[Humble_Opinion]

The IRS thing might just have legs. This is getting uglier by the day.

Tell me about it. Have you seen the lady who was in charge of the whole mess! Yowzers! Talk about a face only a mother could love! But fear not, she's now in charge of Obamacare

Also, can you really 'fire' people who already put their notices in? I mean if they were already leaving....

I'm still hung up on Benghazi. It looks like Pickering is going to testify next week. Should be interesting. I just want to know who gave the Stand Down order, and did it play into the Admiral and General getting re assigned because they were trying to help, and who pushed the 'Its the video' line.
Glad to see Susan Rice was able to parlay THAT into being the top candidate for Natl Sec Advisor

Benghazi is the most despicable item here by far in my opinion. It's really troubling to see how Obama manages to distance himself from ever taking responsibility for any of the decisions that are made. An invasion on U.S. soil in another country though? That's an act of war... no one could convince me that the chain of command on an issue like this doesn't include the president being involved in the directives that are handed out. If it didn't include him, then we have an empty suit as president, which in the end may be worse than if he lied about making a decision.

[LUconn]

Who told us about the IRS and the AP wiretapping? How did this info come out? Leak? Whistle blowing? Nope. It was voluntarily released right as benghazi was heating up. Now all the dogs are chasing the squirrels that they want them to be chasing. I think they had scenarios and scapegoats for both of those situations already planned out to ignore the real scandal. I also think the IRS thing is getting out of hand for them but it still will wind up just taking away from the real problem.

Also, the Nixon/Watergate comparisons are a little tiresome. Nobody's getting impeached.

[Purple Haize]

Who told us about the IRS and the AP wiretapping? How did this info come out? Leak? Whistle blowing? Nope. It was voluntarily released right as benghazi was heating up. Now all the dogs are chasing the squirrels that they want them to be chasing. I think they had scenarios and scapegoats for both of those situations already planned out to ignore the real scandal. I also think the IRS thing is getting out of hand for them but it still will wind up just taking away from the real problem.

Also, the Nixon/Watergate comparisons are a little tiresome. Nobody's getting impeached.

Considering one of the reporters who exposed Watergate thinks any one of the 3 are close to what Nixon did........especially Benghazi. Nixon only had 18 1/2 minutes missing. Obama has over 7 hours.

[4everfsu]

The email the WH released is missing 67 hours worth. There will be pressure to release those also.

[Purple Haize]

The email the WH released is missing 67 hours worth. There will be pressure to release those also.

Woodward point was that the 7 hours immediately following Obama being told about the attack are unaccounted for. No one knows where he wa.

[4everfsu]

That is true as well as 67 hours of email and notes that preceded what the WH released.

[Purple Haize]

That is true as well as 67 hours of email and notes that preceded what the WH released.

Yep. To me this is the biggest of the 3 scandals.

[LUconn]

It was night time, and he had a fundraiser in Vegas the next day. I think it's pretty obvious he was in bed. Obviously he was disengaged from the entire event, no matter what he was doing, but saying he was sleeping sounds bad so they don't say it.

[From the class of 09]

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000142 ... 47792.html

[ALUmnus]

¡Groundbreaking stuff there from Peggy.¡

[jbock13]

It really doesn't matter. The low information voters will never associate Obama with his own policies. Keep printing the food stamps and WIC programs, and let the good times roll. Who cares who pays for it?

[BJWilliams]

Just for the record, I am a conservative, I didnt vote for Obama, but my wife uses WIC because we are about to welcome our first child middle of next month and without it, we probably could not afford to get a lot of the food that she needs to have a healthy baby. We may need food stamps as well because things are getting very tight in our house financially, and I certainly would not consider myself a "low information voter" (heck, I get more information from you guys on here than from most other places)

[LUconn]

That's what it's there for BJ. No shame in using it if you need it.

[flamehunter]

That's what those programs are for BJ. Nothing wrong with that, as long as you don't make a career out of it, which I really doubt you will. Those programs aren't going away so when they are used it should be for people who need it for the short term. Unfortunately too many people become dependent on it and get too lazy to get off it.

[thepostman]

That's the key. You aren't being lazy and refusing to make your life better. It's too bad so many people abuse those programs making the legit users feel guilty.

[01LUGrad]

One of my relatives has been fired from 7 jobs. His wife recently quit her job to home school their 4 kids. He does some substitute teaching and she watches a baby for another one of my family members, but she requires to be paid in cash so the bank doesn't have record of their income. They carefully plan their deposits so they don't go over the maximum amount of monthly income for food stamps. They have figured out how to eat steak without either one of them having a steady job and they don't plan on changing their situation because they've currently got it made.

This is the situation that REALLY bothers me.

BJ, the system is set up for people who need help. Use it until you can get things in order. There is no shame in that at all. That's what it is there for!

[jbock13]

As a libertarian, my view on all welfare programs is well known. That's all i'll say.

[LUconn]

not grounded in reality?

[jbock13]

not grounded in reality?

The reality that government didn't subsidize our cheese and milk ever since creation? How would we survive!

[From the class of 09]

People survive in third world counties that doesn't mean it's a good system. We need social programs. If you want to talk about who should run/fund them, that is up for debate.

[jbock13]

People survive in third world counties that doesn't mean it's a good system. We need social programs. If you want to talk about who should run/fund them, that is up for debate.

Social programs have worked well to bring poverty out of Africa?

[Purple Haize]

I'm not a fan of kids getting pregnant, live at home and get supported by their parents but still claim single status to get money to deliver a child and feed the child etc, when the family is perfectly able to do that on their own
BJ your case is somewhat different. I'll be harsh to the point of saying you shouldn't plan on starting a family until you have the means of supporting one. However, I have confidence you will get to that point. People who lose jobs etc, I don't have a problem with either. That is IF they are working at getting another job.

[jbock13]

I just love how, in every conversation, I'm somehow made out to be the crazy, radical, and mean one. I simply believe in free minds and free markets. I worked a full time job while being in school so that way I never had to take out student loans. If I can do that, anyone can. And I never needed help from anyone.

I'm not calling BJ a bum, in fact I've never said a thing regarding him. I'm just giving my opinion that these programs merely redistribute wealth. If anyone one of you want to help someone, give out of your own pocket. Don't use the power of government to plunder from others. Unfortunately, most Republicans and Democrats would both like to confiscate wealth created by individuals for their various vote buying schemes.

If we as conservatives/libertarians believe that the government exists to assist people, then we have no right to talk when the government pays for a person to live off the labor of others.

[jbock13]

I'll be harsh to the point of saying you shouldn't plan on starting a family until you have the means of supporting one.

Not to bash here but this is one thing I've been talking to the future mrs. jbock13 about for awhile now

[From the class of 09]

People survive in third world counties that doesn't mean it's a good system. We need social programs. If you want to talk about who should run/fund them, that is up for debate.

Social programs have worked well to bring poverty out of Africa?

Yep that was the point lol