bigsmooth wrote:logic wrote:bigsmooth wrote:do you realize the cost of what you are are dreaming of? its a wonderful idea, but its not needed. our campus is looking better every day and using JMU as an example was correct. the highway landscape does look better there on I-81 than 460. also LU is not a big time school...yet. JMU is a fine school so get off your high horse. Their football team is dang sure better than ours,and quite frankly academically they are better so we should compare ourselves to them to get better, which in time we will. you are the only one here crying about an "eyesore".
Because when I think of "big-time university" I always think of JMU. I would rather we emulate the athletic departments of SEC schools and the academics of the ACC/Big Ten/Pac-12. When I think of big-time schools I think of those conferences plus the best of the Big12 mixed in. From what I've gathered of the Vision it is this...Alabama football, an overall Stanford athletics department, the academics of a Southern Cal, and the small bible college atmosphere of the school we've always been! JMU doesn't factor into any of those dreams.
As Haize would say, where is your vision?
what are you smoking?? you conveniently took a conversation about our campus being an eyesore because of a highway running through it and because everyone disagreed with you, to talking about that JMU not a big time university, and your "vision". you have to crawl before you can walk and right now we need to be better than JMU not Bama, Stanford, or USC. we are not yet a big time university. we are not academically better than JMU, we are not better in football and hoops either. so get better than JMU in those aspects first. trust me i despise JMU, but facts are facts. nothing wrong with a vision or a BHAG, but you are part of the "i want it now crowd" and it simply takes time. so go back to your orginal point of the "big dig south" and improving our eyesore of a campus.
1. You justified 460 running through campus by saying "but JMU has 81 going through campus and they're doing ok" or something similar.
2. I said "wait a minute, let us not start comparing ourselves to James Madison of all places, let us strive to dream much bigger and better." I stand by that. We need to model ourselves after bigger and better universities than James Madison. We've caught them in 40 years and they had a 70 year head start. JMU is amedium sized state regional state school that will always be a second class destination for the kids that couldn't play football at Tech or get into UVA.
Liberty on the other hand will be THE destination for Christian young people everywhere in the cworld who want the big-time Division I athletic environment of an SEC school, the academics of an ACC school, and the campus feel of a small bible college.
Tell me about the vision of James Madison University?
3. I am of the "I want it now crowd"....not sure where that salvo came from. Seeing a vision and then wanting people here to look bigger and better than JAMES MADISON of all places...how is that wanting it all now?
You say - we need to be like James Madison, a fine role model for where we are going.
I say - Let us look much bigger than James Madison, for where we are going is far grander.
In layman's terms - if you want to be the best, model the best, don't look to a regional school and FCS program when trying to build Alabama/USC.
Even more general layman's terms -
Do you think Jeff Barber came in here from SOUTH CAROLINA and the SEC and said "ok we're going to model James Madison's program" ??? No!!! He came in and used his experience in the SEC to build our athletic department. No doubt HE is looking much bigger than JMU when looking at models of where we want to go!