- February 2nd, 2015, 8:48 pm
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If you dig deep their was some drama on why he was cut loose at Ball State (Ronny Thompson) -- not sure you want that baggage or drama at LU.
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bluejacket wrote:And wasnt he the same Thompson, that was found NOT to have committed those so called infractions so much do that he was also awarded a settlement. Seems we agree that his name popularity would be a positive, which in turn would bring some positive attn back to Liberty. People can talk about the princeton offense but look whst its doing for big brothers hoyas with better athletes. It can be so callec boring but what it also would do is bring in something thats def needed around here VICTORIES. Better athletes running that system def would take some getting used to but your going to get IMO good kids but also some disciplined kids, you know that "caliber" of kid that would put LU over the topforbidden wrote:Any reasons whyI think that Ronny Thompson should get another shot somewhere, but I don't think that he would be a good fit at Liberty. Let me go point by point:
Name Recognition - help fill up that Vines Center Definitely. And he would bring tons of connections because of his name. But here is where it gets complicated. When you hire a Thompson, you get the machine with all of the positives and negatives that come with it. The Ball State debacle exposed that (http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?id=3088349). Which is a reason why he has not been hired as a full time basketball coach since then.
Recruiting capabilities - again off name alone gonna bring in that one or two kids that could be the difference Again, I agree.
Wow Factor Agreed.
Having coached college and being around Georgetown he is used to and aware of the "Christian" Standards imposed and expected of a Liberty Kid. Georgetown and Liberty are two completely different worlds. There is no comparison. I have seen nothing to suggest that the Thompsons fit with Liberty's worldview.
Discipline I don't know what kind of discipline you are talking about. On the court? Off the court? Both?
ballcoach15 wrote:I think when a new coach is announced. It will be someone who hasn't been mentioned on this board.You couldn't be more wrong. We will know who finalists are and discuss them.
Purple Haize wrote:He's got more baggage than Amtrak. He would be a horrible fit here. The article put it nicely. People in Muncie don't like the East Coast Swagger and Attitude. When you come in like you own the place things are not going to go well. We have that in common with the Cardinals.Thats the problem, you want a yes man, someone that will follow and not lead, no wonder they lose. If you think or go outside the box your different. This school will never win, you dont know how. Pls name one of these winning coaches who hasnt had some type of controversy. Its what has made them, all that I hear is talk about nice guy coach, kids need to be round pegs that fit in the round hole, because if your a square your not LU material, your ungodly, dang near Satan's spawn. Until you get off your so called high horses, nothing will change within the culture embedded at this institution
forbidden wrote:Do you know anything about the coaching history and situation at Ball State? Not sure I'd call Ray McCallum a yes man. Rick Majerus? Please. I just know that an East Coast mentality won't work there and it won't work here.Purple Haize wrote:He's got more baggage than Amtrak. He would be a horrible fit here. The article put it nicely. People in Muncie don't like the East Coast Swagger and Attitude. When you come in like you own the place things are not going to go well. We have that in common with the Cardinals.Thats the problem, you want a yes man, someone that will follow and not lead, no wonder they lose. If you think or go outside the box your different. This school will never win, you dont know how. Pls name one of these winning coaches who hasnt had some type of controversy. Its what has made them, all that I hear is talk about nice guy coach, kids need to be round pegs that fit in the round hole, because if your a square your not LU material, your ungodly, dang near Satan's spawn. Until you get off your so called high horses, nothing will change within the culture embedded at this institution
BJWilliams wrote:Never thought I'd see the day that would happen PH.I know. You are pretty much the King of Hyperbole. Mr All-Or-Nothing
forbidden wrote:Thats the problem, you want a yes man, someone that will follow and not lead, no wonder they lose. If you think or go outside the box your different. This school will never win, you dont know how. Pls name one of these winning coaches who hasnt had some type of controversy. Its what has made them, all that I hear is talk about nice guy coach, kids need to be round pegs that fit in the round hole, because if your a square your not LU material, your ungodly, dang near Satan's spawn. Until you get off your so called high horses, nothing will change within the culture embedded at this institutionIt has nothing to do with "wanting a yes man," finding "someone that will follow and not lead," or not going outside the box. Some coaches will be great fits at Liberty; others will not. The same could be said at any school, but especially at private universities.
Bigsouthking wrote:First of all little Ronnie is nearly the coach big brother is.
2ndly cause you like him on TV or because he's a clean looking dude, dosent mean he knows hoops.
Coaching isn't a family business, a lot of father son coaches have failed!!
Remember this: the TV talking heads are all former coaches that at some point got FIRED!
3rd of all JB is too smart to hire a guy that accused his old employeer of racism.
Next candidate please....
Purple Haize wrote:forbidden wrote:Do you know anything about the coaching history and situation at Ball State? Not sure I'd call Ray McCallum a yes man. Rick Majerus? Please. I just know that an East Coast mentality won't work there and it won't work here.Purple Haize wrote:He's got more baggage than Amtrak. He would be a horrible fit here. The article put it nicely. People in Muncie don't like the East Coast Swagger and Attitude. When you come in like you own the place things are not going to go well. We have that in common with the Cardinals.Thats the problem, you want a yes man, someone that will follow and not lead, no wonder they lose. If you think or go outside the box your different. This school will never win, you dont know how. Pls name one of these winning coaches who hasnt had some type of controversy. Its what has made them, all that I hear is talk about nice guy coach, kids need to be round pegs that fit in the round hole, because if your a square your not LU material, your ungodly, dang near Satan's spawn. Until you get off your so called high horses, nothing will change within the culture embedded at this institution
I will say though, on your hyperbole, you may beat BJ, which is impressive. So congrats on that.
ballcoach15 wrote:I just have a gut feeling that none of names mentioned on this board so far, will be the one.Yes. You said that earlier
Purple Haize wrote:http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co ... 01102.html
Where does it say he was innocent? You post a piece by one of his biggest supporters as proof of innocence. I know that the BSU Athletic Department is a dumpster fire. Everyone knows that. This is something that like most things in life, have both parties to blame. His personality did him no favors though. There is a way to recruit AND be friendly with boosters at cocktail parties. Finally, the way someone acts as a broadcaster is different than how'd they act as a coach. I like him on TV, he knows the game and has been around it obviously. That doesn't make him a good coach
No one is arguing that the program needs to change directions and get a shot in the arm. Not sure why you are getting your undies in a bundy about that. No one disagrees
forbidden wrote:Maybe some of you should do a little more diligence as I was once told. For one I was just throwing out a name that could be of some relevance to this institution to get a buzz back within the MBB program PERIOD. Second, man was INNOCENT of what he was accused of, PERIOD. Third, if JB doesn't want him thats fine, but to say WITHOUT knowing that he isn't a good coach based on his lineage is rushing to judgement. No, I don't want him just because he was on TV, that had nothing to do with why the man would'nt be a good representative of the school. Alot of people are quick to point the fingers, just realize that 4 more are pointing back at you.Fine, but you should be more diligent and read what Jason Whitlock had to say about it as well. Here is a clipping: http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/whit ... arrassment
Bottom line is the Program needs a jolt, whomever it may be. I wonder if half of you really know what a good coach is actually capable of doing.
bluejacket wrote:TRUST ME I did that, just make sure you mention that Whitlock is an alum of BSU and again like I said, Im sure there are three sides to this situation. And the first part of this story made me realize that it does seem that he is trying to defend his school more than look at facts that were pointed out. Same as what seems to happen on these boards most of the time. Lolforbidden wrote:Maybe some of you should do a little more diligence as I was once told. For one I was just throwing out a name that could be of some relevance to this institution to get a buzz back within the MBB program PERIOD. Second, man was INNOCENT of what he was accused of, PERIOD. Third, if JB doesn't want him thats fine, but to say WITHOUT knowing that he isn't a good coach based on his lineage is rushing to judgement. No, I don't want him just because he was on TV, that had nothing to do with why the man would'nt be a good representative of the school. Alot of people are quick to point the fingers, just realize that 4 more are pointing back at you.Fine, but you should be more diligent and read what Jason Whitlock had to say about it as well. Here is a clipping: http://www.cantstopthebleeding.com/whit ... arrassment
Bottom line is the Program needs a jolt, whomever it may be. I wonder if half of you really know what a good coach is actually capable of doing.
JK37 wrote:If its just an idea you threw out, why are you going to the mattresses for it? Seems like more than just a random thought to me. Just saying, trying to help you.Only because after I said it, I had not even known about all the DRAMA he had went thru, until it was brought to light. Then after that it seemed it went straight to defense mode to validate the reason I had just thrown his name out there, some were saying he was so bad, and tried to point out things, then I was looking to refute some of those things, no other reason.
Even if he's a good coach, and even if he's completely vindicated from the BSU stuff, I don't believe a Christian university in the South with a strongly Baltist background wants all the baggage such a her would present. The racism allegations would be the story for months. Does that help the program and give it the jolt you describe? I imagine the same thinking is going on in the minds of many admins who have passed on him. He's a pariah now, and he is mostly to blame for that, even if he is innocent of the crimes that went on there.
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