ... -gill-ahah

Kansas Football appears to be where coaching careers go to die. That place obviously has Institutional issues that no coach can over come.
You can’t undervalue what he did at Buffalo. The record doesn’t reflect what a turn around it was.
Why hasn’t the been able to take LU into the stratosphere? I dunno. But he did take them to the Playoffs which no other LU coach has done. And he consistently won/tied for 1st in the BSC.
He’s no Nick Saban but he’s no Rich Kotite either

[Jonathan Carone]

We are 3-5 in our last eight games.

We are 9-8 in our last two seasons.

Since making the playoffs in 2014, we are 15-13 over the last three seasons with an average loss of 16.5 points.

I’m not going to negate what he has done here because there are definite positives, but the negatives of the last three years and the trend of the program far outweigh those positives, especially as we transition to FBS.

[thepostman]

I wouldn't mind Turner Gill go stick around and take juniors place as the public representative of our school. He'd be far better at that than Jerry Falwell Jr. Just sayin

[willflop]

If there's a problem with under valuing what he did at UB, what about over valuing? He went 20 and 30 over the 4 years? Throw out the first year, and hes still only 18 and 20. After his best season of 7 amd 5, he finished at 5 and 7 in his last year at UB. The coach that took over Gill's team went 2 and 10, in 2010.

What am i missing? He turned a really bad team into a one time 7 and 5 season, that's it?

[Old Red]

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind if he “kicked upstairs” instead of just fired. Give him a administrative/PR position with athletics department or university as a whole.

He just can’t stay on the sidelines past this season.

[PAFlame]

I'd much rather have Turner Gill as the face of LU than JFJ, especially since JFJ thinks associating with liars and thieves is going to do him well.

[flameshaw]

I also found this blog which mentioned Gill with other failed coaches that are still in college football ball. As I said before, Gills résumé is stale, and if someone disagrees with that, then idk what to tell you. I'm sure PH would likely disagree and defend him (which he can if he wants to), but the résumé doesn't lie. Being fired from a P5 that isn't even good is not something to defend. I'm sure Gill can represent Christ with athletics, but idk if being a coach is going well for him. On that note, here's the link to the blog:

https://m.herosports.com/college-footba ... -gill-ahah

Kansas Football appears to be where coaching careers go to die. That place obviously has Institutional issues that no coach can over come.
You can’t undervalue what he did at Buffalo. The record doesn’t reflect what a turn around it was.
Why hasn’t the been able to take LU into the stratosphere? I dunno. But he did take them to the Playoffs which no other LU coach has done. And he consistently won/tied for 1st in the BSC.
He’s no Nick Saban but he’s no Rich Kotite either

Gill 4 life. Successful everywhere he has ever been, record just doesn't reflect it.

[flameshaw]

I wouldn't mind Turner Gill go stick around and take juniors place as the public representative of our school. He'd be far better at that than Jerry Falwell Jr. Just sayin

Work at the Welcome Center?

[flameshaw]

If there's a problem with under valuing what he did at UB, what about over valuing? He went 20 and 30 over the 4 years? Throw out the first year, and hes still only 18 and 20. After his best season of 7 amd 5, he finished at 5 and 7 in his last year at UB. The coach that took over Gill's team went 2 and 10, in 2010.

What am i missing? He turned a really bad team into a one time 7 and 5 season, that's it?

Please see all of the press clippings, in previous thread, regarding TG's successful career as a coach. Successful everywhere he has ever been, especially if you don't count W-L records.

[flameshaw]

Yeah, I wouldn’t mind if he “kicked upstairs” instead of just fired. Give him a administrative/PR position with athletics department or university as a whole.

He just can’t stay on the sidelines past this season.

Agree, he is a good guy and a great representative for the University, (as long as it is not on an athletic field). Effective date, first Sunday after our last game this year.

[FlamesHighontheTide]

I know we have posted some names like Stoops, Miles, Butch Jones and a few others. But where are these men spiritually? We need someone who has a love for Jesus first and foremost. He doesn't have to be as outspoken as a Dabo Swinney, but he should be able to line himself with the mission of LU. Someone like a Brandon Streeter deserves a chance or someone like a Tommy Bowden or Terry Bowden could be a huge benefit as we transition to FBS. Shoot, even looking at Mike Minter at Campbell. I know there a good amount of coaches out there, but I really hope we don't settle for someone who will be a great coach and take us to a whole new level of football at the sacrifice of him not being a strong follower of the LORD Jesus.

[Class of 20Something]

If the spiritual side of Gill is authentic (see KSU Postmortem) that is the bar for every future Liberty football coach. I think most of us agree there.

[Purple Haize]

If there's a problem with under valuing what he did at UB, what about over valuing? He went 20 and 30 over the 4 years? Throw out the first year, and hes still only 18 and 20. After his best season of 7 amd 5, he finished at 5 and 7 in his last year at UB. The coach that took over Gill's team went 2 and 10, in 2010.

What am i missing? He turned a really bad team into a one time 7 and 5 season, that's it?

There’s a lot more to a record than W-L such as scheduling etc. I don’t know or have the desire to look at who they played non Conference which could contribute to some losses. Taking a dumpster fire that was UB football and winning the MAC and going to a Bowl game. That’s pretty solid. He was on a lot of lists for HC positions. Kansas made some sense. You had a dumpster fire there the way their coach was canned and they are bringing in a guy who had just turned one Program around. Based on what he did at UB that’s was a pretty safe bet. For numerous reasons it got short circuited.
Maybe he has equaled his success at UB here at LU. Maybe he’s plateaued the Program. Maybe he’s the type of coach that can get a program to a certain level of success and then it just levels off.
To his credit he’s been as successful as any Coach LU has had and better than one or two.

[R i]

In Ian We Trust

[ballcoach15]

When he took over Buffalo, they were the worst team in the country, and no one else a close 2nd.

[FLAMEfromBAMA]

Bill Clark

106-11 as High School Coach

4 Years as DCO at South Alabama as they transitioned to FBS.

1 Season as JSU Head Coach. During his only season as head coach at Jacksonville State, Clark led the Gamecocks to their first playoff victories, 49 school records, 13 OVC records and three NCAA records.

Currently in 2nd Season at UAB. Led them to first bowl game in years in ‘15, led them through a bunch of crap to reestablish program in ‘16, and currently sits second in the the C-USA at 4-2.

Only 49 Years Old, has been successful at every stop. Has transition to FBS experience. Recruiting ties to much of southeast. Has FCS & FBS HC experience. Is a Christian. Clean record, Family Man, Defensive Minded yet none of his programs have been offensively inept.


May not be a huge name to average cfb fans, but his name is a lot more well known that you’d think. Unless Ian really thinks he has a shot at a coach that is a top
candidate for P5 schools, which maybe we do, this would be a really solid move IMO.

[ALAFlamesFan]

Bill Clark

106-11 as High School Coach

4 Years as DCO at South Alabama as they transitioned to FBS.

1 Season as JSU Head Coach. During his only season as head coach at Jacksonville State, Clark led the Gamecocks to their first playoff victories, 49 school records, 13 OVC records and three NCAA records.

Currently in 2nd Season at UAB. Led them to first bowl game in years in ‘15, led them through a bunch of crap to reestablish program in ‘16, and currently sits second in the the C-USA at 4-2.

Only 49 Years Old, has been successful at every stop. Has transition to FBS experience. Recruiting ties to much of southeast. Has FCS & FBS HC experience. Is a Christian. Clean record, Family Man, Defensive Minded yet none of his programs have been offensively inept.


May not be a huge name to average cfb fans, but his name is a lot more well known that you’d think. Unless Ian really thinks he has a shot at a coach that is a top
candidate for P5 schools, which maybe we do, this would be a really solid move IMO.

I second this suggestion. Would be a phenomenal pick up but would he leave UAB for us? He waited it out for UAB to get football back. Seems pretty dedicated.

[Chris Lang]

Saw something on Twitter today that Clark and UAB are working on a long-term extension.

[willflop]

If there's a problem with under valuing what he did at UB, what about over valuing? He went 20 and 30 over the 4 years? Throw out the first year, and hes still only 18 and 20. After his best season of 7 amd 5, he finished at 5 and 7 in his last year at UB. The coach that took over Gill's team went 2 and 10, in 2010.

What am i missing? He turned a really bad team into a one time 7 and 5 season, that's it?

There’s a lot more to a record than W-L such as scheduling etc. I don’t know or have the desire to look at who they played non Conference which could contribute to some losses. Taking a dumpster fire that was UB football and winning the MAC and going to a Bowl game. That’s pretty solid. He was on a lot of lists for HC positions. Kansas made some sense. You had a dumpster fire there the way their coach was canned and they are bringing in a guy who had just turned one Program around. Based on what he did at UB that’s was a pretty safe bet. For numerous reasons it got short circuited.
Maybe he has equaled his success at UB here at LU. Maybe he’s plateaued the Program. Maybe he’s the type of coach that can get a program to a certain level of success and then it just levels off.
To his credit he’s been as successful as any Coach LU has had and better than one or two.

Agreed, not taking away from what he did, just trying not to over value it either. Based on the UB hype I've always heard, I was actually surprised to see how pedestrian it looks on paper.

Regarding OOC W/L:
2008 (7/5) - includes wins against UTEP and Army; lost to Pitt and Missouri (understandable).
2009 (5/7) - includes wins against UTEP and G-Webb; lost to UCF and Pitt.

I'm not sure how good Pitt and UCF were back then, but that looks like a pretty standard strength ooc schedule for a G5. Missouri was ranked 5th at the time.

It is interesting when you compare UB to LU, the trend looks pretty much the same. Slow start, peak (UB-bowl game; LU-Playoff), then a regression back to .500 play.

It's possible that the new coach at UB was a mess himself, but I do think it's telling that 2010 would have been fully Gill's team, apart from incoming freshman, and the strong decline that Gill started in 2009 continued. This coach turned it around a bit in his 3rd and 4th years, at least on paper.

New Coach:
2010: 2-10 (with an FCS win)
2011: 3-11
2012: 4-8
2013: 8-4

Looks like Gill did what any average coach could do, left with the program in shambles, and the next coach took them to their 2nd bowl game, bettering Gill's 09 record with 8-4, 4 years later.