[SuperJon]

LFSN won't criticize anything so that's why no one's ever said anything about them. They've never done anything to make someone mad.

[BJWilliams]

Josh said what he needed to say. Now he needs to back it up.

Mission accomplished!

And according to the post-game show, Josh is now the all time leading passer at LU, surpassing Robbie Justino.

He is...I was surprised to not hear anything mentioned during the game. It looked like the only ones who knew (or made mention of it at least) were the AC folks in the postgame article and the broadcasters. You think something will be mentioned by the PA in a couple weeks?

[SuperJon]

Mike Tilley made a huge deal out of it.

[BJWilliams]

I figured that...my thing was, I didn't hear anything over the PA about it, and considering that was about a 20 year old record, that at least something would have been announced.

[Sly Fox]

IF anything, I was getting tired of Josh getting too much credit on those first half TD passes since Petey did most of the work.

[phoenix]

OFF TOPIC ALERT

re: Journalism being impartial: Never has been, never will be. Read some newspapers from colonial America if you want to see some seriously biased reporting. It's gotten better, but there will ALWAYS be biases in reporting. Can't avoid it until we train robots to be reporters. They tell you in journalism class to try to overcome your bias, but you never really will. The best you can do is be consistent with your bias so people know which side of the aisle you sit on. The three cable news networks are FAR from unbiased (no matter what they say). I actually sometimes think that the difference between a journalist and a reporter is the reporter has less bias, because they only tell you what happened. Journalists want to expose stories and find out WHY something happened.

[Sly Fox]

For the record, the #1 bias of every working journalist is a paycheck. All other personal biases take a big backseat to eating and keeping a roof over his/her head.

I love that fan-based media have earned the right to have team access. That wasn't the case for far too long. It took quite awhile for colleges to recognize the influence of the new media. Kudos to LU to giving the FlamesNation guys the opportunity to cover the team in a fashion that serves to continue to grow the fanbase.

[TH Spangler]

I read the App State fan blog and this one .....You guys are more creative and do a better job. I know it takes a lot of work and thank you for doing it.

[SuperJon]

IF anything, I was getting tired of Josh getting too much credit on those first half TD passes since Petey did most of the work.

I agree completely.

[SuperJon]

For the record, the #1 bias of every working journalist is a paycheck. All other personal biases take a big backseat to eating and keeping a roof over his/her head.

I love that fan-based media have earned the right to have team access. That wasn't the case for far too long. It took quite awhile for colleges to recognize the influence of the new media. Kudos to LU to giving the FlamesNation guys the opportunity to cover the team in a fashion that serves to continue to grow the fanbase.

I agree with this one too.

[jinxy]

2 things. Flamesnation and flamefans are good things. You need them to show that people care about the program. Go look at most of the other scrubs in the big south. Ccu and ksu are the only 2 teams with a real fan base. I think they do a great job for the most part. Second josh was really good outside of a coupl throws in the first half. Shells dropped 2 absolute beauties in the second half. It seems as though he and lunsford get together and are on the same games.

[LUminary]

The three cable news networks are FAR from unbiased (no matter what they say)

I would add that the three traditional news networks are far from unbiased.

[phoenix]

The three cable news networks are FAR from unbiased (no matter what they say)

I would add that the three traditional news networks are far from unbiased.

I'd agree - I just end up forgetting about them lol!

[SuperJon]

While they're definitely biased, they don't use first person possessive pronouns when covering their topics.

[R i]

Giving biased fans a seat at the press conferences, and sideline media badges, so on so forth, has its risks. I appreciate all of the effort put into gathering information, and 80% of the content is so insightful, and broadens my knowledge of the team and school. It’s the 20% where Duke says LU should sue because they are being religiously discriminated against by the Sun Belt, or the news breaking skills are so green, they don’t use multiple sources when confirming the Sun Belt Invite, or they use their twitter to trash the QB and his character or talk trash to other schools.

It’s taken me a couple of years, but I have learned to read FlamesNation.com kind of like I would read any of Duke or Jon’s posts here on the message board. I cannot read them like I would an article in the paper. They do not claim to have journalistic integrity, but are fans trying to bring us closer to the teams. I have grown to appreciate that.

[SuperJon]

It’s taken me a couple of years, but I have learned to read FlamesNation.com kind of like I would read any of Duke or Jon’s posts here on the message board. I cannot read them like I would an article in the paper. They do not claim to have journalistic integrity, but are fans trying to bring us closer to the teams. I have grown to appreciate that.

These are the two best descriptors for what FlamesNation is.

It’s the 20% where Duke says LU should sue because they are being religiously discriminated against by the Sun Belt, or the news breaking skills are so green, they don’t use multiple sources when confirming the Sun Belt Invite, or they use their twitter to trash the QB and his character or talk trash to other schools.

A lot of their content is really, really good but this is the part that keeps it from being more legitimate than it is now. I'm okay with being wrong on some news breaking things (mainly because they're not the professionals) and even with them saying negative things about the play of our teams. It's the interactions with other schools and other schools' fans that make it seem amateurish.

At some point a decision has to be made if they want to be taken seriously as the fan's voice or if they just want to be fans with a blog. They're good enough to be taken seriously if they want to go that route, but that takes letting the site (and its affiliated social media accounts) grow up a little.

[g-webb1994]

If you are going to be disrespectful to my team, and my players, and my coaches, keep it to yourself.

What a punk. He ought to try growing a pair, it might help him later in life.

[jimflamesfan]

This week was better.
The crowd was great!

Josh's interview post game was much better this week.

One thing that irritated me this week, and from two weeks ago...

During the postgame on the radio for the KSU game, the announcers made a big deal of how Liberty wins when they throw the ball less that 50* times, and loses when they throw the ball more than 50* times (*It could have been 40 or 60...the # isn't that important to my point).

Paul was saying, "Liberty needs to have the run game be effective to win". That's what they were stressing.

This wasn't the first time I heard this...After the Gardner Webb loss, Woodrum actually said the same thing postgame...he said, "I had to throw the ball too many times....that's not what I want, that's not what the coaching staff wants..."

Shouldn't a senior QB want to be able to lead his team to victory THROUGH THE AIR if needed? Shouldn't that be a challenge?

Shouldn't a coaching staff...at this point knowing that their starting RB is hurt and the Offensive line is thin...and also knowing the experience they have at the QB and WR positions...shouldn't they be preparing the team to win through the air if necessary?

Shouldn't the message be...we will take what the D gives us? If they put 8 in the box we will throw all day...should the message be, "we will win either way"?

Instead, it seems like both our QB and coaching philosophy is IF WE CAN'T RUN, WE LOSE. WE WILL NOT WIN THROUGH THE AIR.

It seems like a defeatist attitude to me.

[forbidden]

Especially seeing as how the rb spot is not where your AA or 4 yr starter lies.

[R i]

http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/the- ... we-anyway/

Duke responds.

[SuperJon]

First off, before I critique anything, I want to say they're a much needed media outlet for Liberty. They bring a perspective that is informed and passionate but doesn't have to kiss the school's butt. In the past, we only had the official channels from the school (kissing its butt) and the N&A (informed but unbiased). LFN does both and more often than not does both really well.

My only push back comes on social media and it comes on a few fronts:

1) Jon has a Twitter account, Duke has a Twitter account, and LFN has a Twitter account. LFN's account, by nature, is supposed to represent all of LFN as a whole. However, it's commonplace for someone (or both) to tweet things saying "I will be doing" or "I think" or some other first person narrative. This takes away from the legitimacy of LFN and makes it a person speaking as opposed to a new media outlet. That's a common mistake for people just starting out (whether business, church, or in this case, media outlet), but it's something that separates the rookies from the respected.

2) Duke's article said they're serious most of the time but sometimes like to have fun. I'm all for having fun, especially on social media, but an organization that wants to be respected and taken seriously has to have fun in a respectful way. It can't be vindictive or mean spirited. LFN crosses the line into emotional snark too often to be taken 100% serious.

3) Duke makes the comparison to analysts/columnists from ESPN, Fox, etc and how most everyone disagrees or dislikes some of the stuff those analysts/columnists say/do. While I agree with that, those media outlets separate the opinion of the outlet from the opinion of the analyst/columnist. LFN too often spouts the opinion of the personality from the official account instead of letting Jon, Duke, Evan, Troy, etc have their own opinions under the LFN umbrella.

Overall, I'm thankful an outlet like LFN exists, but there's still room for improvement with how they operate to make them feel like a legit media outlet and not a fan blog.

[R i]

SJ you skoffed when I suggest you be a social media coach. Sounds like you have some answers there.

[SuperJon]

It's a tool in the toolbox. I just don't like the coaching/guru industry.

[LUaddict]

First off, before I critique anything, I want to say they're a much needed media outlet for Liberty. They bring a perspective that is informed and passionate but doesn't have to kiss the school's butt. In the past, we only had the official channels from the school (kissing its butt) and the N&A (informed but unbiased). LFN does both and more often than not does both really well.

My only push back comes on social media and it comes on a few fronts:

1) Jon has a Twitter account, Duke has a Twitter account, and LFN has a Twitter account. LFN's account, by nature, is supposed to represent all of LFN as a whole. However, it's commonplace for someone (or both) to tweet things saying "I will be doing" or "I think" or some other first person narrative. This takes away from the legitimacy of LFN and makes it a person speaking as opposed to a new media outlet. That's a common mistake for people just starting out (whether business, church, or in this case, media outlet), but it's something that separates the rookies from the respected.

2) Duke's article said they're serious most of the time but sometimes like to have fun. I'm all for having fun, especially on social media, but an organization that wants to be respected and taken seriously has to have fun in a respectful way. It can't be vindictive or mean spirited. LFN crosses the line into emotional snark too often to be taken 100% serious.

3) Duke makes the comparison to analysts/columnists from ESPN, Fox, etc and how most everyone disagrees or dislikes some of the stuff those analysts/columnists say/do. While I agree with that, those media outlets separate the opinion of the outlet from the opinion of the analyst/columnist. LFN too often spouts the opinion of the personality from the official account instead of letting Jon, Duke, Evan, Troy, etc have their own opinions under the LFN umbrella.

Overall, I'm thankful an outlet like LFN exists, but there's still room for improvement with how they operate to make them feel like a legit media outlet and not a fan blog.

SJ you I think your hit it on the nail, great job and eloquently spoken. This is LFN could improve upon but happy to have their coverage. I feel that without their opinion, is all we have from media coverage, besides N & A. They are great as well, but having alumni get a box is from a fellow alum is awesome. I hope that we have more success on the field on off (LFN).

[SuperJon]

Thanks for that. I'm hoping I wrote that with a critiquing tone and not a criticizing one. My goal was to offer an opinion, not criticize them.