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Not sure if this is the place for this but wanted to get some parental advice based on experience regarding vaccinations for children. My wife is due on March 4th (first born) and we are debating on what to do regarding vaccinations. I have read many things over the internet on whether get them done or not or follow your own schedule. What are some of the different experiences for other Flames fan fathers/mothers? Thanks
I think autism is the biggest fear people have with vaccinations, but I think that theory has been debunked and the originators of the claim discredited.
Do you want your kid to get sick? If not, you might want to get them vaccinated. Medicine can be a great thing.
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yeah generally because infowars tells them not to. we did the research. major pharm is about as shady as they come but we felt that it was a good idea.
have a good buddy who is captn conspiracy. he fought tooth and nail about getting his 3rd child a frikking social security number. his wife is the bread winner, he sits at home and internets it up. his kids have never been vaccinated. they are sick ALL THE TIME.
We have our own schedule for vaccinations. We do some, wait on others and skip a few. I don't even remember which ones we do or don't do, but we're on child #7 and my wife knows the routine. We regularly travel outside of the country. Because of this, we have added a few of the vaccinations that originally we did not get. PM me if you want some details.
I mean they are giving babies fresh out of the womb Hep B shots...that just doesnt seem right to me. I am not too worried about the Autistm thing it just seems like there is soo much money in these vaccinations that they are trying to push it down our throats. I know kids who are not vaccinated and are never sick..and vice versa so just trying to get a general idea.
SumItUp wrote:We have our own schedule for vaccinations. We do some, wait on others and skip a few.
bballfan84 wrote:I mean they are giving babies fresh out of the womb Hep B shots...that just doesnt seem right to me.
THESE 2 THINGS.
We didnt do the HepB. I advised the Peds Doc that as a medic, I'm well aware of the dangers of Hep and felt that my kids are not statistically at-risk of contracting it.
At least until they're 15 and start using heroin.
Get the baby stuff outta the way then think about it again after grade school.
Basically, use common sense and think about who/what your kid is around. Also, the public school system (up here, at least) requires many of them before they let your kid in the door- so bear that in mind.
JLFJR wrote:Thanks for your input, PA! Very helpful.
yeah, you don't need all of them. Like they have one for rotavirus now. My daughter got that (the sickness not the vaccine) and it sucked changing those nasty nasty diapers but it was no big deal if you don't want to pay for it. But I'm sure your kid would be appreciative if you prevented him from getting polio.
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RubberMallet wrote:major pharm is about as shady as they come but we felt that it was a good idea.
Hey. I resemble that remark. Remember, when people get sick they say 'Id give anything to be healthy". They don't say, "I'd give $5 to feel better". I sleep very well.
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I trade to Copyright it! But the bottom line is people go into healthcare to make money. Yes there is some desire to help people, but I don't see doctors working full time for free. Doctors, hospitals and Pharma companies all have programs in place to help those in need, but not everyone is in need.
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cost of medicine isn't the problem. the problem is big pharm and its hand in everything legislatively. big pharm is the sole largest lobbyer in washington.
BuryYourDuke wrote:I'm a bit torn on this as well. No kids yet, but I've thought about what I would want for them. As far as the autism link, how has that been debunked? Because "public health experts" jump up and down throwing hissy fits telling you it's not true? I haven't seen a shred of evidence to disprove a possible link.
There's no evidence that vaccines cause autism. I don't have time to look up the info on my phone right now. BTW, my wife and I both teach kids with autism.
RubberMallet wrote:cost of medicine isn't the problem. the problem is big pharm and its hand in everything legislatively. big pharm is the sole largest lobbyer in washington.
Because government is the biggest payer for prescriptions. Ask Forest Pharma about that when they were threatened with being left of the eligibility list for their products.
Also, the FDA has to approve all new drugs. So yeah, they are gonna have a big presence there. And it will only get bigger if national healthcare comes online.
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Now now Purp - let's try to leave the politics for the Obama thread
BB - My wife and I just our first and we waited two months for the shots. A lot of hospitals try to get you to do it right after they are born, but our Pediatrician said for us to just wait until her 2 month appointment because she was going to get them again then anyways. From what she's told us, babies often get a few of the same vaccinations their first year because their bodies' immune system hasn't quite rev'd up all the way yet.
To not get the vaccinations though is a huge risk. There are several diseases out there that will kill a baby if they contract them. It's really not worth the risk - so don't play into the hype online... People are crazy.
There are now outbreaks of some rare diseases like whooping cough because some people believed the nonsense that was going around aboput autism. Listen to the DR.
Humble_Opinion wrote:Now now Purp - let's try to leave the politics for the Obama thread
BB - My wife and I just our first and we waited two months for the shots. A lot of hospitals try to get you to do it right after they are born, but our Pediatrician said for us to just wait until her 2 month appointment because she was going to get them again then anyways. From what she's told us, babies often get a few of the same vaccinations their first year because their bodies' immune system hasn't quite rev'd up all the way yet.
To not get the vaccinations though is a huge risk. There are several diseases out there that will kill a baby if they contract them. It's really not worth the risk - so don't play into the hype online... People are crazy.
Yea I think we have decided to wait til our first pediatrician visit and then go over the options with the doctor. I am skeptical of both sides of the arguement.
Don't get the vaccinations that contain mercury. You'd be surprised how many of them do.
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Do your research of course, but I think the anti-vaccine crowd is a little bit crazy with it. Personally my wife and I decided to get them for our daughter but it is really not my business if people decide not to get them for their children even if I may disagree with it.
The mercury in vaccines = Thiomersal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal). Thiomersal-free versions of all vaccines are available and are probably what you're getting by default. It's rarely used in the U.S. anymore. Pretty much the only U.S. vaccines that have been produced with Thiomersal in the last 10 years has been some of the more rapidly developed influenza vaccines (See: http://www.aconversationonautism.com/Va ... Rates.aspx).
And yes, the link between autism and vaccines was a total sham based on completely falsified research data by Andrew Wakefield. Wakefield was heavily invested in a competitor to the MMR vaccine at the time and falsified a large amount of research data to create a scare toward the company he was partnered with. It became bigger than he ever could have hoped for and since he has now been banned from practicing medicine in the UK (where he's from), he's fully embraced the anti-vaccination movement and come to the U.S. to sell his B.S. full-time.
Herd immunity is important. We all have to vaccinate for herd immunity to work. There's a threshold of vaccination where, if we drop below it, herd immunity fails. If I recall, it's a pretty high percentage vaccination rate that we have to maintain. It's a hard sell because most people don't want to do anything for the betterment of society as a whole anymore. Of course, most people making decisions about vaccines right now didn't live through Polio in this country.
The thing about vaccines is that it's for the good of everyone, not just your kid. Sure, I could choose to skip a vaccine for my kid because I think the risk of him getting it is low, or because I think he's healthy enough to handle it. The problem with this is that my kid may expose a younger child (or another kid with a younger sibling) who isn't old enough to get that particular vaccination yet. The younger child's system would have a much lower percentage chance of surviving such a disease. Actually, in the case of some diseases such as chicken pox, the kids stand a better chance at fighting off than adults do. 80% of the chicken pox deaths in the United States were adults. Now that we've got the Varicella vaccine, mortality rates in the U.S. for chicken pox have dropped by 66%. Sure, not a lot of people die from it, but if we all do our part and vaccinate then hopefully no one has to.
We all stand a very low percentage of risk of being negatively affected by a vaccine, but if we all rely on other people to vaccinate to keep up herd immunity, herd immunity will fail. The recent outbreak of measles at the Super Bowl is a great example of this (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/201 ... diana.html). People are skipping the MMR vaccine out of irrational fear. And now we're starting to have to deal with measles again. If that continues, kids under a year of age will start to die in larger numbers, just like the old days.
I hope none of that comes off as too preachy. I believe everyone has the right to make their own decision about this, but I think we all have an obligation to use that right responsibly and do the rational thing.
Vaccines save lives. This video from the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation is wonderful:
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