[bradyfan]

Does anyone have plans on getting NCAA 13 for Ps3? I'm going to do an online dynasty this summer and any of you are welcome to join.

[TDDance234]

I'd be in.

I'm still enjoying '12. Started a new Liberty dynasty today and placed them in the ACC (see-ya, tarholes!) and have been getting my rear handed to me ever since.

[jmdickens]

I'd be in.

I'm still enjoying '12. Started a new Liberty dynasty today and placed them in the ACC (see-ya, tarholes!) and have been getting my rear handed to me ever since.

Except when you play Dook

[bradyfan]

I'd be in.

I'm still enjoying '12. Started a new Liberty dynasty today and placed them in the ACC (see-ya, tarholes!) and have been getting my rear handed to me ever since.

Which Liberty download are you using? I made one with accurate rosters and uniforms. Probably doesn't matter if you're a few years into your dynasty but I like mine better than the others.

I'd be in.

I'm still enjoying '12. Started a new Liberty dynasty today and placed them in the ACC (see-ya, tarholes!) and have been getting my rear handed to me ever since.

Except when you play Dook

Duke hasn't finished last in the ACC for several years actually.

[adam42381]

Duke hasn't finished last in the ACC for several years actually.

You may want to check your info before posting. They've won 1 conference game each of the past 2 seasons and finished in last place or tied for last place 7 of the last 8 seasons.

[bradyfan]

Maryland was last in the ACC last year, UVA the year before that, Maryland in '09, and then Duke in '08. Tie-breakers are split by head-to-head divisionally and overall record inter-divisionally. Additionally, Duke isn't getting beaten up anymore.

2011 - 38-31 vs GT, 14-10 vs VT (Duke probably should have won this game, you know why if you watched), 24-23 vs Wake. All of those teams were in a bowl.

2010 - 21-16 vs BC, 30-20 vs GT, 24-19 vs UNC. beat UVA

2009 - 34-26 vs VT, beat NC State, UVA and Maryland, led Miami late in 3rd.

2008 - beat Navy, crushed UVA and beat Vandy. Lost to Wake in OT, lost to State 27-17, lost to VT 14-3 and UNC 28-20

I'm not arguing that Duke is by any means a good football team. However, I think it's fair to say that they aren't the cupcake of the ACC.

To prove my point, I'll go ahead and claim them for the online dynasty.

[jcmanson]

Yeah Duke is so good, they're 11-25 (5-19) in the last 3 years in the mighty ACC

[bradyfan]

Yeah Duke is so good, they're 11-25 (5-19) in the last 3 years in the mighty
ACC

Who said they were good?

[blwall1416]

I'm not arguing that Duke is by any means a good football team. However, I think it's fair to say that they aren't the cupcake of the ACC.

Richmond points & laughs.

[bradyfan]

I'm not arguing that Duke is by any means a good football team. However, I think it's fair to say that they aren't the cupcake of the ACC.

Richmond points & laughs.

Kind of like JMU would point to VT, W&M would point to UVA, Duke would also be pointing to UVA (owned UVA 3 of the past 4 years, and last year was a fluke.) I'm not saying Duke is good, I know they're terrible. Yet, they aren't the worse in the ACC anymore, that's all I'm saying. As long as Cutcliffe is coaching them, they can be bowl eligible practically every year. That's a huge step from being a 1 win team every three years.

[blwall1416]

How bad to you have to in order for your own lawyers argue this:

Duke University avoided paying the University of Louisville $450,000 for opting out of three football games, but the school had to trash itself to do it. Duke's lawyers argued that the Blue Devils football team, 13-90 from 1999-2007, was so bad any Division I team could have replaced them on the Cardinals' schedule.

I think the Court can absolutely positively take judicial notice that Duke is probably the worst football team in Division I football. Everybody knows that. That’s no secret. The longest losing streak, the inability to ever win games. . .We certainly don’t have to go out and take six months of discovery to establish that for you. . .

Can't find where VT, UVA, etc... ever had to argue that for their school.

[bradyfan]

How bad to you have to in order for your own lawyers argue this:

Duke University avoided paying the University of Louisville $450,000 for opting out of three football games, but the school had to trash itself to do it. Duke's lawyers argued that the Blue Devils football team, 13-90 from 1999-2007, was so bad any Division I team could have replaced them on the Cardinals' schedule.

I think the Court can absolutely positively take judicial notice that Duke is probably the worst football team in Division I football. Everybody knows that. That’s no secret. The longest losing streak, the inability to ever win games. . .We certainly don’t have to go out and take six months of discovery to establish that for you. . .

Can't find where VT, UVA, etc... ever had to argue that for their school.

Since 2008 Duke has won 15 games. Is it great? No. Is it good? No. But are you arguing that Duke football hasn't improved since then? You're borderline retarded if that that's the case. Duke has owned UVA and Maryland since '08. They've at least played every team close since then, Renfree (Duke's QB) is expected to go in the 3-5 round of next year's draft. Duke football is still bad, but it isn't the worst in the conference anymore. It's been getting better ever since Cutcliffe joined. Prior to 2008, yeah probably the worst football program in history, but you won't find one article from a coach, AD, school...etc talking about Duke being a cupcake since then. Additionally, I just looked at Duke's recruiting class for next year, and already they've stolen 3 recruits from UVA and VT. If Duke is the worst ACC team now, than what is UVA? 3 out of the past 4 games between the two have gone to Duke. What is Maryland? What is BC?

[Kolzilla41]

Why is a "Liberty" fan defending Duke football?

[blwall1416]

Since 2008 Duke has won 15 games. Is it great? No. Is it good? No. But are you arguing that Duke football hasn't improved since then?

Yeah...how could I overlook this improvement in conference games?

08 - 1-7
09 - 3-5
10 - 1-7
11 - 1-7

[adam42381]

Since 2008 Duke has won 15 games. Is it great? No. Is it good? No. But are you arguing that Duke football hasn't improved since then? You're borderline retarded if that that's the case. Duke has owned UVA and Maryland since '08. They've at least played every team close since then, Renfree (Duke's QB) is expected to go in the 3-5 round of next year's draft. Duke football is still bad, but it isn't the worst in the conference anymore. It's been getting better ever since Cutcliffe joined. Prior to 2008, yeah probably the worst football program in history, but you won't find one article from a coach, AD, school...etc talking about Duke being a cupcake since then. Additionally, I just looked at Duke's recruiting class for next year, and already they've stolen 3 recruits from UVA and VT. If Duke is the worst ACC team now, than what is UVA? 3 out of the past 4 games between the two have gone to Duke. What is Maryland? What is BC?

I'll give you that they've beaten UVA 3 out of 4 during that time period, but they did lose to them last year. As for Maryland, they're 1-1 since 2008. Owned? I don't consider a 17-13 win and a 21-16 loss to be owning a program. Maybe we have different definitions of the word own.

[bradyfan]

Why is a "Liberty" fan defending Duke football?

Am I not a Liberty fan if I cheer for other schools in addition to Liberty?

Since 2008 Duke has won 15 games. Is it great? No. Is it good? No. But are you arguing that Duke football hasn't improved since then?

Yeah...how could I overlook this improvement in conference games?

08 - 1-7
09 - 3-5
10 - 1-7
11 - 1-7

How is that not an improvement from the years prior to that?

Since 2008 Duke has won 15 games. Is it great? No. Is it good? No. But are you arguing that Duke football hasn't improved since then? You're borderline retarded if that that's the case. Duke has owned UVA and Maryland since '08. They've at least played every team close since then, Renfree (Duke's QB) is expected to go in the 3-5 round of next year's draft. Duke football is still bad, but it isn't the worst in the conference anymore. It's been getting better ever since Cutcliffe joined. Prior to 2008, yeah probably the worst football program in history, but you won't find one article from a coach, AD, school...etc talking about Duke being a cupcake since then. Additionally, I just looked at Duke's recruiting class for next year, and already they've stolen 3 recruits from UVA and VT. If Duke is the worst ACC team now, than what is UVA? 3 out of the past 4 games between the two have gone to Duke. What is Maryland? What is BC?

I'll give you that they've beaten UVA 3 out of 4 during that time period, but they did lose to them last year. As for Maryland, they're 1-1 since 2008. Owned? I don't consider a 17-13 win and a 21-16 loss to be owning a program. Maybe we have different definitions of the word own.

I understand your point, but I was also referring to the recruiting process. Duke has been stealing guys left and right from UVA, Maryland, Wake, VT, and BC. Maryland is having trouble keeping recruits against FCS teams while Duke has been stealing top notch corners from Florida an RB's from NC. Not to mention, Duke is producing some fantastic QB's. I don't understand how one can look at 97-2007, compare it to 2008-2012 and not see a dramatic difference. I mean every stat has improved, recruit classes are constantly top 50 classes, and Duke is at least keeping pace with teams win they lose. Not to mention, they've added some pretty nice wins to their plate. I've already said that I don't think Duke is even an average football team. I'm just arguing that they aren't the worst in the ACC anymore and the past 4 years have been a significant improvement. Would someone please go into detail about how I'm wrong on this?

[adam42381]

No other team has finished last or next to last 7 of the last 8 seasons in the ACC. On the field results are all that matter. I agree that they've definitely improved, but can't see how it's so clear to you that they're definitely not the worst team in the ACC. On paper, sure. Results-based, I don't see it.

I hate Duke, so I'm clearly biased. My cousin plays for them so I hope they don't completely suck for his sake. That said, I quietly pulled against them when I went to see him play in Miami last year. I just couldn't bring myself to cheer for Duke as a UNC fan.

[blwall1416]

How is that not an improvement from the years prior to that?

97 - 0-8
98 - 1-7
99 - 3-5
00 - 0-8
01 - 0-8
02 - 0-8
03 - 2-6
04 - 1-7
05 - 0-8
06 - 0-8
07 - 0-8

And go figure, during those years they had blowout losses, close losses, and they won some games that they shouldn't have.

If you're hanging your hat on averaging 1.5 conference wins per season vs. 0.6 conference wins as something to be proud of, then more power to you. Tell me, if Cutcliffe's next four years has the same conference record as his previous four, you think they'll let him stay because "statistically we're better than before"?

[bradyfan]

No other team has finished last or next to last 7 of the last 8 seasons in the ACC. On the field results are all that matter. I agree that they've definitely improved, but can't see how it's so clear to you that they're definitely not the worst team in the ACC. On paper, sure. Results-based, I don't see it.

I hate Duke, so I'm clearly biased. My cousin plays for them so I hope they don't completely suck for his sake. That said, I quietly pulled against them when I went to see him play in Miami last year. I just couldn't bring myself to cheer for Duke as a UNC fan.

I already pointed out that they haven't finished last since 08. They've broken two tie breakers to prevent from doing so, but they haven't finished last. Also, the most important thing I'm saying is that Duke has drastically improved.

How is that not an improvement from the years prior to that?

97 - 0-8
98 - 1-7
99 - 3-5
00 - 0-8
01 - 0-8
02 - 0-8
03 - 2-6
04 - 1-7
05 - 0-8
06 - 0-8
07 - 0-8

And go figure, during those years they had blowout losses, close losses, and they won some games that they shouldn't have.

If you're hanging your hat on averaging 1.5 conference wins per season vs. 0.6 conference wins as something to be proud of, then more power to you. Tell me, if Cutcliffe's next four years has the same conference record as his previous four, you think they'll let him stay because "statistically we're better than before"?

Actually, during those years, Duke won one game they shouldn't have...against Clemson. Practically everything else was a blowout, except against ECU.

Honestly, when you consider that the school hasn't renovated it's stadium since 1941, and they give almost their entire athletic budget to basketball, it is something to hang our hat on. Duke getting to a bowl would be huge for the school. Every year they have taken steps to get closer to a bowl and many people are predicting Duke to be a candidate this year. Also, if Cutcliffe averages 3-4 wins a year, Duke won't let him go. It took them close to 7 years to fire a coach who had 5 wins total, they won't get rid of Cutcliffe.

[blwall1416]

Actually, during those years, Duke won one game they shouldn't have...against Clemson. Practically everything else was a blowout, except against ECU.

Quickly refuted here:

97 - lost 13-10 to UVA (7-4)
- lost 41-38 to GT (7-5)

98 - lost 27-24 to NCSU (7-5)

99 - won 24-17 against UVA (7-5)
- lost 38-31 to GT (8-4)
- won 48-35 against WF (7-5)

00 - lost 35-31 to NCSU (8-4)

....
and the list goes on & on. The point being, this has been the same story for duke since Spurrier left. They have a hand full of years where they know they are going to be rock-bottom. Then they have a hand full of years where "this is the year we're going bowling", but they end up near the bottom of the ACC again.

Averaging 3-4 wins a year by beating the likes of JMU, Elon, Navy, Army, NC Central & sneaking one away from an ACC team is not impressive. But then again, for some duke fans, maybe it is.

[flamehunter]

Duke is the worst team in the ACC, even during their current Glory Years.

Last 4 seasons, ACC records:

Duke 6-26
Maryland 11-21
UVa 11-21
WF 13-19
BC 17-15

Enough said.

[adam42381]

Duke is the worst team in the ACC, even during their current Glory Years.

Last 4 seasons, ACC records:

Duke 6-26
Maryland 11-21
UVa 11-21
WF 13-19
BC 17-15

Enough said.

That should do it.