[olldflame]

Not getting enough love Theo Johnson! The kid is a competitor and under utilized

As for Drew he should have fewer turnovers than Andoh. Some would argue because Drew ain't passing. He is a jerk on the court with nothing to back it up. He is shooting 51% but break out the shot chart. If it's not a dunk it's a crap shoot. He has done absolutely 0 to improve his game and gets beat on the boards consistently. Had he worried less about trying to figure out the other ways to dunk and spent less time trying to cheap shot players and be an overall thug and maybe JUST MAYBE worked on a nice 8-15' jumper that is consistent he would have been a special player.
Maxwell has been a nice surprise. He still has a long way to go, but he could be a load in the low post. Needs to hit the treadmill, but so do I so I'm going to cut him some slack.....and another slice of prime rib!

It seems to me Theo has been getting quite a bit of praise for his game and his leadership lately, and I agree it is deserved. He was not utilized a lot early, but that was partly because he missed the entire preseason with a bad ankle. He has been playing as big a role as anyone in the second half of the season. I assume when you say Drew gets beat on the boards a lot you are referring to times you can recall where there were rebounds you thought he should have had and didn't. Fair enough, but the fact is he has more rebounds per game and per minute than anyone else on the team. Andoh passes less than Drew. He shoots more and turns it over more than anyone on the team.

[Sly Fox]

I am just loving the fact I am seeing Ryan Kemrite mentioned in positive terms. Love me some SATCH alumni! And it seems to me that Theo has been getting quite a bit of positive attention the past week or so.

Huge win for everyone involved. To those who seem to believe that this could in any way be a negative for the program are way too shortsighted Any evidence that there might be some potential buried on the roster has to help us in our search for our next coach.

[flamehunter]

Olldflame - to be fair to Reid, I think the broken nose/mask has probably affected his game more than we might expect, if only from a tendency to be a little less aggressive. It also had to affect his vision I would think.

[Purple Haize]

Not getting enough love Theo Johnson! The kid is a competitor and under utilized

As for Drew he should have fewer turnovers than Andoh. Some would argue because Drew ain't passing. He is a jerk on the court with nothing to back it up. He is shooting 51% but break out the shot chart. If it's not a dunk it's a crap shoot. He has done absolutely 0 to improve his game and gets beat on the boards consistently. Had he worried less about trying to figure out the other ways to dunk and spent less time trying to cheap shot players and be an overall thug and maybe JUST MAYBE worked on a nice 8-15' jumper that is consistent he would have been a special player.
Maxwell has been a nice surprise. He still has a long way to go, but he could be a load in the low post. Needs to hit the treadmill, but so do I so I'm going to cut him some slack.....and another slice of prime rib!

It seems to me Theo has been getting quite a bit of praise for his game and his leadership lately, and I agree it is deserved. He was not utilized a lot early, but that was partly because he missed the entire preseason with a bad ankle. He has been playing as big a role as anyone in the second half of the season. I assume when you say Drew gets beat on the boards a lot you are referring to times you can recall where there were rebounds you thought he should have had and didn't. Fair enough, but the fact is he has more rebounds per game and per minute than anyone else on the team. Andoh passes less than Drew. He shoots more and turns it over more than anyone on the team.

I'm not high on Andoh either. Look at how often we get beat on the defensive boards and its apparent our bigs don't rebound well. He leads the team. Yippee. Someone needs to. So it's not a matter of 'what I can recall' it's a matter of something this team stinks at doing

Unless his name is mentioned at least every other sentence, Theo is under appreciated! I love that kid

[olldflame]

Not getting enough love Theo Johnson! The kid is a competitor and under utilized

As for Drew he should have fewer turnovers than Andoh. Some would argue because Drew ain't passing. He is a jerk on the court with nothing to back it up. He is shooting 51% but break out the shot chart. If it's not a dunk it's a crap shoot. He has done absolutely 0 to improve his game and gets beat on the boards consistently. Had he worried less about trying to figure out the other ways to dunk and spent less time trying to cheap shot players and be an overall thug and maybe JUST MAYBE worked on a nice 8-15' jumper that is consistent he would have been a special player.
Maxwell has been a nice surprise. He still has a long way to go, but he could be a load in the low post. Needs to hit the treadmill, but so do I so I'm going to cut him some slack.....and another slice of prime rib!

It seems to me Theo has been getting quite a bit of praise for his game and his leadership lately, and I agree it is deserved. He was not utilized a lot early, but that was partly because he missed the entire preseason with a bad ankle. He has been playing as big a role as anyone in the second half of the season. I assume when you say Drew gets beat on the boards a lot you are referring to times you can recall where there were rebounds you thought he should have had and didn't. Fair enough, but the fact is he has more rebounds per game and per minute than anyone else on the team. Andoh passes less than Drew. He shoots more and turns it over more than anyone on the team.

I'm not high on Andoh either. Look at how often we get beat on the defensive boards and its apparent our bigs don't rebound well. He leads the team. Yippee. Someone needs to. So it's not a matter of 'what I can recall' it's a matter of something this team stinks at doing

Unless his name is mentioned at least every other sentence, Theo is under appreciated! I love that kid

Our rebounding margin is +2.6rpg. If we stink at it, I guess our opponents stink worse. Our problem isn't rebounding. It's turnovers. We commit almost 17 a game, which is about 5 or 6 too many.

[Purple Haize]

Is tha rebounding number against D1 or all teams? Just look at last nights game where we gave up a handful of offensive rebounds on a key possession early in the 2nd half (per Langs article) I've just seen too many possessions not end until the other team has gotten a rebound or 2 and put it back in for a bucket.

[olldflame]

Is tha rebounding number against D1 or all teams? Just look at last nights game where we gave up a handful of offensive rebounds on a key possession early in the 2nd half (per Langs article) I've just seen too many possessions not end until the other team has gotten a rebound or 2 and put it back in for a bucket.

Thats overall, and yes, we did dominate the boards in the 4 non D1 games. Looks like in D1 only we are about dead even in rebounding margin.

[GOAT]

How much does Coach Layer make and his assistants? Scar I haven't seen an actual game but is LU this bad? Being a former player in the Big South and against tougher competition in the mid 90's it seems crazy to me that you cant win at least 1/4 or 1/2 of your conference games at LU

[Purple Haize]

How much does Coach Layer make and his assistants? Scar I haven't seen an actual game but is LU this bad? Being a former player in the Big South and against tougher competition in the mid 90's it seems crazy to me that you cant win at least 1/4 or 1/2 of your conference games at LU

Layer reportedly makes in the mid 300k range according to an earlier post. I don't know what his assistants make.
I'm not SCAR but I ran into those mid 90's teams and yes, they are that bad

[Sly Fox]

GOAT back in the house! Don't be such a stranger. We just found out yesterday that our football team has scheduled a game in Denton vs. UNT for 2016.

Because the school is private, the actual salaries of the coaches is not publicly disclosed. But there are plenty of documents that indicate that we are paying exceptionally well to Coach Layer (see Haize's post) and his assistants certainly are doing better than most of their Big South rivals.

Be glad you haven't seen a game this season. It is painful to watch and is indeed crazy that we have fallen this far. It is very reminiscent of the Hanky days not long after you left.

[TheGovernor]

I agree that Smith has not improved from his freshman year until now, but I think there is more to it. How many guys have we seen that have been here for 4-5 really improve while under this staff? Gielo is the same guy as when he stepped on the floor the first time at LU, Twan was always good but didnt really improve, I would argue that JCS was the same player his last year as his first, etc. Although their style of play may have changed slightly, they werent improved in any of those areas and there is a difference. So how much of that is the player not improving and how much is the coaching staff not placing a value on player progression and player development?

[Purple Haize]

I agree that Smith has not improved from his freshman year until now, but I think there is more to it. How many guys have we seen that have been here for 4-5 really improve while under this staff? Gielo is the same guy as when he stepped on the floor the first time at LU, Twan was always good but didnt really improve, I would argue that JCS was the same player his last year as his first, etc. Although their style of play may have changed slightly, they werent improved in any of those areas and there is a difference. So how much of that is the player not improving and how much is the coaching staff not placing a value on player progression and player development?

I disagree and think Gielo has improved some of his game. Not as much as could be and it makes me wonder if it had more to do with his time on the National team than LU
As for Drew, yeah, I'm harsh on him but don't really blame him. Considering how much our guards dominated the ball the last few years, the only way for him to get a touch is to be on the perimeter.

[TheGovernor]

I agree that Smith has not improved from his freshman year until now, but I think there is more to it. How many guys have we seen that have been here for 4-5 really improve while under this staff? Gielo is the same guy as when he stepped on the floor the first time at LU, Twan was always good but didnt really improve, I would argue that JCS was the same player his last year as his first, etc. Although their style of play may have changed slightly, they werent improved in any of those areas and there is a difference. So how much of that is the player not improving and how much is the coaching staff not placing a value on player progression and player development?

I disagree and think Gielo has improved some of his game. Not as much as could be and it makes me wonder if it had more to do with his time on the National team than LU
As for Drew, yeah, I'm harsh on him but don't really blame him. Considering how much our guards dominated the ball the last few years, the only way for him to get a touch is to be on the perimeter.

I just didnt see Gielo doing anything that he wasnt already doing.... or improving in areas where he already contributed. The film all looks the same. His National Team does help as well, I agree.

[TIMSCAR20]

How much does Coach Layer make and his assistants? Scar I haven't seen an actual game but is LU this bad? Being a former player in the Big South and against tougher competition in the mid 90's it seems crazy to me that you cant win at least 1/4 or 1/2 of your conference games at LU

GOAT! Yeah unfortunately things are pretty bad in the Vines Center. Hanky comparisons are warranted. It is tough to watch. I really haven't seen the team play in person but 1 time as I am no longer calling the games on LFSN man. But from the outside looking in, it doesn't look good.

[PAmedic]

How much does Coach Layer make and his assistants?

from another thread and courtesy of SuperJon

https://www.flamefans.com/forums/viewto ... 13&t=22425

Original Source: Executive Compensation at Private Colleges, 2012

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[olldflame]

It's official. Gielo will be applying for a medical redshirt.

http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm ... 84&TeamID=

[ballcoach15]

I cannot believe we are paying a Head Basketball Coach over 300,000 a year for the results we are getting. (20 losses a season). He could very well be the most over paid coach in America.

[Cider Jim]

Lang writes about it today in his article for the local paper:
http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/liber ... 54ec9.html

[Purple Haize]

Lang writes about it today in his article for the local paper:
http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/liber ... 54ec9.html

Good move all the way around

[olldflame]

Gielo's decision is good news overall for next year, but it doesn't necessarily mean he will be back if Layer is fired. Since he will graduate in May, he can transfer anywhere and play immediately, and I'm sure there would be no shortage of teams interested, and of course he could still play pro ball back home. He has been at LU 4 years, and it does seem he enjoys the overall experience.

The player I would be more concerned about losing if DL is let go is Dawson, who could very well be our starting PG when he becomes eligible the second semester next year. It certainly looks like he probably chose to transfer to LU specifically to play for Layer on Buzz Williams' recommendation. Unless he does a reverse Bonds and falls in love with the school in one semester, I wouldn't be surprised to see him move on. In a case like his, if there is a coaching change the NCAA will almost always grant a waiver.

If a coaching change is made, I would think selling those 2 guys on staying will be the new guys first job, just as Layer had to do with Jesse Sanders.

[Purple Haize]

it would be unwise for Gielo to go elsewhere. He's comfortable here, he will be looked at as a leader and has a chance to up his over seats stock. Leaving is a crap shoot. He most likely wouldn't be featured like he would here. He wouldn't have the off the court acclimation of moving to another campus. And bottom line, he's going to have to play for a new coach either way if Layer is let go.
As for Dawson, same thing except the over seas part

[PAFlame]

A well-earned victory for the players (Feels nice to say that). I sincerely hope for their sake that they continue to fight through this period of horrific coaching and injury-bug galore. For the players, any victory is a great victory at this point, and I hope that they realize that none of us have given up on the specific players who continue to give 110% day in and day out. Can't say the same about this staff of clowns.

[olldflame]

A well-earned victory for the players (Feels nice to say that). I sincerely hope for their sake that they continue to fight through this period of horrific coaching and injury-bug galore. For the players, any victory is a great victory at this point, and I hope that they realize that none of us have given up on the specific players who continue to give 110% day in and day out. Can't say the same about this staff of clowns.

Well, that was one of the stupider posts I have read here in a while, and that's saying something. You will notice PAFlame, that I said your POST was stupid. I didn't personally attack you by referring to you as something insulting like, hmmmmm, I don't know.......... a CLOWN?

I was one of Layer's staunchest defenders til recently, but now must admit he hasn't gotten the job done and probably needs to go no matter what the team does the rest of the season, but there is plenty of blame to go around, and the idea that each and every player has "given 110% day in and day out" and all the blame is on the coaches is ridiculous. Yes, and they also all played them one day at a time and were happy to be here and help the ball club. Thank you crash Davis.

[jinxy]

Do we really want to keep someone just because of recruits and transfers. I thought that last year and look where it got us. Bonds is gone talbert barely played. Also thos international kids are going to be projects so we will likely get destroyed up front next year with this group.

[ballcoach15]

I am glad we now have softball and baseball to keep our minds off basketball.