[Purple Haize]

Golly. I wonder who your friend is

you caught that too, huh?

I'm just waiting to go on record in my official capacity as Potentate of the Dark Side to disavow this poster and all his statements. While we are an Evil organization we do have certain standards and expectations.

[Purple Haize]

I hate Super Bowl, so I'll start a debate....blind resume choose 1. :I chortle audibly.:


Overall. Conf. Postseason
14-15 8-6 2nd
18-15 12-4 T-1st NCAA 1st Round
13-15 11-5 2nd
7-23 3-13 8th
14-17 8-6 3rd

77-102. 42-34.
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15-16 10-8 6th
19-13 13-5 2nd
14-18 9-9 5th
15-21 6-10 5th (North) NCAA 1st Round
9-14 3-5

72-82. 41-37

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Obviously bottom coach plays more conference games than the top coach so therefore they'll be more wins & losses, etc. but obviously the finishes are important.

You do realize there is more to running a program, especially at LU than W/L. So to make it a fair comparison you should put those things up as well.

[thepostman]

gpa

[Lburglifer]

Golly. I wonder who your friend is

you caught that too, huh?

I'm just waiting to go on record in my official capacity as Potentate of the Dark Side to disavow this poster and all his statements. While we are an Evil organization we do have certain standards and expectations.

I also learned the history between RD & Haize which now I better understand why Haize works to discredit. The program was in the basement when he returned.

[Lburglifer]

I hate Super Bowl, so I'll start a debate....blind resume choose 1. :I chortle audibly.:


Overall. Conf. Postseason
14-15 8-6 2nd
18-15 12-4 T-1st NCAA 1st Round
13-15 11-5 2nd
7-23 3-13 8th
14-17 8-6 3rd

77-102. 42-34.
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15-16 10-8 6th
19-13 13-5 2nd
14-18 9-9 5th
15-21 6-10 5th (North) NCAA 1st Round
9-14 3-5

72-82. 41-37

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Obviously bottom coach plays more conference games than the top coach so therefore they'll be more wins & losses, etc. but obviously the finishes are important.

Is there really a question between 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 8th, 3rd & 6th, 2nd, 5th, 10th, currently 10th?

[thepostman]

GPA

[flameshaw]

I hate Super Bowl, so I'll start a debate....blind resume choose 1. :I chortle audibly.:


Overall. Conf. Postseason
14-15 8-6 2nd
18-15 12-4 T-1st NCAA 1st Round
13-15 11-5 2nd
7-23 3-13 8th
14-17 8-6 3rd

77-102. 42-34.
---------------------------------------------------
15-16 10-8 6th
19-13 13-5 2nd
14-18 9-9 5th
15-21 6-10 5th (North) NCAA 1st Round
9-14 3-5

72-82. 41-37

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Obviously bottom coach plays more conference games than the top coach so therefore they'll be more wins & losses, etc. but obviously the finishes are important.

Is there really a question between 2nd, 1st, 2nd, 8th, 3rd & 6th, 2nd, 5th, 10th, currently 10th?

Yep, and it is huge.

[Bigsouthking]

5 hours later the debate isn't as good as I wanted.... Darn it.


Off the court I will take coach #2. On the court take coach#1

#justsaying

And since I'm the king, those clowns in Rock Hill have a salesman for a coach. .... Bad hire

[Purple Haize]

I also learned the history between RD & Haize which now I better understand why Haize works to discredit. The program was in the basement when he returned.

We have a history? Really? Who knew.

What exactly am I trying to discredit

And rules are rules. Jeff Meyer

[Bigsouthking]

16-14 9-7 4th
18-12 12-6 4th NCAA 1st Round
12-16 7-9 5th
17-12 9-5 T-2nd
23-9 11-3 T-1st

The above records are Some other coaches during transition years........he was forced out after 23 wins.....wow!!!!!!!!! Seems like it was trending upward....????

[Bigsouthking]

16-16 7-7 4th
23-12. 12-6 3rd CIT Quarterfinals
The above is another coach. Good record but still no better than 3rd.

[Purple Haize]

Yep, and it is huge.

Yes it is. Why thank you

[Bigsouthking]

4-23 0-10 6th
14-14 4-10 7th
13-15 5-9 6th
5-25. 2-12 8th

Who hired this clown???????

[jcmanson]

What's the point of looking backwards at previous coaches' records. We need to look forward. How do we win today? How do we win tomorrow?

[Lburglifer]

What's the point of looking backwards at previous coaches' records. We need to look forward. How do we win today? How do we win tomorrow?

There are some simple answers but most don't want to hear them! So we walk around like the Jews in Wilderness! I am sure with the current athletic leadership they will continue to think they have the answers, so as the title of the thread we don't get to vote. In most circles if your program doesn't successfully complete you are replaced and that it step #1 if MBB does not turn it around and AD needs to be accountable as well.

[thepostman]

Should we bring in your friend to coach the team again?

I agree we need to evaluate everything. There are no easy answers and if one tries to make this out to be something that could be fixed by simply firing the AD and basketball coach then you are simplifying things to simply serve an agenda.

I don't have the answers, but if things continue down this path we will need to take a serious look at replacing Dale and possibly making some changes in the athletic department, but that is such a drastic move that it must not be done emotionally which is why I am glad none of us on this board are in charge of making those kinds of decisions. We are all way to emotional. haha

[JK37]

Firing anyone is no "simple answer". At best, it creates at least one more question. And when considering people, there is no certainty of anything. LU's current situation bears that out.

Lifer, you must already know the University has a distinctive mission which it seems to have represented by all it's athletic teams. Simply put, your friend did not embody that - especially in recruiting. And when I say recruiting, I mean in both the methods and the people brought into the program. At that point, how much does winning matter in the debate?

Dale Layer is the antithesis of the Dunton-led program. The program has not seen the consistency of on-court result, but it has never (to my or public knowledge) compromised the mission of the University for the same of winning in the way your friend so overtly did. If I must choose between those two scenarios, I'll take #2 any and every time.

Obviously, there is a third option we've only seen rarely at LU In MBB: On-court success combined with support and enhancement of the University's mission. This is the Jeff Meyer model. (PH, I did it for you.) And this can be called such, Lifer, because anytime the program's support of the University's mission could be called into question during his illustrious tenure, your friend was squarely in the thick of it.

So if you have answers, let us hear them. Do not simply present steps which only lead to more questions. Or when you do, please answer the new questions as well. Otherwise, you (and your friend), are simply stirring the pot for - as you said - your own agenda.

[jcmanson]

There are some simple answers but most don't want to hear them! So we walk around like the Jews in Wilderness! I am sure with the current athletic leadership they will continue to think they have the answers, so as the title of the thread we don't get to vote. In most circles if your program doesn't successfully complete you are replaced and that it step #1 if MBB does not turn it around and AD needs to be accountable as well.

If the whole "agenda" posts don't stop, you will be banned. Again. Everyone's tired of it.

[thepostman]

I feel like banning him again will only fuel him to continue. He has got to lose steam at some point

[jcmanson]

I feel like banning him again will only fuel him to continue. He has got to lose steam at some point

We've tried the whole ignoring him thing before. It doesn't work.

[thepostman]

nothing really works though

[Purple Haize]

What's the point of looking backwards at previous coaches' records. We need to look forward. How do we win today? How do we win tomorrow?

There are some simple answers but most don't want to hear them! So we walk around like the Jews in Wilderness! I am sure with the current athletic leadership they will continue to think they have the answers, so as the title of the thread we don't get to vote. In most circles if your program doesn't successfully complete you are replaced and that it step #1 if MBB does not turn it around and AD needs to be accountable as well.

Pray tell what are those simple answers? Firing someone is not a complete answer. You are guilty of the tip toeing around that you accuse others of doing. Provide answers not just vague analogies. Which, btw, this one was horrible. The Jews were disobedient to God thus none could enter the Promised Land until a generation had died. So by your silly comparison, either your friend was the Promised Land and LU sinned by removing him, thus bringing 40 years of Gods wrath. Or your friend is Moses and would not be allowed into the Promised Land, only a glimpse of it. OR there is someone currently in the administration who will lead LU into the promised land like Joshua did the Children of Israel. In any case it does your friend a tremendous disservice.

[Lburglifer]

JCManson this is a message board. What defamatory statements like others have I made yet your threatening to ban me? What about BSKing? How you let JK37 trash someone without expecting a response is simply unbelievable. So many untruthful statements! Go ahead keep doing what your doing and see where we are in the next five years?

Haize my use of Promise land analogy is they spend 40 years wandering less than 10 miles from where they wanted to be. but I appreciate the devotional.

[BJWilliams]

Lifer...the problem is that while yes this is a message board, every time you have come on here under your many different names and identities, you always have come back to the same opinion and have displayed that opinion ad nauseum ad infinitum instead of showing any interest in an open dialogue on the subject. That is what has caused great annoyance to everyone here, including BYD and manson and the boys at LFN who now host this board.

I will defer to manson on commentary on JK37 and BSK

[jcmanson]

Let's get this thread back on the topic of the basketball team