[bradyfan]

um. find one person that thinks this kid is a hall of famer. the only one taking all this too seriously, seemingly, is you.

is it not a story that a kid who was almost cut, wasn't drafted, and isn't black is playing so well completely out of nowhere? the east is 90% awful, everyone is playing bad teams nightly. who cares? obviously tmzspn is going to go bonkers.

its once again all about the $$$. yao brought millions and millions of dollars in revenue to the nba. the nba has been looking for a feel good story to help gain viewers back from embarassing union issues and a general disinterest in the nba over the past few years. this is doing it.

Colin Cowherd said Lin's performance is comparable to Kobe Bryant...I'm not taking it seriously, I'm just saying that I think it's stupid for people to buy into a kid, as a long term solution, after only six games.

You're correct about the money and what the NBA is looking for. I'm not talking about what he's doing for the NBA or the money he's bringing in, that's great. I'm referring to his on-court performance, which I think is a lot more fluff than substance.

[From the class of 09]

Exactly, I want to get back to ESPN obsessing over "all I do is play really good until it matters James". Why ESPN decided to care about a kid who had an unlikely path to Knicks starting point guard and has averaged more points in his first 6 games as a starter then anyone since the merger is beyond me. The kid has only won six games and I don't even know what his record is. Call me when he finally wins some games like 'bron.

[bradyfan]

Exactly, I want to get back to ESPN obsessing over "all I do is play really good until it matters James". Why ESPN decided to care about a kid who had an unlikely path to Knicks starting point guard and has averaged more points in his first 6 games as a starter then anyone since the merger is beyond me. The kid has only won six games and I don't even know what his record is. Call me when he finally wins some games like 'bron.

Yeah, Lin won the games. He had all of the blocks, rebounds, assists, and steals. Forgot that he doesn't have eleven other teammates helping him

[flamehunter]

Another thing that you should know is that D'Antoni's PG's always play better than they really are.

Do you mean he gets them to actually reach their full potential?

[bradyfan]

Another thing that you should know is that D'Antoni's PG's always play better than they really are.

Do you mean he gets them to actually reach their full potential?

No, his system uses a PG in certain ways to where a PG gets alot of the stats. They generally have the ball more and they move very fast. Doesn't necessarily mean they reach their full potential. It's the same thing as being a QB at Houston or Hawaii. You're going to look a lot better than you really are. Case Keenum set NCAA records this past season, yet you don't hear his name being projected that high in the draft.

[From the class of 09]

Exactly, I want to get back to ESPN obsessing over "all I do is play really good until it matters James". Why ESPN decided to care about a kid who had an unlikely path to Knicks starting point guard and has averaged more points in his first 6 games as a starter then anyone since the merger is beyond me. The kid has only won six games and I don't even know what his record is. Call me when he finally wins some games like 'bron.

Yeah, Lin won the games. He had all of the blocks, rebounds, assists, and steals. Forgot that he doesn't have eleven other teammates helping him

Oh, wow you said they won all the games? Well as you point out I'm sure Lin didn't do everything by himself. What was his his teams record again before he got the starting pg spot? hmmm... maybe those 26ish pts a game a 9 dimes aren't really that bad. But I'm ready to move on to some real stars. Until Lin holds a decision he won't have any star power.

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[bradyfan]

Exactly, I want to get back to ESPN obsessing over "all I do is play really good until it matters James". Why ESPN decided to care about a kid who had an unlikely path to Knicks starting point guard and has averaged more points in his first 6 games as a starter then anyone since the merger is beyond me. The kid has only won six games and I don't even know what his record is. Call me when he finally wins some games like 'bron.

Yeah, Lin won the games. He had all of the blocks, rebounds, assists, and steals. Forgot that he doesn't have eleven other teammates helping him

Oh, wow you said they won all the games? We'll as you point out I'm sure Lin didn't do everything by himself. What was his his teams record again before he got the starting pg spot? hmmm... maybe those 26ish pts a game a 9 dimes aren't really that bad. But I'm ready to move on to some real stars. Until Lin holds a decision he won't have any star power.

Saying that he helped or assisted in a win is one thing, saying that he won the games is a completely different thing. To say that Lin won the games is to say that he himself was the reason that they won. You're completely discrediting the coaching or teammates that Lin has.

[RubberMallet]

um. find one person that thinks this kid is a hall of famer. the only one taking all this too seriously, seemingly, is you.

is it not a story that a kid who was almost cut, wasn't drafted, and isn't black is playing so well completely out of nowhere? the east is 90% awful, everyone is playing bad teams nightly. who cares? obviously tmzspn is going to go bonkers.

its once again all about the $$$. yao brought millions and millions of dollars in revenue to the nba. the nba has been looking for a feel good story to help gain viewers back from embarassing union issues and a general disinterest in the nba over the past few years. this is doing it.

Colin Cowherd said Lin's performance is comparable to Kobe Bryant...I'm not taking it seriously, I'm just saying that I think it's stupid for people to buy into a kid, as a long term solution, after only six games.

You're correct about the money and what the NBA is looking for. I'm not talking about what he's doing for the NBA or the money he's bringing in, that's great. I'm referring to his on-court performance, which I think is a lot more fluff than substance.

the team was a sack of crap before he started playing WITH 2 "SUPERSTARS". the knicks are dealing with a 4yr old mentality in melo and this guy is doing things to help them win ball games. put about as much stock in colin cowherd as you would skip bayliss.

fans and teams buy into a players abilities before they even step foot on a court every year. see all the stuff that people were saying about drose after 6 games in the chicago media, etc. 2 weeks in they were like, this is the guy! dude had 1 season of college ball.

there is reason to be skeptical but there is also reason to believe he's figured it out ala starks.

[lynchburgwildcats]

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Nice shot, bad defense too though. Sure Calderon contested it well, but everything he did (or didn't do I should say) before that was poor. It was blatantly obvious Lin was going to shoot a jumper as soon as he put the ball on the floor, why back off of him so much? It's not like he was going to have the time to get to the rim after his 4th dribble.

it was blatantly obvious he was going to shoot the three a few plays earlier, but he didn't. why would it be obvious when the game was tied and a 2 would win it. shooting a 3 ball to win it during a tie ball game is ncaa sillyness. it only takes a sec or so to get to the rim for an nba'er. if he didn't make that shot, everyone would be like "rookie mistake, you have to drive or create a shot for someone else". he buried it. i'd rather have a guy take a 35% chance shot than posterize me with a drive to the lane for a 50%'er.

Mid range J's aren't 50%ers, for most NBA players, contested mid range Js are the worst shot possible. that's all Lin would have been able to get at best after he dribbled four times. ANd Lin only has one dunk this year, hardly consider layups posterizing...

[lynchburgwildcats]

Yeah I heard from a guy that all Lin can do is drive too. So if I was a defender I'd sag a little and let Lin try and hit a fluke shot from outside of 5 feet.

Your friend hasn't done his research then. He struggled early but has picked it up considerably. He is shooting 46% from 3-9 feet (18-39), 54% from 10-15 feet (only taken 11 attempts though), 57% from 16 to inside the 3 arc (12-21). He is only 5-20 from three, but 3-6 in the fourth. With his TO and decision making issues, got to force him to put the ball on the floor. Just letting him just dribble into a rhythm three is completely asinine, high school players make those shots.

[lynchburgwildcats]

Sigh, I was looking forward to the NBA because I wasn't expecting another average athlete getting a ton of hype. He's only played FORTY-FOUR games.

Fixed that for you

[RubberMallet]

Mid range J's aren't 50%ers,

oh his aren't?

He is shooting 46% from 3-9 feet (18-39), 54% from 10-15 feet (only taken 11 attempts though), 57% from 16 to inside the 3 arc (12-21)

hardly consider layups posterizing...

having your face with a ohspit look on it plastered on the front page of every website is about as posterizing as you can get. regardless of what kind of shot it was.

[bradyfan]

um. find one person that thinks this kid is a hall of famer. the only one taking all this too seriously, seemingly, is you.

is it not a story that a kid who was almost cut, wasn't drafted, and isn't black is playing so well completely out of nowhere? the east is 90% awful, everyone is playing bad teams nightly. who cares? obviously tmzspn is going to go bonkers.

its once again all about the $$$. yao brought millions and millions of dollars in revenue to the nba. the nba has been looking for a feel good story to help gain viewers back from embarassing union issues and a general disinterest in the nba over the past few years. this is doing it.

Colin Cowherd said Lin's performance is comparable to Kobe Bryant...I'm not taking it seriously, I'm just saying that I think it's stupid for people to buy into a kid, as a long term solution, after only six games.

You're correct about the money and what the NBA is looking for. I'm not talking about what he's doing for the NBA or the money he's bringing in, that's great. I'm referring to his on-court performance, which I think is a lot more fluff than substance.

the team was a sack of crap before he started playing WITH 2 "SUPERSTARS". the knicks are dealing with a 4yr old mentality in melo and this guy is doing things to help them win ball games. put about as much stock in colin cowherd as you would skip bayliss.

fans and teams buy into a players abilities before they even step foot on a court every year. see all the stuff that people were saying about drose after 6 games in the chicago media, etc. 2 weeks in they were like, this is the guy! dude had 1 season of college ball.

there is reason to be skeptical but there is also reason to believe he's figured it out ala starks.

The team wasn't a sack of crap. They had just finished arguably the hardest stretch of their season just before Lin came in. They played OKC, Orlando, Denver, Miami, Philidelphia, Chicago and Boston starting from January 11 until Lin's first big game against New Jersey. What team wouldn't struggle a little bit with that stretch? The Knicks were bound to recover with or without Lin. Btw, Cowherd is generally spot on with everything he says, and he's the ONLY one at ESPN even worth listening to. Which is why I'm so shocked that he's jumped on this kid's bandwagon this early.

I understand that fans do this all the time. Just because they do it, doesn't mean they should. Additionally, I'm not even saying he's a bad player or won't be a good player. I just don't understand why so many people are putting their stock into him this early on.

Sigh, I was looking forward to the NBA because I wasn't expecting another average athlete getting a ton of hype. He's only played FORTY-FOUR games.

Fixed that for you

Yeah, I didn't care to count the 38 games where he picked pine. However, if we're going to count those games...he's only averaging 4.4 points per game.

[Purple Haize]

Reading CJ's breakdown of basketball makes me realize he has less knowledge about hoops then running political polls

[lynchburgwildcats]

Mid range J's aren't 50%ers,

oh his aren't?

It's also an extremely small sample size, based primarily on just six or seven games. In 2011, only three guys who had more than 100 field goal attempts shot over 50% from 3-9 feet. likewise, only five guys did it from 10-15 feet, and only five did it from 16 feet to inside the arc. So yes, for the entirety of a season, it is not a 50% jumper, save for 13 NBA players. Lin would be the best shooter inside the arc in the NBA without any question if he kept that up all season. Only the most crazed Lin fans would be drinking that type of kool-aid at this point.

Lin is shooting better than he is getting credit for, but it is dang near impossible for him to keep it up for a season. IF he does, then well we may be watching the best scoring guard in the NBA.

[Purple Haize]

The short and mid range jumpers are lost arts. I blame Chuck Person! When my wife and I play horse she KILLS me on those things. Of course she can't hang with the deep 3 and the trick shots! It's not just a Lin thing it's a basketball thing.

[bradyfan]

Reading CJ's breakdown of basketball makes me realize he has less knowledge about hoops then running political polls

Care to elaborate or are you just making another generalized statement that you have no way of backing up? Also, how am I breaking down basketball? I don't claim to be an expert in the sport, although I do watch a ton of it. The only basketball knowledge related statement I made had to do with D'Antoni's style of play. If that isn't true, please correct.

Mid range J's aren't 50%ers,

oh his aren't?

It's also an extremely small sample size, based primarily on just six or seven games.

Wait, I thought it was forty four? You''re getting confusing.

[RubberMallet]

The team wasn't a sack of crap.

psst 8-15 is a sack of crap. i dont' care who you play.

[RubberMallet]

Mid range J's aren't 50%ers,

oh his aren't?

It's also an extremely small sample size, based primarily on just six or seven games. In 2011, only three guys who had more than 100 field goal attempts shot over 50% from 3-9 feet. likewise, only five guys did it from 10-15 feet, and only five did it from 16 feet to inside the arc. So yes, for the entirety of a season, it is not a 50% jumper, save for 13 NBA players. Lin would be the best shooter inside the arc in the NBA without any question if he kept that up all season. Only the most crazed Lin fans would be drinking that type of kool-aid at this point.

Lin is shooting better than he is getting credit for, but it is dang near impossible for him to keep it up for a season. IF he does, then well we may be watching the best scoring guard in the NBA.

you are literally turning your self in circles and its pretty funny.

[Purple Haize]

Yes. You analogy about point guards is irrelevant. Dantonio system requires a point guard to perform one way. Jerry Sloan required them to work another. Heck, Phil Jackson never really used one. So saying it is 'the system' is ignorant. The system and the player must fit each other. Gary Payton was an outstanding PG, when George Karl was coaching. He struggled with LA, even though he had plenty of gas in the tank. Steve Nash struggled in Dallas. Did pretty good in Phoenix, even after the coaching change. The other PG's that New York has used this season really havent worked out. The reason, IMO, this kid is playing well right now is because he has nothing to lose. A week or so ago they were about ready to cut him. Now he's eating for free all over The Big Apple. Would he be as successful somewhere else? I don't know and dont care. He is doing great just where he is at.
For a similar career path look at Avery Johnson.
I will agree that the sample size could be considered small but he is trending very well.

[Purple Haize]

RUBBER I would argue having a player like Lin "posterior" you on a lay up is more embarrassing because it probably made you look silly and you got beat be being out smarted not by someone more athletic.

[From the class of 09]

Yeah I heard from a guy that all Lin can do is drive too. So if I was a defender I'd sag a little and let Lin try and hit a fluke shot from outside of 5 feet.

Your friend hasn't done his research then. He struggled early but has picked it up considerably. He is shooting 46% from 3-9 feet (18-39), 54% from 10-15 feet (only taken 11 attempts though), 57% from 16 to inside the 3 arc (12-21). He is only 5-20 from three, but 3-6 in the fourth. With his TO and decision making issues, got to force him to put the ball on the floor. Just letting him just dribble into a rhythm three is completely asinine, high school players make those shots.

Lol I was talking about you. On page one you say Lin made his living inside of 5' and you thought LA might be a fluke so you'd make him prove that he can shoot. I don't think you could be more golden right now. You really need to stop.

[bradyfan]

The team wasn't a sack of crap.

psst 8-15 is a sack of crap. i dont' care who you play.

It doesn't matter who you play?? Are you high? Dude, none of D'antoni's teams have been good against tough competition. He's never won or title or even made a conference championship for that matter. Competition absolutely matters.

Yes. You analogy about point guards is irrelevant. Dantonio system requires a point guard to perform one way. Jerry Sloan required them to work another. Heck, Phil Jackson never really used one. So saying it is 'the system' is ignorant. The system and the player must fit each other. Gary Payton was an outstanding PG, when George Karl was coaching. He struggled with LA, even though he had plenty of gas in the tank. Steve Nash struggled in Dallas. Did pretty good in Phoenix, even after the coaching change. The other PG's that New York has used this season really havent worked out. The reason, IMO, this kid is playing well right now is because he has nothing to lose. A week or so ago they were about ready to cut him. Now he's eating for free all over The Big Apple. Would he be as successful somewhere else? I don't know and dont care. He is doing great just where he is at.
For a similar career path look at Avery Johnson.
I will agree that the sample size could be considered small but he is trending very well.

Dude, you've basically proved my point that Lin is good because of the system he's in. He is a good fit for D'Antoni. In other words, much of Lin's success to this point is fluff. My analogy of how D'Antoni's PG's always have better stats than they would at another team is based on what you just said. The system that D'Antoni uses utilizes PG's different than any other coach.

[Purple Haize]

No. I'm not.
You are saying his stats are fluff because he fits the system
I'm saying his stats are legit because he fits the system.
See that's what coaches do. They have a system, then go out and get players that fit that system. At least in college and pros. By your logic, Magic Johnsons numbers are all fluff because he fit the Lakers system or Jon Stocktons numbers are all fluff because he fit the Jazz system. Lin is not Magic or Stockton good but your exclusion criteria is in need of help.
You also ignored the statement about New Yorks other point guards and did they fare under the system. Didn't Chauncey Billups have a go at the PG spot for awhile ?

[bradyfan]

A good fit would imply that both sides are a good fit. Lin is a good fit for D'Antoni and D'Antoni is a good fit for Lin. My argument is that Lin, based on his talent alone, is not what he is being hyped to be. Additionally, my other argument is that I don't know how long he can last. For right now, things are working and he's putting up nice numbers. However, what happens when they play a good team? Or what happens when they're down 3-1 in a series and have to go on the road? No one knows yet but he's being treated like he's already saved the Knick's season. All I'm saying is that people should give the situation more time before buying into him. So far, he's been fun to watch and he's definitely helped win some games. However, is he the long term option for them? Is he the next Nash? Why is it such an issue to say that Lin's stats don't prove his talent? He's in a system where many PG's could put up huge numbers and he's played teams that many PG's do put up huge numbers. How can you not see that, at this point, Lin is a lot more hype than talent? That isn't to say he isn't talented, merely that his hype isn't warranted quite yet.