[JK37]

There we go. I like this discourse!

I don't agree that the employer-employee analogy works well, because he's not just an employee. He's the CEO.

I'm not sure about BRAGGING about Jesus. You might be onto something. But I always try to catch him when he's doing interviews. The Trump folks push him as their Christian spokesperson, so he gets into the talk shows often. And he often uses the example of Christ's ministry. He often quotes Scripture. He is most definitely not his dad, he's not a pastor, but he does invoke Christ often.

Rogers3, what makes his tweet indefensible? You may not like it, but I think that description goes too far. Even if It sounded like a pouting child who didn't get his way (And I don't think it did at all!), what about the assertion of it? Was he speaking the truth?

I think some here are like most in society: he doesn't fit the norm of college president, so you're too shocked to appreciate it.

[Purple Haize]

There we go. I like this discourse!

I don't agree that the employer-employee analogy works well, because he's not just an employee. He's the CEO.

I'm not sure about BRAGGING about Jesus. You might be onto something. But I always try to catch him when he's doing interviews. The Trump folks push him as their Christian spokesperson, so he gets into the talk shows often. And he often uses the example of Christ's ministry. He often quotes Scripture. He is most definitely not his dad, he's not a pastor, but he does invoke Christ often.

Rogers3, what makes his tweet indefensible? You may not like it, but I think that description goes too far. Even if It sounded like a pouting child who didn't get his way (And I don't think it did at all!), what about the assertion of it? Was he speaking the truth?

I think some here are like most in society: he doesn't fit the norm of college president, so you're too shocked to appreciate it.

That's always been my He has no Church affiliation. At best he's a good Christian Businessman. What he has to say Spiritually doesn't really resonate with me. I have never figured out what makes him an Evangelical leader other than the combination of his First and last name

[Class of 20Something]

There we go. I like this discourse!

I don't agree that the employer-employee analogy works well, because he's not just an employee. He's the CEO.

I'm not sure about BRAGGING about Jesus. You might be onto something. But I always try to catch him when he's doing interviews. The Trump folks push him as their Christian spokesperson, so he gets into the talk shows often. And he often uses the example of Christ's ministry. He often quotes Scripture. He is most definitely not his dad, he's not a pastor, but he does invoke Christ often.

Rogers3, what makes his tweet indefensible? You may not like it, but I think that description goes too far. Even if It sounded like a pouting child who didn't get his way (And I don't think it did at all!), what about the assertion of it? Was he speaking the truth?

I think some here are like most in society: he doesn't fit the norm of college president, so you're too shocked to appreciate it.

That's always been my He has no Church affiliation. At best he's a good Christian Businessman. What he has to say Spiritually doesn't really resonate with me. I have never figured out what makes him an Evangelical leader other than the combination of his First and last name

Amen.

[JK37]

We're just splitting hairs here, but I think it's correct to consider him an evangelical leader because he's the leader of the largest evangelical university in the world.

[JK37]

It doesn't make him a theologian.

[cruzan_flame13]

It doesn't make him a theologian.

JR doesn't promote himself as such(as far as I can see), so shy would anyone claim that? The thing is that people don't like Falwell's politics and now he's a monster. This also includes the President in this matter. These outcrys has literally created a deficiency known as the Trump Derangement Syndrome. Not accusing or pointing you out specifically, but I think these responses on these threads are hilarious. But hey, that's what forums are for right?

[Yacht Rock]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

[flameshaw]

It doesn't make him a theologian.

JR doesn't promote himself as such(as far as I can see), so shy would anyone claim that? The thing is that people don't like Falwell's politics and now he's a monster. This also includes the President in this matter. These outcrys has literally created a deficiency known as the Trump Derangement Syndrome. Not accusing or pointing you out specifically, but I think these responses on these threads are hilarious. But hey, that's what forums are for right?

Some here have just been butt-hurt by Jr. and wouldn't say anything good about him if he somehow paid off the national debt and rescued all the puppies in the world's animal shelters. Like the TDS analogy.

[Purple Haize]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

Don't try to confuse Cruzen with anything that happened prior to him joining the Board.

[Purple Haize]

It doesn't make him a theologian.

JR doesn't promote himself as such(as far as I can see), so shy would anyone claim that? The thing is that people don't like Falwell's politics and now he's a monster. This also includes the President in this matter. These outcrys has literally created a deficiency known as the Trump Derangement Syndrome. Not accusing or pointing you out specifically, but I think these responses on these threads are hilarious. But hey, that's what forums are for right?

Some here have just been butt-hurt by Jr. and wouldn't say anything good about him if he somehow paid off the national debt and rescued all the puppies in the world's animal shelters. Like the TDS analogy.

Where would he put the puppies and why would he deprive so many people of the love a rescue dog can give?

[Purple Haize]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

And your point is? I have reported directly to two CEO's of publicly traded companies. By comparison, Jr. is a Sunday School teacher. Most CEO's would burn down an orphanage on Christmas Eve if it meant another 1/2 cent earnings on the bottom line. Might want to ask Morgan Hout how he feels about the grace and humanity show to him by Jr. There are many others as well. Maybe you should get out more.
My point? Your experience, as well as mine, is extremely limited and doesn't really mean much. Certainly not enough to broad brush a whole group of people. Especially if one of us is admittedly butt-hurt.

Lots of gay slurs. Are you and ATrain a thing? Does his husband know?

[flameshaw]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

And your point is? I have reported directly to two CEO's of publicly traded companies. By comparison, Jr. is a Sunday School teacher and Humanitarian of the Year award winner. Most CEO's would burn down an orphanage on Christmas Eve if it meant another 1/2 cent earnings on the bottom line. Not to mention, they are never wrong and have nothing to apologize for. Might want to ask Morgan Hout how he feels about the grace and humanity show to him by Jr. There are many, may others as well. Maybe you should get out more.
My point? Your experience, as well as mine, is extremely limited and doesn't really mean much. Certainly not enough to broad brush a whole group of people. Especially if one of us is admittedly butt-hurt.

[flameshaw]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

And your point is? I have reported directly to two CEO's of publicly traded companies. By comparison, Jr. is a Sunday School teacher. Most CEO's would burn down an orphanage on Christmas Eve if it meant another 1/2 cent earnings on the bottom line. Might want to ask Morgan Hout how he feels about the grace and humanity show to him by Jr. There are many others as well. Maybe you should get out more.
My point? Your experience, as well as mine, is extremely limited and doesn't really mean much. Certainly not enough to broad brush a whole group of people. Especially if one of us is admittedly butt-hurt.

Lots of gay slurs. Are you and ATrain a thing? Does his husband know?

I guess if you have no reasonable argument or comeback , that is as good a thing to say as any. LOL I am disappointed PH, you have demonstrated much better creativity in the past. Weak..............real weak.

[Purple Haize]

I was just curious about the gay slurs. That's all. This board is a safe space. If you need to come out, you'll still be accepted here.
What they've done with Morgan Haut has been great considering how he got done wrong back in the day. But that, to me shows the people skills power of Jerry Sr. He had that in abundance

[cruzan_flame13]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

Don't try to confuse Cruzen with anything that happened prior to him joining the Board.

Clearly I pointed the issue with Trump more because that's when more butthurt people came out like it was Jr's last straw. Clearly you two didn't get that but of course everyone else don't know the truth like you 'ol ASOR timers' right? Smh

[Purple Haize]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

Don't try to confuse Cruzen with anything that happened prior to him joining the Board.

Clearly I pointed the issue with Trump more because that's when more butthurt people came out like it was Jr's last straw. Clearly you two didn't get that but of course everyone else don't know the truth like you 'ol ASOR timers' right? Smh

The fact you just referred to us as 'ol ASOR timers' just makes my case stronger

[Yacht Rock]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

And your point is? I have reported directly to two CEO's of publicly traded companies. By comparison, Jr. is a Sunday School teacher and Humanitarian of the Year award winner. Most CEO's would burn down an orphanage on Christmas Eve if it meant another 1/2 cent earnings on the bottom line. Not to mention, they are never wrong and have nothing to apologize for. Might want to ask Morgan Hout how he feels about the grace and humanity show to him by Jr. There are many, may others as well. Maybe you should get out more.
My point? Your experience, as well as mine, is extremely limited and doesn't really mean much. Certainly not enough to broad brush a whole group of people. Especially if one of us is admittedly butt-hurt.

LOL, well that's how we form opinions. Experience. That's how life works. Yeah, there are a ton of bad leaders out there that would do anything for a buck. I've been lucky to work with leaders who don't always do that (I've worked for those other leaders too, but thankfully, it's been a long time). My point is, leadership success isn't reliant on the type of behavior Junior displays. I guess I'd go to one of the sayings that drove me to want to attend Liberty to begin with, "If it's Christian, it ought to be better." That should apply to everything.

[flameshaw]

I was just curious about the gay slurs. That's all. This board is a safe space. If you need to come out, you'll still be accepted here.
What they've done with Morgan Haut has been great considering how he got done wrong back in the day. But that, to me shows the people skills power of Jerry Sr. He had that in abundance

Butt hurt=gay slur now? I guess I will have to brush up on the latest snowflake lingo. According to google:
butt-hurt. adjective- offended, upset, or angry, usually by a small slight or a friendly insult.
I guess you don't know it was Jerry Jr. who reached out to MH and apologized for the error of his father and made things right. I would have guessed you were in the room then too. I do agree that Sr. also had an abundance of grace and people skills as well. You just can't make some people happy, no matter what you do.

[flameshaw]

Actually, if you've been around awhile, you'll know that most folks on here that have issues with Jr's leadership style have had issues long before Trump came along. Some folks, like PH, are fans of Trump but still don't like what Jr tries to do.

My issues are this:

I've worked with leaders and CEOs of secular businesses as large as or larger than Liberty.

In every. single. case. they responded to situations from a more Christlike perspective than the leadership of Liberty University. The leaders of these secular businesses frequently invoked grace and forgiveness when dealing with adverse situations. Not just giving forgiveness but asking forgiveness when they made mistakes. These are touchstones of our faith. In the end, they recognized how important relationships with others were to achieve a vision. Now, there are also leaders who believe that #power and #authority is the way to achieve vision, regardless of the impact flexing #power and #authority has on the people involved.

I guess in the conflicts both public and private I've seen with Jr., I've yet to experience the kind of grace that should define us as Christians. I'm not saying he never does that, I just haven't seen it, so this is all I have to form my opinion of him.

And your point is? I have reported directly to two CEO's of publicly traded companies. By comparison, Jr. is a Sunday School teacher and Humanitarian of the Year award winner. Most CEO's would burn down an orphanage on Christmas Eve if it meant another 1/2 cent earnings on the bottom line. Not to mention, they are never wrong and have nothing to apologize for. Might want to ask Morgan Hout how he feels about the grace and humanity show to him by Jr. There are many, may others as well. Maybe you should get out more.
My point? Your experience, as well as mine, is extremely limited and doesn't really mean much. Certainly not enough to broad brush a whole group of people. Especially if one of us is admittedly butt-hurt.

LOL, well that's how we form opinions. Experience. That's how life works. Yeah, there are a ton of bad leaders out there that would do anything for a buck. I've been lucky to work with leaders who don't always do that (I've worked for those other leaders too, but thankfully, it's been a long time). My point is, leadership success isn't reliant on the type of behavior Junior displays. I guess I'd go to one of the sayings that drove me to want to attend Liberty to begin with, "If it's Christian, it ought to be better." That should apply to everything.

Hey, your opinion, I respect that, I just don't agree. I gave a specific example of something that you said you have never seen from Jr. and suggested maybe you need to broaden your experiences a little more. For some reason, I doubt that would change your opinion/perception in any case. Enjoy the game.

[Purple Haize]

I was just curious about the gay slurs. That's all. This board is a safe space. If you need to come out, you'll still be accepted here.
What they've done with Morgan Haut has been great considering how he got done wrong back in the day. But that, to me shows the people skills power of Jerry Sr. He had that in abundance

Butt hurt=gay slur now? I guess I will have to brush up on the latest snowflake lingo. According to google:
butt-hurt. adjective- offended, upset, or angry, usually by a small slight or a friendly insult.
I guess you don't know it was Jerry Jr. who reached out to MH and apologized for the error of his father and made things right. I would have guessed you were in the room then too. I do agree that Sr. also had an abundance of grace and people skills as well. You just can't make some people happy, no matter what you do.

No. I knew it was JR that reached out and it was good of him to do so. My point was, even AFTER having been done wrong by Doc, he still had a relationship with him and that's what was awesome. Doc was special.
I'm not sure why you keep wondering why some people can never be happy. Again, maybe its projection on your part.

As for 'butt hurt' look at the 3rd definition on the Urban Dictionary. Also, I was in a group that had 'a word' with someone in Corporate who is gay and was told that such a phrase was in fact a gay slur

[cruzan_flame13]

I'm sure it does in your own little world PH.

[Yacht Rock]

Hey, your opinion, I respect that, I just don't agree. I gave a specific example of something that you said you have never seen from Jr. and suggested maybe you need to broaden your experiences a little more. For some reason, I doubt that would change your opinion/perception in any case. Enjoy the game.

I'm more than capable of changing my opinion. My views on most things in life have changed a lot over the years, which is one of the reasons I actually take issue with some of the behavior. I used to be a more "ends justify the means" kind of guy but have grown a lot over the years and have developed more empathy for others. Obviously there are people who have interacted with Jr. who he's been gracious to, I don't dispute that. The thing is, you honestly probably could say that about just about anyone. I'm just stating my opinion based on what I've seen and been exposed to. In the end we obviously we have a different opinion of how a successful leader should lead and that's okay. I would be happy to someday have my views changed on this matter, as I really value the mission of the university and have great relationships with many of the administration, professors, staff, and students there.

[Class of 20Something]

So....

Would we rather push the American into the P6 they want, or try to be a travel partner for WVU in the XII, assuming no realignment?

[thepostman]

What is an old ASOR timer?

This is flamefans don't let Manson's or Duks's marketing change that!

[Yacht Rock]

What is an old ASOR timer?

This is flamefans don't let Manson's or Duks's marketing change that!

LOL, that just illustrates how he's a newcomer.