[jbock13]

I'm hopeful we win the rest of our games and improve our record in the second year much like we did under Rocco...now yes I would like to see us win games like tonight but I will be glad to see an improvement on last year's record which we still can do...or maybe we should just have a fire sale in the football program...that's what dakotafalcon and cinciflame want anyway (and from the sound of things some others...postie excluded)

You're quite the champion of the false dilemma aren't you?

[jcmanson]

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[01LUGrad]

While I agree that it was really disappointing to watch the student section clear out when it started raining at half time, it is really hard for someone who went to LU in the late 90's to complain that the students are horrible fans. I never missed a home game that didn't interfere with a cross country meet during my 4 years there and there were many games where I could have easily looked around and done a quick count of how many people were even on the student side during the second half of the game. By the way, none of them were wearing red. None of them did a first down chant. Very few of them stood up unless they were leaving. I understand that we all want things to stay on the same trajectory of growth that we have been on for the last 6 years or so, but I really think that is unrealistic. I honestly think that the only thing that we are missing from football being the most important thing to the fans is ACTUALLY WINNING games that matter. I've been following LU football for 16 years and the story is the same every year. Last night when were up 19, all I could think in my head was, "Don't pull a Liberty this week, please!" If it is in my head, it has to be in the players' heads as well. How do you fix this? I have no idea. But until they do, the fans aren't going to be as passionate as we all want them to be.

[lubball]

wow, what at great game and hard lost. Congratulations to Des Rice & Josh Woodrum for putting up some excellent numbers. When your running back and QB get numbers like that there's one thing to say.... Thank You O-LINE, great job.

[TH Spangler]

You guys are all complaining about the students leaving, but honestly, they have no reason to stay. Students are all impacted by culture. Either they care about the game, and it's going to make or break their week based on if we win or lose. Or going to a football game is just something to do, and when they get bored of the game, they just go do something else. For me, this is all impacted by culture and this is getting old.

College kids leaving at halftime is not unique to LU . I watched half of ECU's fans leave for the parking lot at halftime of a nationally televised, 7-7 game against VA Tech.

[ProudPapa73]

I wonder what the students think about the fans on the home team side...

Build a winning program and the bandwagon will bust at the seams...

BJ overreacts...

We have a problem with physical conditioning...

We have a problem with managing the clock...

We should turn down every co-champion trophy, ring, banner etc going forward...

BJ overreacts...

I used to think no body liked losing...

Who thought we'd be thinking about next season before Halloween...

See y'all next week...

[Chris Lang]

Sunday wrap:

http://www.newsadvance.com/sports/liber ... 0f31a.html

[BJWilliams]

Well said lang...I'm just at the point where maybe the only thing we can do to make people happy is blow up the football program and start over next year...reductio et absurdum I know but that's all I got right now

[jcmanson]

Flames lose in double OT to Coastal - http://www.libertyflamesnation.com/flam ... o-coastal/

[Purple Haize]

Well said lang...I'm just at the point where maybe the only thing we can do to make people happy is blow up the football program and start over next year...reductio et absurdum I know but that's all I got right now

You don't think maybe winning games like this would do it?
I'm sure if you think really hard you can come up with something better than blowing up the football program. That's just silly.

[flameslinger]

Well said lang...I'm just at the point where maybe the only thing we can do to make people happy is blow up the football program and start over next year...reductio et absurdum I know but that's all I got right now

Um...We just lost two in a row where we took a two score lead into the fourth, then lost. No one is happy for a reason. We aren't happy. The coaches aren't happy. The players aren't happy. I don't think anyone is saying that scrapping the AD and coaches would make them happy. Happiness this season is gone. There is no joy in Mudville. That said, I will still cheer for these guys to win out, and be encouraged that the guy that SHOULD have been the player of the week (but obviously won't be) was 29 of 41 for 382 yards...and we get him and most of his targets back next year.

[thepostman]

Well said lang...I'm just at the point where maybe the only thing we can do to make people happy is blow up the football program and start over next year...reductio et absurdum I know but that's all I got right now

say it one more time, maybe it will stick. You must be waiting for a read and acknowledged statement or something.

[ProudPapa73]

Well said lang...I'm just at the point where maybe the only thing we can do to make people happy is blow up the football program and start over next year...reductio et absurdum I know but that's all I got right now

I was talking to my wife about this discussion link and she doesn't think blowing up the football program is a good idea.

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[BJWilliams]

I'm not...I'm just tired of the same song and dance where we express frustration after games like this. Will winning games like this help? certainly...but I just don't have a ton of confidence that the people we have can make the changes needed to see that change happen next year. if we don't get rid of everybody, at the very least, I would want a more aggressive offensive coordinator (as far as playcalling goes)...

[thepostman]

So are you saying we should get rid of everybody beej?

[Purple Haize]

I'm not...I'm just tired of the same song and dance where we express frustration after games like this. Will winning games like this help? certainly...but I just don't have a ton of confidence that the people we have can make the changes needed to see that change happen next year. if we don't get rid of everybody, at the very least, I would want a more aggressive offensive coordinator (as far as playcalling goes)...

Wow. You must be going through withdrawal. Either that or they are selling parkas in Hades. I don't believe I've ever seen you call for the firing of a coach let alone an entire staff !

[ProudPapa73]

I'm not...I'm just tired of the same song and dance where we express frustration after games like this. Will winning games like this help? certainly...but I just don't have a ton of confidence that the people we have can make the changes needed to see that change happen next year. if we don't get rid of everybody, at the very least, I would want a more aggressive offensive coordinator (as far as playcalling goes)...

YES! Not just agressive, but use your strengths, your match up advantages. We should have gone "APE-on" Coastal...and just about everybody else we've played. I am not a huge fan of OCs and DCs coaching position players. Whether true or not, it's almost like we're overlooking our TEs and FBs, kind of like a dad coaching a kid and going out of his way NOT to make it look like there is any favoritism...and I'm not saying this is happening, at least not consciously, but sure have wasted Apon for about 25 of the 28 quarters we've played. Why?

[BJWilliams]

Really we have never thrown to the TE much since I've been here...Karcher didn't do it, Rocco didn't do it, and Gill hasn't done it. why...I don't know.

[jimflamesfan]

Just a side note...I'm really appreciating the Flamesnation coverage and pics!

I'm also appreciating Chris Lang's coverage. When is groudhog's day going to end?

[Purple Haize]

Just a side note...I'm really appreciating the Flamesnation coverage and pics!

I'm also appreciating Chris Lang's coverage. When is groudhog's day going to end?

When we stop driving angry

[sigmo7]

Our D is for sure the side of the ball that is catching the grief from this saturday and probably warranted because of losing a good size led. i heard the D sucks yelled out a few times in the stands. everybody has an opinion just like the one i'm giving. yep we gave up 55 points but i would have really enjoyed someone yelling that coastals D sucked, they did give up 52 to a team that their fans and most of ours seem to think sucks!

I don't know how many of you go down on the field after the game but if you weren't down there last night you would have no idea what the atmosphere was like. worst lose i have ever been around. you think you were hurting that we got beat you have no clue how they felt. not so much for themselves but for the school and the fans.

I was just like everybody else when we had the 19 point led was already making our plans to leave early friday to get down to GW and get ready for another huge ballgame. then the wheels fell off.

To even start discussing of getting rid of the coaching staff after such a short period of time is unbelievable. anybody on here that works for a living and has changed jobs whether being let go or by choice and think they will be the best performer the company has in a short period of time is either amazing or they replaced a complete failure. it takes time to get comfortable in a new situation if you are trying to lead a group of people that are directly associated with your success/failure or even employment.

I keep hearing about how much money we are spending on athletics and mainly football. do you honestly believe that having a nice stadium and locker rooms equate to winning? LU has the funds now and wants all of the campus to look great not just the football program. it seems to me that most of you would be ok with a losing record as long as it's cheap. maybe to make you all happy we could get a teacher at the school to coach them and pay about $7.000.00 a year extra like they do the HS coaches around here and if we lose we can say doesn't really matter we aren't putting much money in it.

You can say i'm biased and you would be DAM right. but i'm a realist. i never pulled for LU before Nick came here but you can believe i will still be pulling for them long after he has graduated. met and have became friends with many of the LU faithful. even though i may grumble a little on a play call or missed tackle or anything that can go wrong in a game i will still root for them, because they are MY team.

BOTTOM LINE is losing stinks whether you have skin or "skins" in the team.

You fans without kids on the team feel bad because we lost, parents feel bad because we lost and our kids were involved. many will say I shouldn't be on here because i'm a parent, i'm on here because i'm a fan. and i wouldn't be on here if i wasn't. I don't sugarcoat things to Nick so anything you post on here about him iv'e already asked him about it. i could have been on here under a fake name and blast anything i wanted with nobody having a clue who i was but i don't roll like that if i post it it's how I feel.

So blast my post and comment what you want it's my opinion and don't really care.i think we all have the same goal for LU at heart.

For all of ya'll still on board GO FLAMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Purple Haize]

Sigmo please feel free to stay regardless of being a parent or not. Never feel shy about posting. I hate to be Capt Obvious here but losing SHOULD make a player feel bad. So saying they 'feel really bad' about losing doesn't carry a lot of weight. They are competitive athletes, they SHOULD feel bad for losing. The coaches should feel bad about losing. The question becomes :What are they going to do about it? Based on week to week comparison 's where we squandered a big lead late and clutched defeat from the jaws of victory the answer appears....not much. That is what has to change.
I would also say that in the business world at least in sales you gotta be good NOW and better later. There is and should be a longer period of time with coaches. I agree that anyone calling for Gill to be aced is and idiot at this point. But what about coordinators and position coaches? If they are relatively new to the role then I can chalk it up to growing pains. If not, then maybe they aren't doing what they need to be doing.
But again, post away unabashedly!

[sigmo7]

i don't have any answers about the coaching, i don't know.all my questions i have is after a play. if the play works everybody is happy if it doesn't everybody's mad. to easy to say the next day if we had done this in this situation we would have scored or we would have stopped them. iv'e never heard of a coach coaching to lose. coaches call what they think will work at the time, that's why we scored 52 an they had 55. if it's player related i'm sure it will be discussed.

Your not supposed to be happy about a loss but this was completely different was it from blowing a lead and losing or what the loss did to the season i don't know.

[Yacht Rock]

I don't think anybody doesn't feel bad about losing. It's about what you do with the loss that matters the most. Do you make the loss in vain or do you turn it into an opportunity. I believe this staff, as any coaching staff would, is trying to make adjustments and recognizes their inability to finish a game strong. I think at issue is do they know how to deal with it and do they know what to do.

For instance with our D, I don't think we have a strength issue but have an endurance problem. I don't know how to fix that but it needs to dealt with. From a playcalling perspective, I would like to see us take more chances during key parts of the game. Play to win. For instance, at the end of the first half, I would love to see us be more aggressive to score. Our possession during the 2nd OT was wasted. I feel like we should have gone for the TD instead of the FG. From my view, Coastal was fired up and we were gassed and tying them with a FG and drawing out the game any longer wouldn't have likely resulted in any good for Liberty. CC had been too dominant in the 2nd half for us to give them any slack. I honestly feel like if went for it on the last down, we would have had a shot. Heck, throw in a trick play. Play to win. Don't play not to lose.

[Purple Haize]

i don't have any answers about the coaching, i don't know.all my questions i have is after a play. if the play works everybody is happy if it doesn't everybody's mad. to easy to say the next day if we had done this in this situation we would have scored or we would have stopped them. iv'e never heard of a coach coaching to lose. coaches call what they think will work at the time, that's why we scored 52 an they had 55. if it's player related i'm sure it will be discussed.

Your not supposed to be happy about a loss but this was completely different was it from blowing a lead and losing or what the loss did to the season i don't know.

Coaches can coach NOT to lose which is different than coaching to win. Also, there are times a coach calls a great play but the players don't execute. The fact that the play didn't work doesn't mean you automatically blame the coach. Unless of course you're an idiot. The more astute will also know that a play may work because of an incredible effort on the part of the player.
The point being what corrections are you making. ODU we had a big lead and blew it late. Next game we had a big lead and blew it so late it went into OT. So apparently nothing changed. We lost for the same reason each game. Coaches made conservative calls down the stretch that the players couldn't/didn't execute. If this happens again I'd like to see or players be put in a different position to be successful because these last two times doing what they are doing didn't work.