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By jbock13
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I was having fun with CNN's new Time of Possession Tool.

Plus, I loved how the Colorado Undecided (Democrat) Voters reacted positive to everything Obama said. Surprise!

That, and I'd rather hear James Carville talk than listen to that bloated goofball Karl Rove.
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By Purple Haize
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Frank Lutz was stammering by the outcome of his focus group. There were 3 Obama folks but the other 22 thought Romney won. Even the undecideds broke for Romney and several Obama supporters switched
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By jbock13
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It certainly took me by surprise. I don't agree with Romney on a lot, for example, government should get out of health care, and taxes should be cut for everybody, but he still made a good case that he's better than Obama. I'm not sure what Democrat strategists were even thinking. Usually they're so good at what they do.
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By jinxy
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Things that really stuck out to me;

-The eye contact thing was unbelievable. Romney was just calling him to the mat and Obama wouldn't even acknowledge him, mistake in my opinion.

-The only attach point Obama focused on was that Mitt offered no specifics of his plan. Mitt had to repeat himself over and over and over. Many parts of his plan and what he would do was his record in the most liberal area on the planet Umass. To me, Romney has been more specific than Obama has (especially regarding Obamacare, since there are thousands of pages that still can't be explained.

-Mitt really made a strong point that i hope people caught regarding Dodd Frank. If you've tried to get a mortgage today the red tape that is supposed to benefit the "consumer" is an anchorl to the entire process. The act itself is a perfect example of a democratic all encompassing program or law that punishes the 80% that is doing things properly just as much as the main problem banks. The FDIC premiums percentage that my bank pays is just out the wazoo because of this act, i could go on for days on this but i won't.

Finally, I was lukewarm on Mitt for a long time. His speech at graduation helped some and i became more convinced that he was a good family man but i still wasn't sure. I find myself getting on board with him much more than i ever did with Mccain. Very impressed, he just simply hammered the record and presented truth.
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By belcherboy
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Purple Haize wrote:
Cider Jim wrote:
Purple Haize wrote:90 billion dollars would have put 2 million people through college
Purple, I thought Romney said that 90 billion would hire X-number of teachers. :dontgetit
Nope he said 2 million

Line of the night
You don't just pick the winners and the losers. You just pick the losers

He said it would hire 2 million teachers.
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By jbock13
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If I can modify an earlier thought, if the Romney campaign did reach out to Paul supporters, I doubt they would actually listen or sway their support. There's so many conservatives who don't want to win... they'd rather sit and complain that the candidates suck and that there's no perfect candidate. There will never be a perfect candidates. Do you ever notice the Democrats never complain about their candidate? They'll still even support Biden for VP.

And you wonder why we lose.
By JK37
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Everyone's asking, "What are the specifics of Romney's plans?" But he briefly explained why he isn't naming specifics: he said a good leader doesn't walk in on Day 1 and put forth a my-way-or-the-highway set of plans. Instead, he has a set of guidelines, as well as a list of the few things he refuses to compromise. Within the context of these, he will govern. By contrast, he will not govern by forcing through partisan policies, such as Obamacare.
By ALUmnus
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Regarding Lehrer, it did seem as though he wanted to help Obama out with some clarifications. The President was really hard to follow much of the night, so Lehrer would occasionally jump in "Mr. President, is this what you mean (give better answer)?" Then Obama would reply with something like: "Yes, Jim, (repeat same unclear answer he already gave)...SQUIRREL!!" and go in a completely different direction.

He just didn't seem to be thinking clearly. It's like he went in with his rehearsed talking points and repeated them over and over, even after Romney already clearly showed they were wrong.
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By TH Spangler
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TH Spangler wrote:Almost 30 years later ... we still debate the same issues. :dontgetit

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at 57:06 Mondale trashes Doc :roll:
Romney did a great job last night!! ..... When abortion comes up in a future debate I hope Romney follows Reagan's lead, he had it right in 1984 ..... From a political prospective it should not be framed as a religious issue. It's a constructional issue. When does life began ... the scientific community and religious community should seek the answer. When life does begin, that human being has the full protection of the US constitution. He also believed that more time should be spent analyzing a mothers right to self protection. He pointed out that current law allows a person to kill another in self defense ... if their life is being threatened. He seem to think the same laws would apply for a mother who's life was in jeopardy from a pregnancy. This view is widely accepted, very few people think abortion is an acceptable means of birth control, even the President has conceded that.
By LUconn
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I didn't watch too much of the debate but I did catch the end. I thought it was funny that he flubbed his closing speech, the 1 part that was 100% given he could say whatever he wanted and rehearse the heck out of it, and said something to the effect of making sure that everybody gets their fair share. It really couldn't have been a worse misspeak. Except everybody knows he didn't mean to say it.
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By El Scorcho
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jbock13 wrote:If I can modify an earlier thought, if the Romney campaign did reach out to Paul supporters, I doubt they would actually listen or sway their support. There's so many conservatives who don't want to win... they'd rather sit and complain that the candidates suck and that there's no perfect candidate. There will never be a perfect candidates. Do you ever notice the Democrats never complain about their candidate? They'll still even support Biden for VP.

And you wonder why we lose.
Your definition of "conservative" and Paul supporters' definition of "conservative" is mostly different. That is why they don't support your candidate. They don't want a perfect candidate. They want one aligned with their political beliefs and that believes as they do on issues that are important to them. The issues that are important to them are not important to Mitt Romney or Barack Obama. Time has proven that, so their votes are lost.

Blaming Paul supporters for Republicans losing is like blaming an MLB farm team for the MLB team failing to win the series. They're affiliated, but not the same team.

You really shouldn't sweat it, though. Romney is going to win unless something goes dramatically wrong. I'm betting he pulls at least 55% in November.
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By Dr. Sheh
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El Scorcho wrote: Your definition of "conservative" and Paul supporters' definition of "conservative" is mostly different. That is why they don't support your candidate. They don't want a perfect candidate. They want one aligned with their political beliefs and that believes as they do on issues that are important to them. The issues that are important to them are not important to Mitt Romney or Barack Obama. Time has proven that, so their votes are lost.
I agree with Scorcho. Issues that are important to Paul supporters but not important to Romney or Obama is the Federal Reserve Audit/Elimination (anybody catch Bernanke pumpimg $40 Billion of debt into the system for the foreseeable future?), Ending the Wars, The Federal Deficit (Read Ryan's plan...it doesn't balance for 27 years!), Indefinite Detention, Drones, The War on Drugs, decreasing Foreign Aid, and a host of other issues.

Many Paul supporters are not going to vote for Romney because of his stance on these issues. Some will, but my bet is the majority will not. Gary Johnson will not win, but he'll probably pull ~3% total from the left and the right.
By bradyfan
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El Scorcho wrote:
You really shouldn't sweat it, though. Romney is going to win unless something goes dramatically wrong. I'm betting he pulls at least 55% in November.
Can you tell me how you're coming up with that number? Almost every political expert has Obama winning, even after last night. The fact that Romney can take Ohio and Florida yet still lose the election, should be a telling sign of his road ahead. I'm not saying Romney won't win, I just don't think he has a shot in he Play Hockey Play Hockey to pull 55%. If he wins, it will be very very close. As great as Romney did last night, most experts still think Obama is the favorite.
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By Purple Haize
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jbock13 wrote:But who are these so called experts? Do they have their own agenda and narrative to advance?
Maybe we should ask CJSweat to run a poll...oh wait

BTW, Romney has said on numerous occasions he is all for auditing the Fed. He may not want to end it, but he at least wants more transparency.
By LUconn
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bradyfan wrote:
El Scorcho wrote:
You really shouldn't sweat it, though. Romney is going to win unless something goes dramatically wrong. I'm betting he pulls at least 55% in November.
Can you tell me how you're coming up with that number? Almost every political expert has Obama winning, even after last night. The fact that Romney can take Ohio and Florida yet still lose the election, should be a telling sign of his road ahead. I'm not saying Romney won't win, I just don't think he has a shot in he Play Hockey Play Hockey to pull 55%. If he wins, it will be very very close. As great as Romney did last night, most experts still think Obama is the favorite.
Polling at this point is using demographics from 2008. A banner year for (D) voter turn out. It may repeat itself, who knows, but why are we ignoring the 2010 turn out where republicans took back the house 2 years into the incumbent's presidency? What has changed since then?
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By El Scorcho
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bradyfan wrote:Can you tell me how you're coming up with that number? Almost every political expert has Obama winning, even after last night. The fact that Romney can take Ohio and Florida yet still lose the election, should be a telling sign of his road ahead. I'm not saying Romney won't win, I just don't think he has a shot in he Play Hockey Play Hockey to pull 55%. If he wins, it will be very very close. As great as Romney did last night, most experts still think Obama is the favorite.
I can indeed tell you how I'm coming up with that number. It's coming straight out of my gut and nothing more. I'm not claiming to have any special knowledge or to know something political experts don't. It is not my realm of expertise. It's just my own opinion based on the general atmosphere I feel around me.

On the other hand, I don't mind putting it out there. I feel confident about it. Unless Romney has some major scandal or problem before the election, I think this one is in the bag for him.
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By prototype
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By RubberMallet
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By prototype
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RubberMallet wrote:
prototype wrote:Guys - Want to make a difference and hear how you can help (AND FREE FOOD and drinks AT SHOEMAKERS!!)

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I know...The more Bloop you eat,the more votes Romney receives. Now lets go eat some yogurt;)
By bradyfan
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jbock13 wrote:But who are these so called experts? Do they have their own agenda and narrative to advance?
One "expert" I heard was Ben Stein who actually thinks Romney has 0 shot of winning the election. Another that I follow is Larry Sabato who actually has a history of being very accurate and slightly leans Republican. I can provide a few others if you like. I definitely haven't heard one person say that Romney has a chance at taking 55%. That seems a little outrageous to me. I would love to hear some logistics behind ElScorcho's prediction outside of a gut feeling. Not trying to be a jerk but that seems way out there.
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By bradyfan
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Obviously I don't think Ben Stein is a political expert. However, he is one of the smartest people I can think of and he tends to be conservative. Any time you see an intelligent conservative make a prediction for a liberal to win big, it's worth noting.
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