[jinxy]

There not running it for 2 reasons. Only 2 scholarship qbs and woodrum has lost a step with the weight. He couldnt holdup last year running that option and now hes more prone to take the big hit being a step slower. Im not giving up on him but its sure but sketchy this year even going back to the fan fest when he was awful.

[phoenix]

#typicalLiberty

This was a game that we needed to win to show our progression as a team. We didn't win it, but that tells us something too. We need to figure out how to string big, emotional wins together before we get to the playoffs.

[BJWilliams]

Im not exactly an apologist for the guy, but I'll take an off day throwing for 270 yards. If he did a better job with some of those throws he probably would threaten the single game passing record from week to week

[jinxy]

47 pass attempts to get 270 bj. Thats horrible.

[BJWilliams]

The 47 attempts was also partially a byproduct of the lack of a running game yesterday (I'll save that bit of criticism for another day). He hits a couple of those missed TDs and we take one of those TDs that came from our turnovers off the board and we have a different result more than likely (and a different tenor to the discussion on here)

That said, if I were to give him a grade for yesterday, I'd give him a C-. yes he got 270 some odd yards, but he missed some very makeable throws that probably would have changed the course of the game, he took two fumbles he didn't need to and he really didn't take over the game as someone with his talent level should be able to do on a week to week basis. He's got to do some serious evaluation of his play AND of his leadership skills before they head down to the ATL this week

[forbidden]

For those of you that don't think Woodrum has an accuracy problem or better yet a consistentcy problem, you might wanna go back and check about how many times HCTG has been stressing those little this with him in camp or during the season. How he was being graded and why HVTG was so hard on him. Just not getting it done on a consistent basis

[SuperJon]

Im not exactly an apologist for the guy, but I'll take an off day throwing for 270 yards. If he did a better job with some of those throws he probably would threaten the single game passing record from week to week

Beej, I know you love your numbers, but you have to watch a game and see how a player plays and not just look at numbers. If you've seen Josh in our four games this year, you'd know that other than the first quarter vs Montana, he hasn't been that great.

[SuperJon]

The 47 attempts was also partially a byproduct of the lack of a running game yesterday (I'll save that bit of criticism for another day). He hits a couple of those missed TDs and we take one of those TDs that came from our turnovers off the board and we have a different result more than likely (and a different tenor to the discussion on here)

That's like saying if I worked out a little more and didn't eat a cheeseburger for lunch, I could lose a little bit of weight. You can't count if's as positives. You can only judge results.

[Purple Haize]

The 47 attempts was also partially a byproduct of the lack of a running game yesterday (I'll save that bit of criticism for another day).

It's still 47 attempts and only 270 yards. That's not good

[ballcoach15]

We have got to find a running game. It's non-existence.

[jinxy]

I doubt hes going to change much 4 games into his 5th year. Forbidden, totally agree but i dont think theres much bite to the talk. I mean do you see him benching him in favor of masha? We can talk abouy grading all we want want but i dont think anything happens. Not sure masha would be any better.

[bluejacket]

The 47 attempts was also partially a byproduct of the lack of a running game yesterday (I'll save that bit of criticism for another day). He hits a couple of those missed TDs and we take one of those TDs that came from our turnovers off the board and we have a different result more than likely (and a different tenor to the discussion on here)

That said, if I were to give him a grade for yesterday, I'd give him a C-. yes he got 270 some odd yards, but he missed some very makeable throws that probably would have changed the course of the game, he took two fumbles he didn't need to and he really didn't take over the game as someone with his talent level should be able to do on a week to week basis. He's got to do some serious evaluation of his play AND of his leadership skills before they head down to the ATL this week

Woodrum didn't make plays. Period. There's no reason to play the what if game. The stats and result speak for themselves.

Grading Woodrum as a C- this past week is very generous.

[LUOrange]

Most of you guys must be Yankee fans- love'em when they win and call them trash when they lose. Woodrum is a good QB, I wonder if he's playing hurt too. He doesn't seem to be as good or sharp as he was last season. But that said, our receivers dropped as many or more catchable passes than the cans of corn that Woodrum threw. He can't blame anyone else for the fumbles though. They were worth a possible 14 point swing.

Bottom line is that we just got beat, and the SIU offense was alot quicker than our D realized. That and playing from behind really took our guys out mentally. The real concern is that O-line. Doesn't matter how good our skill players our if the Line can't open holes up or keep Woodrum from hurries, tips, and sacks. Woodrum and the RB's are the only ones that the line isn't blocking for, Lunsford and our punter has had kicks blocked.

We'll be better though. Let's just hope we don't have another let down against GWU after we beat teh GSU Puddy-tats in the EmptyDome this weekend.

[bluejacket]

Most of you guys must be Yankee fans- love'em when they win and call them trash when they lose. Woodrum is a good QB, I wonder if he's playing hurt too. He doesn't seem to be as good or sharp as he was last season. But that said, our receivers dropped as many or more catchable passes than the cans of corn that Woodrum threw. He can't blame anyone else for the fumbles though. They were worth a possible 14 point swing.

Woodrum's not passing the ball like he should be. Most of the time, he's throwing it at them and forcing the ball. If that's not happening, he's just flat out missing guys who are open. Not many cans of corn for the receivers to catch....

Bottom line is that we just got beat, and the SIU offense was alot quicker than our D realized. That and playing from behind really took our guys out mentally.

The bottom line is that we've been here before and the same thing happens. Big win=big letdown. If we had been competitive but lost, people wouldn't be as nearly as upset. We weren't ready to play from the opening kickoff (in God's name, I have no idea why not) and got embarrassed. If we want national respect, these games can't happen any more.

The real concern is that O-line. Doesn't matter how good our skill players our if the Line can't open holes up or keep Woodrum from hurries, tips, and sacks. Woodrum and the RB's are the only ones that the line isn't blocking for, Lunsford and our punter has had kicks blocked.
We'll be better though. Let's just hope we don't have another let down against GWU after we beat teh GSU Puddy-tats in the EmptyDome this weekend.

Our OL and DL need to play better. OL is bad on many levels. DL was supposed to be a strength of this year's team and they got manhandled.

STs will lose us a game, if they aren't corrected immediately. One bright spot is that the returns are much better. Parker hasn't been a gamebreaker yet, but he hasn't hurt us either.

GSU will be a tough game, just like I said before the season. If we play against them like we played against DSU and SIU, we definitely will lose the game and possibly be embarrassed again.

[forbidden]

I doubt hes going to change much 4 games into his 5th year. Forbidden, totally agree but i dont think theres much bite to the talk. I mean do you see him benching him in favor of masha? We can talk abouy grading all we want want but i dont think anything happens. Not sure masha would be any better.

Not saying im benching in favor im saying, im just not surprised. He misses way to many open receivers, and the sad part is its mostly by underthrowing on the deep balls to Shells and also Farrow at least once yesterday.

[LUalum12]

GSU is better than they were last year this will not be an easy game as most think. I hope I am wrong but this will probably be another Loss

[SuperJon]

Liberty Football: going good to great since 2008.

[jinxy]

Heres the thing. The receiving core is young and inexperienced other than shells and we all know about his drops. He takes plenty of criticism for them. I thought it was pretty obvious that you should improve dramtically from your redshirt frosh year to your senior year. So this is the time you need your veteran qb to lead the way and carry them. If its the best he can be then thats all you can ask but i think all the talk of the personal records and numbers etc lead most of us to believe he doesnt think hes holding the team back at all. If im not mistaken he said almost as much after the first 2 games. Again i like josh and i hope he uses all this and lights up gsu but its gard to predict that right now with these spotty showings.

[Chippy]

I doubt hes going to change much 4 games into his 5th year. Forbidden, totally agree but i dont think theres much bite to the talk. I mean do you see him benching him in favor of masha? We can talk abouy grading all we want want but i dont think anything happens. Not sure masha would be any better.

Not saying im benching in favor im saying, im just not surprised. He misses way to many open receivers, and the sad part is its mostly by underthrowing on the deep balls to Shells and also Farrow at least once yesterday.

There were also a few drops, most notably Canon's drop in the open field at the 5 yard line. Woodrum relies on timing/setting up in pocket and with Peterson on the sidelines a few new receivers and a decent pass rush, he was off most of the night.

[SuperJon]

Then what was the reason for Delaware State, WVU, and the last three quarters of Montana?

[forbidden]

could it be too much praise is being heaped upon people and they are not living up to those expectations, is what I see.

Woodrum = just ok not blowing us away as expected. Just because he is going to break records is due to fact that he has played all four years where others in future or before have had to wait there turn and maybe only play 3 full years. Doesn't mean he was great

Lunsford = inconsistent as expected. All they hype about his leg has his focus possibly a little off kilter.

[flowserve]

I agree that since 2008 Football has changed at Liberty, I still remember the awful years before Rocco.
Most colleges don't make it to the top 25, but we now expect it, so I am thankful for the good football program. Could it be better ? My answer is YES. Next: Sometimes kickers have a mental block and they need to work thru that so time will tell about our kicking game. Finally: I don't read a lot of blame for the last loss going to the coaching staff, they knew what we were up against but Liberty looked confused the entire game. I don't think the team was prepared for the game, the coaches need to do better.

[cabob10]

Hey guys. Long time follower, first time posting. I'm a Liberty alumni who started attending when Rocco took over.

My thoughts on last nights game are from two different mind sets. 1. We've played fantastic teams this season therefore we are bound to have 1 mess up. I'm glad it was last night. Our first FCS loss that was non conference. This should allow us to "peak" at the right time during conference play. All though we are now 2-2 I believe others feel we are really 3-1. Our performance against WV has been the best thus far of any WV opponents. Maryland got hammered yesterday. The announcers referenced the nice job that Liberty did several times. As a result I feel that our performance against WV will be a positive for us in the polls and potentially an at large bid. Therefore I feel like we are really 3-1.

2. Turner Gill is a strategist, and he wants to go all the way to the championship and beyond to FBS. Knowing that WV is one of the best teams in the country I don't see many FCS teams learning anything defensively from the film of our game vs WV. The FCS teams simply don't have the depth and speed that WV has. Additionally because we are the only team to really "compete" against WV this year, the game footage may actually demoralize and FCS team if the players are shown the film. Therefore based on our first three games no FCS team would have a clear understanding of how to beat us. Based on strategy and our ultimate goals, last nights game would be the ideal game to purposely loose, and create fake opportunities for other teams to study and game plan on. Let's face it, SIU would be the best team to purposely loose to because their own credibility was on the line due to their 2 "almost" wins against FBS. As a result it would an easy way to sell our purposeful loss.

Why would we throw a game? To give other teams a hope that they can beat us on a modeled game plan that we would know about ahead of time. Our game next week against Georgia Southern will be our second most important game left of the season. This game represent our systematic domination over sunbelt teams, therefore we can't loose. Also winning this FBS game would nearly cement an at large play off bid. Now that Georgia southern is starting to win a few this may be the easiest way to control them. Especially if they have the habit of repeating the defensive and offensive schemes they witness being used against their opponents. This might just be a calculated risk.

[ballcoach15]

When a team settles for FG attempts early in a game is usually comes back to haunt. Score TDs and forget about FGs in first half.

[LCA&LU Mom]

I agree that since 2008 Football has changed at Liberty, I still remember the awful years before Rocco.
Most colleges don't make it to the top 25, but we now expect it, so I am thankful for the good football program. Could it be better ? My answer is YES. Next: Sometimes kickers have a mental block and they need to work thru that so time will tell about our kicking game. Finally: I don't read a lot of blame for the last loss going to the coaching staff, they knew what we were up against but Liberty looked confused the entire game. I don't think the team was prepared for the game, the coaches need to do better.

http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/damie ... 35362.html

THREE DOWN
1. Sense of urgency from the get-go. Woodrum said in his postgame interview that the Flames went through the week of practice “nonchalant.” That can’t happen when you are the No. 10 team in the nation and facing a quality opponent on the road that was four points shy of being 2-0.

This makes me darn near apoplectic. You're right about the coaches needing to do a better job, flowserve. There's enough blame to go around but if Woodrum's statement is true it's on the coaches to fix.