[LUDad]

The kid was not told before July 1. But even if he was we are still talking about a kid that was told his money is good in May and then in July I changed my mind. That is crazy and would love to here the 'rest of the story". Now we could get into deeper issue if the July deadline is correct which I don't remember from my college coaching days. So he would move the money around without the kids knowing it and then call them and say I changed my mind. Forget a violation what about a violation of Christian character or is lying OK now in college sports. We need some help on this one.

I really do hope and pray that you cleared it with the kid in question that you intended on going public with this info before posting...

[Trottalot]

huntandfish...the best advice you can give this kid is to leave this program...there are a lot better ones even if you have to set out a year to stay in D1 or go to some awesome D2; but do not go back and play for this jerk...there are so many more better coaches to play for and coaches that truly care for their players.

Flameshaw... I not so sure you're not Toman himself; because you sure do kiss his a$$ enough to be. You are clueless!!

[LUDad]

huntandfish...the best advice you can give this kid is to leave this program...there are a lot better ones even if you have to set out a year to stay in D1 or go to some awesome D2; but do not go back and play for this jerk...there are so many more better coaches to play for and coaches that truly care for their players.

Flameshaw... I not so sure you're not Toman himself; because you sure do kiss his a$$ enrough to be. You are clueless!!

Trotalot, that's really funny...an alias handle infering that another handle is an alias.

[Yacht Rock]

The reality is that there are always two sides to stories like this and the truth is somewhere in the middle.

The only ones that actually know aren't posting on this board.

[flameshaw]

Flameshaw... I not so sure you're not Toman himself; because you sure do kiss his a$$ enough to be. You are clueless!!

Talk about clueless.......................................... many people here know exactly who I am. I have a long-time relationship with LU, winning pitcher in the first game we ever played (1973). I had an offer from the Angels right out of high school, but due to some personal issues, never signed. Also played on the first football team. You can't go back much further than that.
There are also people on here who can tell you I have had major issues with Toman in the past. I have stated here many times, I am not a huge fan. (look it up) However, he has done a much better job of working with his team and the university goals in the last few years.
Unlike many here, I have talked to very senior administration people about the baseball situation and I am comfortable with the the way they are proceeding. (I have proof of this BTW).
I talk to MLB scouts several times a year who often speak to Toman and have sent kids to LU. They are paid for their baseball knowledge, but it seems like we have some here who think they know more.
Finally, if we look at what happened to the basketball team, this is really no different. Several guys had their scholarship taken away at the end of the school year. When you consider the time of the respective seasons, they had less time to adjust than any of the baseball players. However, I don't hear the outrage against McKay. The only difference that I can see is that McKay is a new coach, and changes are expected. We don't know what McKay told or didn't tell kids when he came in. Just like no one here has any idea what Toman told this, or any other kid. We only have one side of the story. Like Tommy Bahama says.................. RELAX.

[Sly Fox]

Flameshaw has never been anybody's mouthpiece in the 10-year history of this board. He has always been frank in his concerns.

[huntandfish]

I am about done with this issue and I really don't care if BB, FB, XC, Soccer or the club hockey team does it. Right is right and wrong is wrong. To call a kid and tell him , Coach changed his mind is wrong this late in the summer. The BB is different a new coach changes things. Again what happened to a man's word being his bond. Well that is enough on this topic for me. It's too hot to fish and hunting season is not in I think I'll just take a nap. Huntandfish, he gone.

[flameshaw]

We don't know what the coach told him or didn't tell him, we only know what the player told you. In any event, I wish you and the kid well. Waiting on hunting season myself...............................need some cooler weather and football for sure.

[flamehunter]

Seriously good action on my game cameras. Can't wait for hunting season.

[Flamepop]

Will Shepherd named All American 2nd team

http://www.coastalplain.com/press/Six_c ... americans/

[adam42381]

Seriously good action on my game cameras. Can't wait for hunting season.

Seems relevant.

[flamehunter]

Seriously good action on my game cameras. Can't wait for hunting season.

Seems relevant. :I chortle audibly.:

See the post above mine.

[adam42381]

Seriously good action on my game cameras. Can't wait for hunting season.

Seems relevant. :I chortle audibly.:

See the post above mine.

Ahh, I need to improve my reading skills.

[LibertyBall Fan00]

Okay let me lay this out for everyone in here. We all know the transfer rule correct? If you want to transfer out of a division 1 program to another division 1 program, you must sit out one year (that's what Seiz did). If you want to play the next year without sitting out, you must either go D2 or lower (as some players have done). The rule sucks... So knowing this, the coaches have leverage. Every single division 1 coach uses this rule to there advantage. So at the end of the year when some juniors and seniors leave, you obviously have to replace them with freshman and JUCO guys. And how do you get those kids to come to your school? Scholarships. For the kids from the year before who didn't preform, didn't play, and don't have much of a role the next year, they have there scholarships taken away. The kids who performed well and contributed the year before get to keep there scholarships (most of the time). Makes sense right? You have a lot of freshman coming in (usually 12 or so) who have dominated at there high school level, and know nothing about hitting below .400 or pitching seven innings with 14 strikeouts. So when they realize baseball isn't as easy as that thought and hit .220 and don't play much and have there scholarships taken away, they panic and blame the coach. That's why Toman loves these JUCO bandits, they come in knowing what failure is, and know how to handle it. How many JUCO guys have transferred out? Not many. How many freshman transfer out each year? JUCO's are just simply a lot easier to deal with and usually are better all around ball players. They may not be as talented, but they know the game. Two years ago the majority of Libertys good players were JUCO's. So you bring in 12 freshman, you will be lucky if 3-4 stay the whole way through cause they contribute. The others transfer and start new beginnings, which is fine!

A lot of this falls on the NCAA having a faulty system with the transfer rule. If players could freely transfer to another division 1 program WITH permission from the coaching staff, then it would be a whole lot easier.

You think Toman is a bad coach? You may be correct. But he knows how to recruit, and that is why he wins. Division 1 baseball now a days is similar to a business, and personally I think Toman is headed in the right direction.

[alabama24]

TL;DR

[LibertyBall Fan00]

TL;DR

Might want to. I know what I'm talking about.

[SuperJon]

You think Toman is a bad coach? You may be correct. But he knows how to recruit, and that is why he wins.

This is Liberty baseball summed up in three sentences.

[olldflame]

Okay let me lay this out for everyone in here. We all know the transfer rule correct? If you want to transfer out of a division 1 program to another division 1 program, you must sit out one year (that's what Seiz did). If you want to play the next year without sitting out, you must either go D2 or lower (as some players have done). The rule sucks... So knowing this, the coaches have leverage. Every single division 1 coach uses this rule to there advantage. So at the end of the year when some juniors and seniors leave, you obviously have to replace them with freshman and JUCO guys. And how do you get those kids to come to your school? Scholarships. For the kids from the year before who didn't preform, didn't play, and don't have much of a role the next year, they have there scholarships taken away. The kids who performed well and contributed the year before get to keep there scholarships (most of the time). Makes sense right? You have a lot of freshman coming in (usually 12 or so) who have dominated at there high school level, and know nothing about hitting below .400 or pitching seven innings with 14 strikeouts. So when they realize baseball isn't as easy as that thought and hit .220 and don't play much and have there scholarships taken away, they panic and blame the coach. That's why Toman loves these JUCO bandits, they come in knowing what failure is, and know how to handle it. How many JUCO guys have transferred out? Not many. How many freshman transfer out each year? JUCO's are just simply a lot easier to deal with and usually are better all around ball players. They may not be as talented, but they know the game. Two years ago the majority of Libertys good players were JUCO's. So you bring in 12 freshman, you will be lucky if 3-4 stay the whole way through cause they contribute. The others transfer and start new beginnings, which is fine!

A lot of this falls on the NCAA having a faulty system with the transfer rule. If players could freely transfer to another division 1 program WITH permission from the coaching staff, then it would be a whole lot easier.

You think Toman is a bad coach? You may be correct. But he knows how to recruit, and that is why he wins. Division 1 baseball now a days is similar to a business, and personally I think Toman is headed in the right direction.

That´s an interesting idea. In general, I believe the 1 year transfer rule is a necessary disincentive to keep athletes from transferring at will. However, in cases where they have no choice in the matter because the coach has decided not to renew their scholarship, it does seem a bit one sided to require them to sit a year.

[LibertyBall Fan00]

It's very one sided. They are giving the coaches way to much power, and they can get away with pretty much anything because of it.

[alabama24]

TL;DR

Might want to. I know what I'm talking about.

You might, but so what? It has nothing to do with the OP.

[olldflame]

Prior to making my last post I forgot that in fact the NCAA has been making exceptions to the 1 year transfer rule for athletes who are basically shown the door by their previous coach. They call it the ¨run-off provision¨ Theo Johnson of our basketball team applied for and received one when the coach at C of C made it clear he didn´t fit in his future plans and he transferred to Liberty. He was allowed to play immediatly. It is a waiver that you need to apply for and is not automatic.

[LibertyBall Fan00]

TL;DR

Might want to. I know what I'm talking about.

You might, but so what? It has nothing to do with the OP.

OP? What does that even mean? You must have a very important life not to take the extra 10 seconds out of the day and fully type out what you are trying to say.

[BJWilliams]

OP= original post. I like typing things out for the most part, but even the oldest of curmudgeons can understand that little bit of message board parlance AND not be a tool about it

[adam42381]

OP? What does that even mean? You must have a very important life not to take the extra 10 seconds out of the day and fully type out what you are trying to say.

New guy, you're not going to make any friends this way. First, you show up and tell us to listen to you because you know what you're talking about without providing us with any proof that you know what you're talking about. Now you're calling someone out for using standard message board abbreviations. It takes time to earn respect around here. You're off to a bad start.

[thepostman]

Adam is sticking up for bj? Has the world ended?