[GoEagles]

wow, well it was a 21 footer but still

[Kolzilla41]

Looks like LU is wrapping up the 2 seed tonight. Good try Winthrop.

[GoEagles]

WU still hasn't played good ball for two halves. But really flamerbob, seeding isn't going to matter if you are in the top 4. maybe you can hang a banner in your empty rafters for the 2 seed but let's see you win a championship in someone elses gym. I'm not mad by the way. As ke$ha says "we R who we R"

[jcmanson]

maybe you can hang a banner in your empty rafters for the 2 seed but let's see you win a championship in someone elses gym.

what's that all about?

[BJWilliams]

No. Coastal would have to lose three games in total for Liberty to even have a shot.

Its pretty much a moot point now but that is whay I meant by my post...course now Coastal has to lose out and LU win out and with a final three of UNCA, G-W and CSU ( the first two in Conway), that isnt happening...

[g-webb1994]

Heartbreakers suck....tonight makes 5 conference losses by a grand total of 13 points.

However, to see the groundwork being laid by Holtmann for future success is very encouraging...this time last year, we had 7 seniors on a roster that had no direction or fire, and we didn't even make the tourney. It was not if we were going to lose, but by how much. Even our students are energized again (tonight, chanting at UNCA's Primm "wheres your baby" and "use a condom", a stretch, but took some thought I guess).

Add in Jason Dawson (Wofford transfer sitting out this year) and Max Landis (signee currently third leading scorer in Indiana hs ball at 26 a game) next year with our mix, and hope abounds.

[Kolzilla41]

WU still hasn't played good ball for two halves. But really flamerbob, seeding isn't going to matter if you are in the top 4. maybe you can hang a banner in your empty rafters for the 2 seed but let's see you win a championship in someone elses gym. I'm not mad by the way. As ke$ha says "we R who we R"

Just wanted you to know there was no ill will intended in my post. I don't think that LU had more than a 2 point lead in either game versus Coastal, neither did any other Big South team. I hoping and praying some gets lucky in the tournament and knocks them out....(looking at you GW or HP)

[GoEagles]

hey flamerbob, pardon me if i came off a little defensive in my post. my computer needs a breathalyzer during these weekend BSC games---especially against a team like Coastal or LU.

i've seen a lot of people calling the BSC down this year but I don't see it that way at all---17th in RPI is the best the conference has been since i started following. next year should be even better.

[g-webb1994]

Name any Big South team that will not be better heading into next fall.....nobody is going to be decimiated by graduation or defections. Adding Campbell won't hurt, but I don't like the scheduling format they are proposing.

FlamerBob....IMHO HPU would fare better against CCU in round one simply because they have more scoring, and a player like Barbour who can still take over a game. We just flat out don't have that yet....we have to play grind-it-out keep it in the 50's and within range in the last four minutes and hope to make a play or two...not a good match with Coastal's talent. If we play CCU within 20 Tuesday evening down there, I'll be pleased.

[WinthropEagleFan]

Name any Big South team that will not be better heading into next fall.....nobody is going to be decimiated by graduation or defections. Adding Campbell won't hurt, but I don't like the scheduling format they are proposing.

FlamerBob....IMHO HPU would fare better against CCU in round one simply because they have more scoring, and a player like Barbour who can still take over a game. We just flat out don't have that yet....we have to play grind-it-out keep it in the 50's and within range in the last four minutes and hope to make a play or two...not a good match with Coastal's talent. If we play CCU within 20 Tuesday evening down there, I'll be pleased.

Yeah, I mentioned in a thread on winthropfans that there are only 6 major impact seniors in the entire league (Corbin from WU, Warren from CSU, Gray from CCU, Moore from GWU, Williams from UNCA, and Kenon from VMI)...and even for teams losing one of those guys, that's the only hole they are having to fill going forward. Next season, the conference could be strong/competitive/experienced, with a potential of up to 20 impact seniors in the league (not counting whatever Campbell is bringing to the table).

[jbock13]

(not counting whatever Campbell is bringing to the table).

Trust me, not much.

[olldflame]

Strange as it sounds, while we have been ripping the BSC like crazy (and not without reason), rather suddenly and without a lot of fanfare it is approaching respectability in men's basketball. I could see the conference being top 15 in the RPI next year. If anyone said that just a year or 2 ago we would want to know what they were smoking.

[aredd33]

If CCU wins out all the way to the BSC title game and then lose it what are the chances of them getting a bid into the NCAA tourney?

[BJWilliams]

Pretty slim Id think...Lang could probably give a better explanation though

[ToTheLeft]

No quality wins, no SOS. They wouldn't get picked. Colorado State is on the outside looking in right now and has several wins better than CCU and a much, much tougher schedule.

[Chris Lang]

Their RPI is in the area of a lot of bubble teams, but RPI alone doesn't get you in. TTL is correct. Just no meat on the schedule. When you're hanging your hat on wins over LSU and East Carolina, that's not a good thing. Coastal's best RPI wins are the two against Liberty.

The bubble is extremely soft this year, though, so you never know. I think the only scenario in which Coastal gets considered is if it loses in the title game to Liberty, which wouldn't be a horribly RPI damaging loss.

[ATrain]

I think ODU, George Mason or VCU would get an at-large before CCU gets one.

[soccer7]

I think ODU, George Mason or VCU would get an at-large before CCU gets one.

I know it is a long shot but I could see all three of them getting in depending on how the last few games and the tourny go. All three of those teams are very good....and Hofstra is as good or better thatn CCU. I would say Richmond and JMU are as good but they seem to have fallen off here lately.

[BJWilliams]

Their RPI is in the area of a lot of bubble teams, but RPI alone doesn't get you in. TTL is correct. Just no meat on the schedule. When you're hanging your hat on wins over LSU and East Carolina, that's not a good thing. Coastal's best RPI wins are the two against Liberty.

The bubble is extremely soft this year, though, so you never know. I think the only scenario in which Coastal gets considered is if it loses in the title game to Liberty, which wouldn't be a horribly RPI damaging loss.

I was looking at their schedule before my prior post and that's about what I was thinking...LSU is tied for worst record in the SEC right now (conference and overall) and ECU is 7th in a Conference USA that isnt exactly worth writing home about either...its gonna take some time (and some quality wins) for this to become a 2 bid league

[WinthropEagleFan]

Their RPI is in the area of a lot of bubble teams, but RPI alone doesn't get you in. TTL is correct. Just no meat on the schedule. When you're hanging your hat on wins over LSU and East Carolina, that's not a good thing. Coastal's best RPI wins are the two against Liberty.

The bubble is extremely soft this year, though, so you never know. I think the only scenario in which Coastal gets considered is if it loses in the title game to Liberty, which wouldn't be a horribly RPI damaging loss.

Actually, CCU needs to root for you guys to win out until the Big South championship since there could be a chance that gets LU into the RPI top-100..that adds a little meat to the resume, though I still don't think that would be enough (if that even happens)...

[WinthropEagleFan]

Their RPI is in the area of a lot of bubble teams, but RPI alone doesn't get you in. TTL is correct. Just no meat on the schedule. When you're hanging your hat on wins over LSU and East Carolina, that's not a good thing. Coastal's best RPI wins are the two against Liberty.

The bubble is extremely soft this year, though, so you never know. I think the only scenario in which Coastal gets considered is if it loses in the title game to Liberty, which wouldn't be a horribly RPI damaging loss.

I was looking at their schedule before my prior post and that's about what I was thinking...LSU is tied for worst record in the SEC right now (conference and overall) and ECU is 7th in a Conference USA that isnt exactly worth writing home about either...its gonna take some time (and some quality wins) for this to become a 2 bid league

The 'time' part is really insignificant...it could happen any year, it just has to be a case where teams do well enough and have quality wins (and it wouldn't hurt to have two or three teams do it in the same year, so their games against each other are also considered against 'quality' opponents). Obviously that's easier said than done, but there's nothing that prevents that from happening beyond the teams actually doing it...the NCAA doesn't discriminate against the Big South due to the name or reputation of the league..there just hasn't been a case where multiple bids have been warranted.

[jimflamesfan]

Question: Does the Big South Conference regular season winner still get an automatic bid to the NIT if they lose in the Big South Tournament? So if Liberty mananged to upset Coastal, Coastal would still go to the NIT, right?

And if Coastal wins the Big South Tournament, would Liberty then get a bid to the NIT since Coastal of course would be headed to the Big Dance and LU would be next in line in the Big South?

If that's the case...coming in 2nd in the regular season at least means something. By coming in second, a team greatly increases it's chances of at least having somekind of postseason game.

[WinthropEagleFan]

Question: Does the Big South Conference regular season winner still get an automatic bid to the NIT if they lose in the Big South Tournament? So if Liberty mananged to upset Coastal, Coastal would still go to the NIT, right?

And if Coastal wins the Big South Tournament, would Liberty then get a bid to the NIT since Coastal of course would be headed to the Big Dance and LU would be next in line in the Big South?

If that's the case...coming in 2nd in the regular season at least means something. By coming in second, a team greatly increases it's chances of at least having somekind of postseason game.

The NIT still takes the regular season champ. I don't think they are obligated to take anyone from the Big South if CCU ends up winning the Big South tourney.

[olldflame]

Second place means nothing. The NIT autobid is only for teams that win the reguar season championship and get beat in the conference tournament. Coastal went last year and so did the G-W women.

[g-webb1994]

Name any Big South team that will not be better heading into next fall.....nobody is going to be decimiated by graduation or defections. Adding Campbell won't hurt, but I don't like the scheduling format they are proposing.

FlamerBob....IMHO HPU would fare better against CCU in round one simply because they have more scoring, and a player like Barbour who can still take over a game. We just flat out don't have that yet....we have to play grind-it-out keep it in the 50's and within range in the last four minutes and hope to make a play or two...not a good match with Coastal's talent. If we play CCU within 20 Tuesday evening down there, I'll be pleased.

Yeah, I mentioned in a thread on winthropfans that there are only 6 major impact seniors in the entire league (Corbin from WU, Warren from CSU, Gray from CCU, Moore from GWU, Williams from UNCA, and Kenon from VMI)...and even for teams losing one of those guys, that's the only hole they are having to fill going forward. Next season, the conference could be strong/competitive/experienced, with a potential of up to 20 impact seniors in the league (not counting whatever Campbell is bringing to the table).

With Moore being out for a big chunk this season, the playing time and adjustments made will make the loss of him alot easier to bear.

The bigger question I have is if CCU runs the table with a huge win streak into the NCAA, will they avoid any of the play-in games in Dayton as a result?