If roundball is your blood, this is the place to discuss the Flames as they move into the Ritchie McKay era for the 2nd time.

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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:I wish we had the VMI Coach. He is a good recruiter and plays an exciting style of basketball. He can recruit guys who can put ball in the basket, not draining the shot clock.
Draining the clock seems to be working for UVA and Wisconsin.
By olldflame
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ballcoach15 wrote:I wish we had the VMI Coach. He is a good recruiter and plays an exciting style of basketball. He can recruit guys who can put ball in the basket, not draining the shot clock.
Duggar, Jason Allison and company recruit players who can play their style. It's fun to watch (most of the time) and he has had some regular season success (especially recently since the BSC went to divisions) but in 9 years it has resulted in one less trip to the dance than DL has in 5.
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By BJWilliams
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Its about finding a happy medium really ballcoach. PH is right in that working the clock down is working for UVa and Wisconsin but its because their offense builds off of their at times suffocating defense. We didn't have that kind of personnel last year and Im not entirely sure we will have that next year either.
By olldflame
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jcmanson wrote:Meanwhile, Kevin Keatts is going to UNCW.
Great hire for them. I would have thought a hot commodity like Keatts would wait for something a little higher profile than UNCW. Any chance Eddie sticks around?
By ballcoach15
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Duggar is one of best coaches in the nation. VMI is a tough place to recruit at, more so than LU. The basketball players have military/cadet obligations same as rest of corp of cadets. If VMI can recruit good players (who can shoot and score), LU should be able to also. LU's talent level is barely above that of a D3 school.
By olldflame
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ballcoach15 wrote:Duggar is one of best coaches in the nation. VMI is a tough place to recruit at, more so than LU. The basketball players have military/cadet obligations same as rest of corp of cadets. If VMI can recruit good players (who can shoot and score), LU should be able to also. LU's talent level is barely above that of a D3 school.
For someone who claims to be a coach, you really have a remarkably narrow view of the game. Yes, recruiting to VMI is tough, and yes, Duggar has done a pretty good job there, but the idea that he has recruited talent at a much higher level than we have is not born out by the facts. They score a lot because of the style they play and the fact that they recruit players that fit that style. They have had some moderate regular season success, which has led to ZERO trips to the NCAA tournament. You seem to forget that we did actually BEAT THEM in Lexington this year, and I'm not going to take the time to look it up, but if my memory serves, we have pretty much split with them during Layer's tenure.

It's real easy to say Duggar is a great coach because he has had some modest success in a difficult situation. If he moves on to greener pastures next year, as some have speculated, we will see if he is really that good, or has benefited from low expectations.

You have dug out your old claim that we have no talent. I believe last year it was "worst in D1". That was right before we won the BSC tourney. This time it's "barely above D3". Hopefully the results are similar. It's true that our teams the last couple of years have not had a lot of athleticism, and that has been a problem against some opponents. I am hopeful that will be addressed in this year's recruiting class.
By jlread
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olldflame wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:Duggar is one of best coaches in the nation. VMI is a tough place to recruit at, more so than LU. The basketball players have military/cadet obligations same as rest of corp of cadets. If VMI can recruit good players (who can shoot and score), LU should be able to also. LU's talent level is barely above that of a D3 school.
For someone who claims to be a coach, you really have a remarkably narrow view of the game. Yes, recruiting to VMI is tough, and yes, Duggar has done a pretty good job there, but the idea that he has recruited talent at a much higher level than we have is not born out by the facts. They score a lot because of the style they play and the fact that they recruit players that fit that style. They have had some moderate regular season success, which has led to ZERO trips to the NCAA tournament. You seem to forget that we did actually BEAT THEM in Lexington this year, and I'm not going to take the time to look it up, but if my memory serves, we have pretty much split with them during Layer's tenure.

It's real easy to say Duggar is a great coach because he has had some modest success in a difficult situation. If he moves on to greener pastures next year, as some have speculated, we will see if he is really that good, or has benefited from low expectations.

You have dug out your old claim that we have no talent. I believe last year it was "worst in D1". That was right before we won the BSC tourney. This time it's "barely above D3". Hopefully the results are similar. It's true that our teams the last couple of years have not had a lot of athleticism, and that has been a problem against some opponents. I am hopeful that will be addressed in this year's recruiting class.

To be almost equal to VMI(student body less than 5K I would guess) when we have 50 or 60k(maybe more?) students with online and not including online we still have Tripple the # of students at LU is sad. Why did they spend so much on Basketball facility upgrades if we are still so comfortable sucking at basketball??? Put the money down another drain that we care slightly more about!!
By olldflame
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I'm curious to know who you are referring to with the pronoun "we" jread. I can speculate you mean JB and JLFJR, and that they are "comfortable" losing because they didn't fire Dale Layer. It's possible, but not likely. Our administration wants a MBB that wins and does things the right way off the court. IMHO DL gets an a grade of A on the latter and a D on the former (escaping the F category only because of last year's tourney). They made a choice to stay the course with a good man (who they also happen to owe a million dollars over the next 3 years). I really don't think that means they are comfortable with losing. IMHO next year's team needs to show genuine promise and some results, and we need to be a winner in 2 years. If not, I feel pretty certain they will eat the last year, or possibly even 2, of his contract and move on.
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By Purple Haize
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Bigsouthking wrote:dont be surprised if Tony Bennett is the next Head Coach at Marquette makng about 3-4 million per year.
He has a base of 1.7 million now. If he leaves this year he owes UVA 850,000. Do you think UVA will give him a raise after this season?
How is Marquette a better job than UVA?
At least you didn't claim it as 'fact' so I guess that's something. :roll:
By flamehunter
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Bennett turned that job down before they hired Buzz Williams and Tony was at Washington State. Why in the world would he go there now? He's in a much better job than he was then and it is a much better job than Marquette now.
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By Purple Haize
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flamehunter wrote:Bennett turned that job down before they hired Buzz Williams and Tony was at Washington State. Why in the world would he go there now? He's in a much better job than he was then and it is a much better job than Marquette now.
Well to be fair he is the Big South King. Not the ACC, AAC or Big East King. At least the Burger King has food :lol:
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By bballfan84
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ballcoach15 wrote:Duggar is one of best coaches in the nation. VMI is a tough place to recruit at, more so than LU. The basketball players have military/cadet obligations same as rest of corp of cadets. If VMI can recruit good players (who can shoot and score), LU should be able to also. LU's talent level is barely above that of a D3 school.
What are your expectations for LU basketball..we are a low major and you should get comfortable with that fact.
By Bigsouthking
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Purple Haize wrote:
Bigsouthking wrote:dont be surprised if Tony Bennett is the next Head Coach at Marquette makng about 3-4 million per year.
He has a base of 1.7 million now. If he leaves this year he owes UVA 850,000. Do you think UVA will give him a raise after this season?
How is Marquette a better job than UVA?
At least you didn't claim it as 'fact' so I guess that's something. :roll:
My exact words "Don't be surprised"

Marquette spends more $$$ per player than everyone except Duke.

UVA is behind UNC, Duke, Syracuse, Louisville, NC State in terms of being on the good jobs in the ACC. Buzz will make Bennett life tougher cause he isn't too shabby.

Logical thinking now is time to bounce when the iron is hot. 4 million dollars for 6/7 years. Good enough reasons??
By flamehunter
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Buzz took the Va Tech job, leaving Marquette. That tells you where the Marquette job falls in comparison to any ACC job. Marquette has an interim VP/AD who has stated he will stay in the job for another year. Someone like Ben Howland who isn't currently coaching might take it but not Tony Bennett. He'd be crazy to. And I don't think he is all about the cash like you think he is.
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By Purple Haize
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Bigsouthking wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:
Bigsouthking wrote:dont be surprised if Tony Bennett is the next Head Coach at Marquette makng about 3-4 million per year.
He has a base of 1.7 million now. If he leaves this year he owes UVA 850,000. Do you think UVA will give him a raise after this season?
How is Marquette a better job than UVA?
At least you didn't claim it as 'fact' so I guess that's something. :roll:
My exact words "Don't be surprised"

Marquette spends more $$$ per player than everyone except Duke.

UVA is behind UNC, Duke, Syracuse, Louisville, NC State in terms of being on the good jobs in the ACC. Buzz will make Bennett life tougher cause he isn't too shabby.

Logical thinking now is time to bounce when the iron is hot. 4 million dollars for 6/7 years. Good enough reasons??
I know you said don't be surprised, thats why I noted your improvement of throwing Weekly World News facts around.
As for the rest....I'm sure he's glad you're not his agent
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By Purple Haize
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ballcoach15 wrote:LU may be a mid major but so. is Dayton . They are still alive. in NCAA tourney .
Dayton>Liberty
They are a mid major. We are just a major catastrophe! Actually we are a low major
By olldflame
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Over the protests of bballfan84 no doubt, at some point in time the term "low major" fell out of favor with the sports media. Political correctness I guess. Demeaning to refer to someone as being low. That's when they started using the mid-major term for anyone who wasn't a member of one of the power conferences. I personally have no problem saying that we are currently a low major program. I think it's time to recognize however that conferences like the A10 are really major college in MBB and so are some individual programs like Gonzaga and Butler.
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By kingaling42
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Purple Haize wrote:
ballcoach15 wrote:LU may be a mid major but so. is Dayton . They are still alive. in NCAA tourney .
Dayton>Liberty
They are a mid major. We are just a major catastrophe! Actually we are a low major
ballcoach... Dayton is not your ordinary mid-major.. comparing LU or any other BSC school to that program or simply mentioning them in the same conversation is beyond ridiculous.. the Dayton basketball program has more community support than the entire North Division of the Big South- Dayton home attendance was 220,992 compared to a total home attendance of 143,563 for the 6 North teams..

The term mid-major needs to be discontinued in such casual conversation.. Nebraska is a high major but yet they have never won a NCAA tourney game.. these comparative use of low-major/mid-major/high-major titles are dumb without regard to the actual programs..

Funding, conference affiliation, and success are not directly linked.. until you average over 12,000 fans and have history of making 15 NCAA tourney appearances, making the sweet 16 seven times, and being a national runner up I wouldn't compare my program to Dayton's
By Bigsouthking
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I'm Tony Bennett - hypothetically - Shaka Smart to my east an hour, Buzz to my southwest 2 hours. A school in my home state where parents family lives wants me to come back and be the coach for 3/4 million dollars........... U don't think he's thinking about it???
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