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BTW, Ron Paul won the majority of delegates last night. The difference between him and the other candidates is that he's not distracted by his corporate owners and is doing everything he can to maximize the process despite nearly every media source doing everything it can to marginalize him.
NotAJerry wrote:BTW, Ron Paul won the majority of delegates last night. The difference between him and the other candidates is that he's not distracted by his corporate owners and is doing everything he can to maximize the process despite nearly every media source doing everything it can to marginalize him.
Some people should just stay out of the politics section...
"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
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LUconn wrote:ok, I hadn't asked previously because the answer would have been "He can't win anyway", but now that that's changed a little, what's everybody's problem with Santorum? He's got that obnoxious sourpuss face but other than that, he seems pretty conservative comparatively speaking, no?
The 109th Congress is considered by many to be the most corrupt in modern memory. Santorum was near the top of the list of bought and paid for corporate shills. Then there's the problem of him getting beaten by a larger percentage of the vote than any incumbent Senator in the modern era (18%). He's an awful person who is completely devoid of basic character traits like honesty and integrity. He's simply up for the highest bidder and he's got a nasty habit of doing things like stealing 80k+ in education from PA for his kids while knowingly and willingly violating state laws for that education. The group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington (CREW) compiles reports on the shady dealings of each Congress. Here's the front page for their 2006 review http://www.citizensforethics.org/index. ... ss-report/. Despite the strong lean towards Republicans who were listed, the bottom of the page points out who had, as of that point, actually been followed up on with Federal investigations. The 2011 report has 7 of 19 being Democrats. They tend to call it like they see it.
Santorum is a politician available for the right price with a history of corruption. His endorsement from evangelical leaders is further proof that that term no longer holds any meaningful merit.
Oh man, your entire reason for disliking his is because CREW said so? I'm sorry to be the one to tell you this but CREW is about as nonpartisan as moveon. Also, what does that last comment even mean? If you get an endorsement from an evangelical leader you don't have merit? Do you realize what messageboard this is?
*please disregard this post if dated before 2017 and accept my apologies*
Careful LUconn, anymore of that common sense and he'll have to foe you!
"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
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BJWilliams wrote:(well I wasnt expecting this to be my first post after 10,000 but since he asked...)
Zero...never been a fan of cheeseburgers in general
mayonaise?
Only in tuna salad...otherwise, never
well, how often do you eat tuna salad? and that's too bad about cheeseburgers, you're really missing out. that's all I eat when I go out, and I'm the picture of perfect health.
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Purple Haize wrote:You call me a dupe, I call you lacking in information. Capitalism is not pretty but economics is not a 0 sum game.
No Purple, I have way to much respect for your intellect to call you a dupe .... I posted twice (a dupe) and delete one quickly.
Everything Mitt and Bains has done is legal. And I understand venture capitalism's role in a capitalist economy. But a number of years ago Washington set up a set of rules, laws, tariffs, taxes that created an environment where the some-what wealthy could outsource American jobs to third world countries, with no environmental or labor laws (especially child labor laws) and then import the stuff back to the US to be sold to a shrinking US middle class at huge profits and become SUPER rich at others expense. Washington set this up for a small group of special interest, who happen to be their friends, family and campaign contributors. Bains seized the opportunity ... and as business fell like domino's to the new business model and were forced to get in line, Bains and Romney made a fortune over seeing the process.
What bothers me about Romney is that now he stands before us wanting to be the President running on a platform to help the middle class. I think he said the other day he wasn't worried about the poor because we have plenty of governmental programs for them, but we have to do something to fix the middle class. Do you see the hypocrisy. It's sorta like the Bains/Washington strategy ....create the crisis, get rich from it and then fix it?
Since Washington got us into this mess, and Romney obviously understands it, it's up to "you" to convince me that I should elect him to fix it. I really hope you can .... but for now I prefer Santorum. Paul is even looking better and better?
If the Republicans run Romney, Obama will eat his lunch with stuff like this .... "Bains at work with American Airlines".
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Know why people outsource jobs? Not for profit, but why pay one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world? That's what MSLSD doesnt get and I find it odd you'd post it as evidence.
"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
As of December 10, 2017, still banned from the Liberty basketball Facebook page.
well, how often do you eat tuna salad? and that's too bad about cheeseburgers, you're really missing out. that's all I eat when I go out, and I'm the picture of perfect health.
like you, its hard for me to resist a good burger. and i go balls to the wall. also burgers are a good safe food. we always end of up going out to eat with friends and they always want to go to some crappy applebees/tgifridays/chili's type place. i just get a burger 99% of the time.
jbock13 wrote:Know why people outsource jobs? Not for profit, but why pay one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world?
I don't understand your reasoning here. Corporate profit is taxed in the country it is created (by the sale) not where it is manufactured. What's the correlation? If a company made a product in china and sold it in the US they would have the same rate as if it was made in the US and sold in the US (in theory, because none of them would actually pay 35%).
jbock13 wrote:Know why people outsource jobs? Not for profit, but why pay one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world?
I don't understand your reasoning here. Corporate profit is taxed in the country it is created (by the sale) not where it is manufactured. What's the correlation? If a company made a product in china and sold it in the US they would have the same rate as if it was made in the US and sold in the US (in theory, because none of them would actually pay 35%).
Lol so why are companies outsourcing jobs then? Just for the fun of it? Are they anti-American?
"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
As of December 10, 2017, still banned from the Liberty basketball Facebook page.
jbock13 wrote:Know why people outsource jobs? Not for profit, but why pay one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world?
I don't understand your reasoning here. Corporate profit is taxed in the country it is created (by the sale) not where it is manufactured. What's the correlation? If a company made a product in china and sold it in the US they would have the same rate as if it was made in the US and sold in the US (in theory, because none of them would actually pay 35%).
Lol so why are companies outsourcing jobs then? Just for the fun of it? Are they anti-American?
TH. your sources for criticizing Willard are distressing. Lawrence ODonnel? Seriously?
I do not see the hypocracy is his statement. There are more then enough safety nets for the 'poor'. There are no safety nets for my wife and I. Streamlining government and setting conditions so that they are favorable for business and entrepreneurs to thrive is a good thing to seek.
I'm not sure why you seem to want to hold Willard's success against him. He played by the rules and was successful. He would know better then most what would have made business more successful. He would know more then most how to bring jobs back to America. He also realizes how other countries are taking advantage of us, he's talking to you China, and would help balance the playing field.
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here is the Santorum ad from 2006. While Santorum wrestles with his cozy friendship with his Democratic friends, you be the judge, is Santorum really a conservative?
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"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
As of December 10, 2017, still banned from the Liberty basketball Facebook page.
I agree with the 2006 Santorum ad .... sensible representatives do need to work together on real policy. Not policies that create scams for them and special interest to get rich.
Members of both parties now admit that the outsourcing of US manufacturing for the past 20 years has brought us to our knees. It's left millions of Americans on welfare, million in unemployment lines, has killed tax revenues and stress our national debt. It has made China rich? And a new military super power to fear? The decline has effected everyone, even those not directly evolved in manufacturing. But Washington did it anyway ... for a small group of special interest, who happen to be their friends, family and campaign contributors. Bains and Romney (legally) seized the opportunity even though they knew what it was doing to our country. Now it's time to fix it, and I have a problem voting for someone who participated in, and got rich from the scam? That's the hypocrisy I'm talking about?
Purple to me electing Romney would be like hiring the fox to fix the hole in the fence on the chicken pen. But I have to admit, he knows how big the hole is and which Swiss bank account houses the missing birds?
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Vote for Ron Paul and you won't have to worry about these things.
I know I'm raining on the parade, I'm just pointing out what's wrong with all these guys. And yes I did go after Paul for loving illegals.
"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
As of December 10, 2017, still banned from the Liberty basketball Facebook page.
ALUmnus wrote:To answer the initial question of this thread.....
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I agree.
"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
As of December 10, 2017, still banned from the Liberty basketball Facebook page.
I thought a few months ago there was a story about how the knowledge that lawmakers obtain is not considered "insider" for whatever reason and that it wasn't illegal for them to make money like that. And they all do it. In fact, I think it was posted on this very message board.
*please disregard this post if dated before 2017 and accept my apologies*
If I recall correctly congress is exempt because of course when they hold hearings and pass regulations they know how those will effect companies. Hopefully that makes sense.
"I expect this kind of baseless response out of our two resident blowhards [Jbock13] who often post for the sole purpose of being contrarian (sic) and stirring up arguments just to feel better about themselves. Don't be like them." - NAJ
As of December 10, 2017, still banned from the Liberty basketball Facebook page.
Message From Senator Burr
Votes this Week: STOCK Act
Our country is facing a grave economic crisis, unemployment is rampant and continues to rise, and our country is further in debt than ever before. Unfortunately, Congress seems unwilling to tackle these pressing, vital issues. The American people are counting on the federal government to pass legislation that will improve our economy and create jobs, and Washington should be voting on policies that will attract capital and get investors off the sidelines so they can create jobs and spur growth.
Much to my dismay, however, the Senate has spent the greater part of this week debating the STOCK Act, a law that would codify what existing law already says. I voted against this bill because it goes without saying that laws regarding insider trading that apply to the American people also apply to members of Congress and their staff. Members of Congress are elected to serve the people, not make money for themselves, and any Member or staff member who breaks the already existing insider trading laws should be held responsible.Rather than wasting time codifying laws that already exist, Washington should take up real legislation focused on what’s most important to American citizens – jobs and the economy.
On Thursday, I spoke with Jerri Jameson on WWNC about my opposition to the STOCK Act, the economy and other news of the day. In case you missed it, you can listen to the interview here or read the full transcript.
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