[back2back]

I will vote for Ron Paul and if he isn't the nominee, I wont vote in the general election for that position. Give me your lessor of two evils nonsense all you want, it is still voting for evil. As someone who believes in principles I cannot vote for someone that goes against those principles...

[ALUmnus]

So basically anyone who gets nominated who's not named "Ron Paul" is evil?

You guys realize that even if Paul would somehow become president, he wouldn't be able to do anything that he wants, with maybe the exception of foreign policy. Both sides would fight him, and he's not a guy with great powers of coercion or leadership.

Look, I love a lot of his ideas and philosophy (not all), but reality quickly shows us that most of these ideas are currently impossible.

[jbock13]

So basically anyone who gets nominated who's not named "Ron Paul" is evil?

Yes. Ask a Ron Paul supporter and they'll tell you.

[back2back]

Did not mean for it to sound that way. But that is what happened in 2008, and I was just relaying that if it is repeated, so will my vote.

Settling for whoever a particular party votes for is just sad to me, and that is why I stick with principle. Would be eliminated if we got rid of the 2-party system.

[LUconn]

Ron Paul as president would either be Ron Paul selling out, or more likely Ron Paul vetoing everything that gets to his desk. Not one single thing would be done without an override from congress. Which I don't mind. It's the foreign policy where we would be allowed to work, and that scares me quite a bit.

[Covert Hawk]

Ron Paul as president would either be Ron Paul selling out, or more likely Ron Paul vetoing everything that gets to his desk. Not one single thing would be done without an override from congress. Which I don't mind. It's the foreign policy where we would be allowed to work, and that scares me quite a bit.

So, you like Ron Paul except for his Foreign Policy, here are a few interviews arguing the case for non-intervention as being Conservative...

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Daniel McCarthy is the editor of The American Conservative magazine.

Here are a few articles for your consideration:

Do Conservatives Hate Their Own Founder? by Thomas E. Woods
Come Home, Conservatives!—to the Antiwar Conservative Movement by Thomas E. Woods
The Conservative Case Against This Monstrous War by Thomas E. Woods
No Patronizing, No Sloganeering by Thomas E. Woods
The Anatomy of the State by Murray N. Rothbard
War, Peace, and the State by Murray N. Rothbard
The Justice and Prudence of War: Toward A Libertarian Analysis by Roderick T. Long

Also, here are a few books making the case for a Conservative Non-Interventionist foreign policy:

Ain't My America: The Long, Noble History of Antiwar Conservatism and Middle-American Anti-Imperialism by Bill Kauffman
The Betrayal of the American Right by Murray N. Rothbard
Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement by Justin Raimondo
American Empire Before the Fall by Bruce Fein

[jbock13]

Ron Paul as president would either be Ron Paul selling out, or more likely Ron Paul vetoing everything that gets to his desk. Not one single thing would be done without an override from congress. Which I don't mind. It's the foreign policy where we would be allowed to work, and that scares me quite a bit.

So, you like Ron Paul except for his Foreign Policy, here are a few interviews arguing the case for non-intervention as being Conservative...

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Click here for Tom Wood's biography

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Daniel McCarthy is the editor of The American Conservative magazine.

Here are a few articles for your consideration:

Do Conservatives Hate Their Own Founder? by Thomas E. Woods
Come Home, Conservatives!—to the Antiwar Conservative Movement by Thomas E. Woods
The Conservative Case Against This Monstrous War by Thomas E. Woods
No Patronizing, No Sloganeering by Thomas E. Woods
The Anatomy of the State by Murray N. Rothbard
War, Peace, and the State by Murray N. Rothbard
The Justice and Prudence of War: Toward A Libertarian Analysis by Roderick T. Long

Also, here are a few books making the case for a Conservative Non-Interventionist foreign policy:

Ain't My America: The Long, Noble History of Antiwar Conservatism and Middle-American Anti-Imperialism by Bill Kauffman
The Betrayal of the American Right by Murray N. Rothbard
Reclaiming the American Right: The Lost Legacy of the Conservative Movement by Justin Raimondo
American Empire Before the Fall by Bruce Fein

I think you may have spent a little too much effort on this post. I got lost on the first sentence.

For the record, I actually agree that there's nothing conservative about nation building.

[RubberMallet]

"oooo his foreign policy scares me, i bit on that bs hook line and sinker..."

yet whenever i hear that i ask them what his policy is, noone without the use of google has any clue.

but we'd rather have a non decisive, cookie cutter, "my dad was a blue collar guy", type of republican.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Ron Paul on the issues is fine with me. Ron Paul on the electable scale is just barely above my shoe and Sarah Palin.

My Ideal candidate simply can not exist in a modern day beareucratic Washington, so I keep waiting only to have to settle for a "OK he'll do" over and over again.

[jbock13]

Seriously what's with the blind hatred for Sarah Palin? I think half of you would really vote for Obama over Palin.

Which, no offense, is stupid.

Disclaimer: Rooster, I don't mean you're stupid, I'm not talking about you.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Read my comment carefully. I actually Love Sarah aand what she stands for, but she has been made unelectable by the medai, those around her, and herself to a degree. I put Huckabee in that category as well.

[RubberMallet]

to the avg american you are totally right. the american people have a pretty narrow range of what their president should look/sound like. anything outside that bounds is unelectable.

its a shame. if teleprompters can make stuttertits sounds halfway decent, it will work with old timey talking paul as well. paul would stalwart spending (hopefully) and his advisors would keep his foreign policies in check. i just want to see him debate obama and make obama looking like a total blathering idiot. i assume this would take very little work for him to accomplish.

[RubberMallet]

palin has made some pretty terrible decisions since she's hit the spotlight. i don't disagree with many of her political stances but from presidential standpoint, she's a nightmare as i assume most women would be. much of the hatred towards her is totally unfounded however

[jbock13]

Read my comment carefully. I actually Love Sarah aand what she stands for, but she has been made unelectable by the medai, those around her, and herself to a degree. I put Huckabee in that category as well.

Alright I see. I guess how I feel is that we just shouldn't accept "well the media hates her". The media hates ALL Republicans.

I agree with your comments on the electability of Palin and Huckabee though.

[RubberMallet]

huckabee is unelectable to me only because (i'll break me own rule here) i don't think a president should have the eyes of a boston terrier.

[LUconn]

"oooo his foreign policy scares me, i bit on that bs hook line and sinker..."

yet whenever i hear that i ask them what his policy is, noone without the use of google has any clue.

So because people you meet don't have any clue, it isn't an issue? And then you're banking on advisers keeping him in check?

[RubberMallet]

there is no issue. and even once they do google it, every "conservative's" main beef is his stance on Israel. otherwise they say the exact same thing he says about the rest of his foreign policy.

his main stance is keep money here if at all possible. take care of our HUGE issues here before we worry about abroad.

once people realize that and not what msm shoves down their throats, there is no issue other than our love affair with israel.

but enjoy whatever nitz takes the nomination because he's antigay and antiabortion. thats gotten us places.


"HES JUST LIKE US" *VOTE VOTE VOTE*

[ALUmnus]

Do you realize how long Ron Paul has been in Congress? Even though he's for term limits? He may have higher standards and more conviction than most, but he's just as much a politician as any of the other candidates. I don't get why you're going after Pawlenty so much. Does being a Governor automatically make you the standard Republican RINObot?

[RubberMallet]

i dont' disagree with you at all. he is still a politician. he lobbied for money when we expected he wouldn't. for me his fiscal policies are just solid. more so than any other guy that we can put out there.

i'm pretty sure pawlenty is going to be the guy. thats why i pick on him. he's bland. i follow his indecisiveness up here in the midwest frequently. he's the perfect loser candidate for the GOP.

[PAmedic]

huckabee is unelectable to me only because (i'll break me own rule here) i don't think a president should have the eyes of a boston terrier.

hmmm. now that you say it- I see the resemblance. Hadnt noticed before

[RubberMallet]

you've missed your true calling my friend.

[Covert Hawk]

Ron Paul Steals the Show at Faith and Freedom Conference

Ron Paul surprised delegates at the Faith and Freedom Coalition conference last week by quoting long portions of the Bible to buttress his political views...

...while some of the speakers stumbled uncomfortably over Christian buzzwords, likely supplied by their handlers, and other speakers ignored the special character of their audience altogether, Ron Paul launched into a scriptural defense of his views.

Paul reminded his audience of the Biblical story of 1 Samuel chapter 8 when the Israelites demanded a king and God warned them what would happen. They would be burdened with taxation and the king would take their sons away to die in distant wars.

"I don't think we need a king," Paul told the audience, "and we don't need Washington to act as if they're the king of this country."

His speech evoked the largest applause and cheers of the day...

...Bill Spiegel, a former member of the Senior Bush President's Economic Council and the Southern Baptist Liaison for George H. W. Bush, says, "Much of the money that was going to evangelical lobbies in Washington is now going to Ron Paul. And the Christian leaders in Washington have been taken by surprise..."

...Perhaps his biggest applause came when he told the audience, "We have, as a people, lost our confidence and our understanding of what true liberty is all about and where it comes from. It doesn't come from the government. Our liberties come from our creator."

Click here to read the rest

[RubberMallet]

sounds CRAZY and unelectable to me

[jbock13]

Logic of a typical Ron Paul supporter: Ron Paul is God. Everyone else is the devil.

Hopefully I'm narrowed it down for you. The problem with Ron Paul is... his followers.

[Covert Hawk]

Logic of a typical Ron Paul supporter: Ron Paul is God. Everyone else is the devil

Yea, I never said that, nor believe that and neither does this article that I posted