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By Purple Haize
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Jonathan Carone wrote:I'm much less concerned in the kicker than I am the offense.
Isn't the kicker part of the offense? :D They are supposed to put points on the board
I thought the RB's and WR's looked fine. The QB position will sort itself out.
The pieces are there (with an * by the PK) to be very good.
By forbidden
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Not too manybhave pointed out that the OC was new going against a defensive mastermind whose been doing it for almost 20 years
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By PAmedic
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During camp Gill mentioned that this kid doesn't have a leg to put it into the end zone on kickoffs yet. And that the kid is pretty good inside 40 but 40 to 50 he is still working on
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By Purple Haize
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PAmedic wrote:During camp Gill mentioned that this kid doesn't have a leg to put it into the end zone on kickoffs yet. And that the kid is pretty good inside 40 but 40 to 50 he is still working on
I would think a 40 yd FG should be standard. That means the offense has to get the ball inside the 25. Which in that case I'm kinda down with going for it on short 4th downs.
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By BJWilliams
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40 yard field goal means the ball is spotted on the 23. 40 Yards is the max of a lot of kids in high school...I remember when I was at Hargrave, our kicker lined up for a 40 yard kick in a playoff game....He was a much bigger guy than Probert and he barely got it over the crossbar. A kicker with 50+ max range on field goals is a true weapon. Heck, Oklahoma's kicker came up short from 54 yesterday
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By jinxy
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This great defense i keep hearing about gave up 52 to tulsa in the toilet bowl last year. Shockingly shells was the only one that did much. We missed peterson in that game, if we could have gotten him the ball. Totally agree on probert. Think how many times lunsford kicked the ball out of bounds and how erratic he was. The difference is were not used to having to worry about distance late in halves. We will now. I think gill knows calvert is his guy (unless he does things like bradwell did, which i havent heard anything to think that he has or will yet). However he has to give masha a shot and he really couldnt afford to lose masha to a transfer and go in with 3 frosh qbs with his job on the line. Now masha had and has the opportunity to out perform expectations and keep the job but i believe the rope is short. Gill wouldnt be playing calvert at all if this thing wasnt really really close.
By JK37
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forbidden wrote:Not too manybhave pointed out that the OC was new going against a defensive mastermind whose been doing it for almost 20 years
Foster's been in the biz for 36 years. But good point!
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By Jonathan Carone
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I didn't have a problem with Dailey's play calling. Had Masha connected on some throws, we would've been touting Dailey's game plan. The problem was QB and OL execution, not play call.

Note: there were a lot of 3rd downs where Masha threw well short of the chains. I don't know if those were the primary routes or if he checked down to them. If they were the primary routes, then we can discuss play calling further.
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By prototype
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OK -took a few days to post, so I would write something while still upset after attending game.

I think, considering who we were playing, it was a better game than most predicted. We were up in the middle of the second qtr, our run defense was great, our CB's covered well, just need to learn to turn their heads and knock balls away not always try and pick it, and I thought our RB's did pretty good, despite the play calling.

Negatives -
Gill will lose his job after this year, if he hitches his wagon to Masha. If I'm him - I move Masha to WR tomorrow and Name Calvert QB1. Masha cannot throw and we will be stuck with this wildcat, run up the middle, offense all year, because if it. It will not work, because Masha is so inaccurate, no defense will respect our passing and load up the box. Wasn't just the game - watch warm ups - it wasn't even close between Calvert and Masha. Was sitting next to all VT fans and an ex player was next to me. During warm up - the guy says - " Your QB looks pretty good, has a great arm and looks very accurate with his throws." Told him that was our backup and showed him Masha - he said - "really? I thought that guy was just warming up the defensive players". He was right - nothing was on target and that continued in the game. Calvert looked much better in his 3 snaps than Masha did the whole game. Yes - he threw a pick - but that was an unbelievable pick and if that guy didn't time that perfectly - that would have been a first down. On his first throw - it was 1 inch from being a huge play. But the biggest difference - was watching the WR's - go back and watch the replay (I recorded game and watched it again) - the WR's ran those three plays harder that any others before then - you could tell they knew they had a chance to actually get a ball thrown to them.

The play calling was really bad!! Boring and played right into VT's strengths. Every running play started from the shotgun, with RB getting the ball standing straight up. 90% of runs were run up the middle, with one sweep run that I can remember, that had a 5 yard gain. never even targeted a TE or tried anything creative.

KIcking will be fine - it was his first game - he will get better.

We played with little discipline, but that could have just been a product of a young team. Next week will show us a lot more, than this game did. We will know how long the season could be, by halftime.
By olldflame
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prototype wrote:OK -took a few days to post, so I would write something while still upset after attending game.

I think, considering who we were playing, it was a better game than most predicted. We were up in the middle of the second qtr, our run defense was great, our CB's covered well, just need to learn to turn their heads and knock balls away not always try and pick it, and I thought our RB's did pretty good, despite the play calling.

Negatives -
Gill will lose his job after this year, if he hitches his wagon to Masha. If I'm him - I move Masha to WR tomorrow and Name Calvert QB1. Masha cannot throw and we will be stuck with this wildcat, run up the middle, offense all year, because if it. It will not work, because Masha is so inaccurate, no defense will respect our passing and load up the box. Wasn't just the game - watch warm ups - it wasn't even close between Calvert and Masha. Was sitting next to all VT fans and an ex player was next to me. During warm up - the guy says - " Your QB looks pretty good, has a great arm and looks very accurate with his throws." Told him that was our backup and showed him Masha - he said - "really? I thought that guy was just warming up the defensive players". He was right - nothing was on target and that continued in the game. Calvert looked much better in his 3 snaps than Masha did the whole game. Yes - he threw a pick - but that was an unbelievable pick and if that guy didn't time that perfectly - that would have been a first down. On his first throw - it was 1 inch from being a huge play. But the biggest difference - was watching the WR's - go back and watch the replay (I recorded game and watched it again) - the WR's ran those three plays harder that any others before then - you could tell they knew they had a chance to actually get a ball thrown to them.

The play calling was really bad!! Boring and played right into VT's strengths. Every running play started from the shotgun, with RB getting the ball standing straight up. 90% of runs were run up the middle, with one sweep run that I can remember, that had a 5 yard gain. never even targeted a TE or tried anything creative.

KIcking will be fine - it was his first game - he will get better.

We played with little discipline, but that could have just been a product of a young team. Next week will show us a lot more, than this game did. We will know how long the season could be, by halftime.
My major issue with all of that is that Masha's history against opponents at our level says he CAN be a productive QB, and I am not ready to say he has somehow regressed dramatically since playing so well against CSU and CCU as a R-FR based on a bad outing against a Bud Foster defense If he doesn't look a LOT better in the next couple of weeks, it may be time to talk about a change

Also, flat out wrong about the TE At least 3 balls were thrown to Couamin, with one completed
By ballcoach15
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Offense will be better vs Jacksonville than it was against Bud Foster's defense.
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By prototype
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I hope he can improve- I just don't see it and didn't see it last year either. He's an ATH, just not a QB1. OK - They didn't target a TE down the field. Wasn't counting the few times Masha threw the ball a few yards into both lines... How many completions did Masha have? Did you see a screen run all game?
By ballcoach15
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I believe I read somewhere that LU played 9 true freshmen vs Virginia Tech.

Granted, Masha did not look good vs VT, but I once saw a QB come into Lane Stadium who the media had "given" him the Heisman trophy about halfway thru season. That QB looked worst than Masha against VT defense.

Most people bashing Masha do not fully understand Bud Foster and VT defense.
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What QB are you talking about ballcoach?
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:Offense will be better vs Jacksonville than it was against Bud Foster's defense.
Will it? You would think so. But if you can't hit open receivers it doesn't matter who you are playing.
Or make FG's
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By prototype
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Ding. Ding. Ding.

I could understand if foster's D was sacking us every play or causing pressure - they weren't. The lines did fine, outside the false starts. He had time, but didn't throw an accurate ball the whole game. It's not that I'm saying he's a horrible player, just saying, IMO, he's not a starting QB. Look at all the teams this weekend that played different quarterbacks. Texas looked pretty good last night interchanging them, if that's what gill wants to do.

I'm just saying. A below 500 season, coupled with poor offense = new coach next year.
By Dalegarz1
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I think the synopsis given by prototype is, in general, a very good one. SM is not the QB who will take us to the playoffs. Besides the inaccuracy in the passing game he doesn't "finish" the run when called upon. This week would be a good time to make the switch because of the opponent. At the very least I would like BC to play half the game.
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By BJWilliams
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I did list Masha as one of my three bad aspects of the game last Saturday, but I do not think that we need a QB change at this point. The man is making his first start in 2 years. You can do any number of things in practice, but at the end of the day, its still practice. You cannot precisely replicate game situations in practice. You can simulate them as best you can, but its not going to be the same as what you would experience in a live game.
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By Jonathan Carone
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We all know how this story goes:

Masha continues to be the starter. At the same time, we continue to have some packages for Calvert to "get him experience in case he's needed." In those packages, Calvert will show his potential and we will continue to say he should be the starter.

We will go 2-3 and, going into the bye, Calvert will be named the starter while Masha will continue to have packages in short yardage situations and the red zone. Those packages will be modeled after Texas this year or Florida in the Leak/Tebow year.

We will beat Monmouth, GWU, KSU, and PC to bring our record to 6-3 going into a championship game vs CSU which will determine the fate of our coaching staff's future.

Masha will be praised for being a supportive leader by doing what's best for the team and will provide a weapon and crucial leadership in big situations. Calvert will show his physical prowess and give us hope for the future at quarterback.

So it is written. So it will be done.
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By Purple Haize
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Jonathan Carone wrote:We all know how this story goes:

Masha continues to be the starter. At the same time, we continue to have some packages for Calvert to "get him experience in case he's needed." In those packages, Calvert will show his potential and we will continue to say he should be the starter.

We will go 2-3 and, going into the bye, Calvert will be named the starter while Masha will continue to have packages in short yardage situations and the red zone. Those packages will be modeled after Texas this year or Florida in the Leak/Tebow year.

We will beat Monmouth, GWU, KSU, and PC to bring our record to 6-3 going into a championship game vs CSU which will determine the fate of our coaching staff's future.

Masha will be praised for being a supportive leader by doing what's best for the team and will provide a weapon and crucial leadership in big situations. Calvert will show his physical prowess and give us hope for the future at quarterback.

So it is written. So it will be done.
What's wrong with that scenario? I'm ok with it. It gives Masha a chance to prove himself, he's earned that much. The losses are to 2 FBS schools and the FCS runner up. LU beats CSU (Gill actually has a pretty good record I believe in big games) and heads to the playoffs. They do what they do and head into the next 3 years with a clear QB 1 with tremendous upside.
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By Jonathan Carone
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Never said anything was wrong with it. It's what I've expected all along.

Originally I thought we'd lose to CSU but with their starting QB out, it's a crap shoot at this point. We will have to see how to season develops.
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