[kuntryboimike]

I think LU will keep CSU off the board enough with the first teamers to get a good margin and then the backups allow a TD or two late to bring it to the 11 point margin. I will say this though...if we get the LU that was at RMU a few weeks ago, we will definitely get beat. One thing I noticed in both the St Fran game and the Savannah State game, is that there was always one play followed by a stop on defense that seemed to light the fuse if you will. Against St Fran, it was the Pat Kelly catch and run (then the Summers hail mary catch at the half pretty much broke their back). Against Savannah St, it was actually the opening kickoff even though it was called back due to a penalty (then we go right down the field and score the TD anyway).

Now if that sequence I just referenced doesnt happen (LU scores on a big play, stops CSU or forces a turnover and then turns around and scores again), and they hang right with us, I could see them winning this time

i don't foresee a tired effortless LU team coming out

[Rooster Cogburn]

I wish I had stuck with my decision to post nothing but fact from here on out.

Danny has brought this program from a pile of poo to a very good program very quickly. Yes I am just as mift as you are about the stupid losses, but there is nothing but speculation that says that Jay Mills is a better coach. I'm glad you are sooo impressed with CSU's sub par program.

I will stand behind Danny Rocco as long as he is our coach.

[kuntryboimike]

I wish I had stuck with my decision to post nothing but fact from here on out.

Danny has brought this program from a pile of poo to a very good program very quickly. Yes I am just as mift as you are about the stupid losses, but there is nothing but speculation that says that Jay Mills is a better coach. I'm glad you are sooo impressed with CSU's sub par program.

I will stand behind Danny Rocco as long as he is our coach.

i agree. i think Danny Rocco is by far the best in the Big South. And most other conferences for that matter

[ToTheLeft]

I wish I had stuck with my decision to post nothing but fact from here on out.

Danny has brought this program from a pile of poo to a very good program very quickly. Yes I am just as mift as you are about the stupid losses, but there is nothing but speculation that says that Jay Mills is a better coach. I'm glad you are sooo impressed with CSU's sub par program.

I will stand behind Danny Rocco as long as he is our coach.

You're right, stick to facts... Please.

Danny Rocco inherited a team that was increasing focus on football. Bigger budgets, new facilities, increased school support for the team. He's got a team from 1-10 (but we were 6-5 the year before, but let's ignore that...) to now being a team that's good enough to earn some national recognition, but he's not a good enough coach to get the team ready to win all the games he needs to win. If you're happy with at least one embarrassing loss a year, then more power to you. Show me a game in the "Rocco Era" that Mills has lost that he should have won.

Hint: There's none. The lone exception was the end of Rocco's first season, when CSU were undefeated and lost to us and CCU, but CCU was very good that season, we were in the midst of our first decent season, and both games were on the road. And even then, it's tough to say those were games he "should have won".

[ToTheLeft]

I wish I had stuck with my decision to post nothing but fact from here on out.

Danny has brought this program from a pile of poo to a very good program very quickly. Yes I am just as mift as you are about the stupid losses, but there is nothing but speculation that says that Jay Mills is a better coach. I'm glad you are sooo impressed with CSU's sub par program.

I will stand behind Danny Rocco as long as he is our coach.

i agree. i think Danny Rocco is by far the best in the Big South. And most other conferences for that matter

Oh right, all his playoff wins show that he's one of the best.

[kuntryboimike]

You mean in the 5 short years he's made us a playoff capable team? yupp

[jcmanson]

Mills is favored in what 3 games a year? Not many chances to lose games you’re supposed to win. Much different than if you’re favored in 9+ games a year and everyone's gunning for you.

[kuntryboimike]

By the way no matter who our coach is, im gonna say he's better than most just because he's liberty's coach. (unless we have a terrible season). I like to think (daydream) Liberty has the best or is soon to be getting the best of everything.

[ToTheLeft]

Mills is favored in what 3 games a year? Not many chances to lose games you’re supposed to win. Much different than if you’re favored in 9+ games a year and everyone's gunning for you.

So then it shouldn't be hard to get yourself up for RMU, when they're painting it as the biggest game in their schools history, right?

It shouldn't be hard to get ready for Presby, in a season where we're trying to set up for a playoff bid.

It shouldn't be hard to get ready for Lafayette at home, a place we hadn't lost in a long time, in a season where we're building a playoff resume.

I don't buy that. Having the other team gunning for you should mean you're even more prepared because you're going to get their best shot. Alabama doesn't have a problem taking care of crappy teams they play (See: Duke). Look at some of the scores posted against RMU's league foe CCSU by CAA teams. And then we go out and do what we did against RMU. The fact that Mills can get his guys ready to win games regardless of their pre-game predictions is better than a coach who can build up talent that is supposed to win, but doesn't.

[Schfourteenteen]

i agree. i think Danny Rocco is by far the best in the Big South. And most other conferences for that matter

He certainly is paid like it

(That's fine by me.)

[jcmanson]

I agree with you that we have had an embarrassing loss every year the past few years. It's a flaw of Rocco's. No doubt. He needs to get that corrected in order for us to take the next step with this program. There's no denying that and I wouldn't argue that with you.

Comparing those losses to what Mills does with CSU is apples and oranges. You can't compare the 2 as the athletic programs are SO different.

Last I checked we've won 8+ games in 3 straight (soon to be 4) seasons. Not exactly what I'd call "building up talent that is supposed to win, but doesn't."

[Rooster Cogburn]

....Danny Rocco inherited a team that was increasing focus on football. Bigger budgets, new facilities, increased school support for the team. He's got a team from 1-10 (but we were 6-5 the year before, but let's ignore that...) to now being a team that's good enough to earn some national recognition....

Well crud, we should have just kept Karcher. Man this conversation is absolutely absurd.

And TTL and SCH14 I apologize that I just do not have your wealth of Football knowledge.

I am a HUGE fan of Liberty Football and Danny Rocco, and always will support them. We have NEVER been to the playoffs in the history of our Football program not just under Rocco. He has gotten us closer than anyone ever has, and I believe he will take the team there this year. I have no clue why we lost the games you listed because I'm not a coach, but I do trust the coaching staff to get the most out of the talent we have. Just because you have chosen to make the '10 team better on PAPER than the '09 team doesn't necessarily mean they are. The individual talent level may indeed be better when all is said and done, but this team has a lot of maturing and learning to do. This is a very good team, just not yet quite as good as some of us had them on paper.

[jcmanson]

Rooster, you just have to realize where TTL stands (not sure about 14 as he seems to be joking all the time). TTL thinks that "because of these embarrassing losses DR is not the guy for the job. He's had his chances and now it's time for him to step aside. His Defense is a joke. We open the checkbook for him like Steinbrenner does for the Yankees and we should be top 10 by now. We're not so DR needs to be fired. Oh and Jeff Barber makes horrible coaching hires!!!"

[Rooster Cogburn]

Rooster, you just have to realize where TTL stands (not sure about 14 as he seems to be joking all the time). TTL thinks that "because of these embarrassing losses DR is not the guy for the job. He's had his chances and now it's time for him to step aside. His Defense is a joke. We open the checkbook for him like Steinbrenner does for the Yankees and we should be top 10 by now. We're not so DR needs to be fired. Oh and Jeff Barber makes horrible coaching hires!!!"

That's it, I want TTL and Danny Rocco in a steel cage match!

[From the class of 09]

Mills is favored in what 3 games a year? Not many chances to lose games you’re supposed to win. Much different than if you’re favored in 9+ games a year and everyone's gunning for you.

So then it shouldn't be hard to get yourself up for RMU, when they're painting it as the biggest game in their schools history, right?

It shouldn't be hard to get ready for Presby, in a season where we're trying to set up for a playoff bid.

It shouldn't be hard to get ready for Lafayette at home, a place we hadn't lost in a long time, in a season where we're building a playoff resume.

I don't buy that. Having the other team gunning for you should mean you're even more prepared because you're going to get their best shot. Alabama doesn't have a problem taking care of crappy teams they play (See: Duke). Look at some of the scores posted against RMU's league foe CCSU by CAA teams. And then we go out and do what we did against RMU. The fact that Mills can get his guys ready to win games regardless of their pre-game predictions is better than a coach who can build up talent that is supposed to win, but doesn't.

Wait TTL is critical of something (someone)

[SumItUp]

14 is bringing it today

He has been doing that for the last few months. He already has my vote for Poster of the Year.

[Schfourteenteen]

Hmm. This thread? Well

Danny IS the guy for this job right now - and really it's his until he decides to leave. He is also (naturally) overrated by some here. He walked into a much better situation than "1-10 trailing DII Concord in the 3rd Quarter" suggests. The program continues to get better - something that isn't just the work of Rocco, but he's a major part of it. The winning is all on him. Losing to teams we shouldn't - on him. The fact that he has yet to beat a playoff team - on him. He is a better coach than Mills. I still stand by my statement that I don't know if Rocco could do what Jay does at CSU - what he has done is nothing short of a miracle.

Rooster if you don't like me pushing you around, go write Danny Rocco a note and send it to him.

[BJWilliams]

Despite our disagreements Sch14 would have my vote for poster of the year as well

[Schfourteenteen]

That's it, I want TTL and Danny Rocco in a steel cage match!

As a fundraiser. And all the proceeds go to CSU's football team so Jay Mills can take them to the top 10!

[jcmanson]

Danny IS the guy for this job right now - and really it's his until he decides to leave. He is also (naturally) overrated by some here. He walked into a much better situation than "1-10 trailing DII Concord in the 3rd Quarter" suggests. The program continues to get better - something that isn't just the work of Rocco, but he's a major part of it. The winning is all on him. Losing to teams we shouldn't - on him. The fact that he has yet to beat a playoff team - on him. He is a better coach than Mills. I still stand by my statement that I don't know if Rocco could do what Jay does at CSU - what he has done is nothing short of a miracle.

Very well said

[Rooster Cogburn]

He walked into a much better situation than "1-10 trailing DII Concord in the 3rd Quarter" suggests.

As someone who was following the program well at the time I'd like to hear more of an explanation on this. That team was a disaster.

Also, what makes Mills the next Bill Bellachick?

[jcmanson]

Despite our disagreements Sch14 would have my vote for poster of the year as well

No way. Beej you are THE flamefans poster of the year. Every year.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Danny IS the guy for this job right now - and really it's his until he decides to leave. He is also (naturally) overrated by some here. He walked into a much better situation than "1-10 trailing DII Concord in the 3rd Quarter" suggests. The program continues to get better - something that isn't just the work of Rocco, but he's a major part of it. The winning is all on him. Losing to teams we shouldn't - on him. The fact that he has yet to beat a playoff team - on him. He is a better coach than Mills. I still stand by my statement that I don't know if Rocco could do what Jay does at CSU - what he has done is nothing short of a miracle.

Very well said

And yes, I would agree with Most of this except the team not being that bad when he took over.

[Rooster Cogburn]

Despite our disagreements Sch14 would have my vote for poster of the year as well

No way. Beej you are THE flamefans poster of the year. Every year.

I once got ROTY before everyone hated me, haha.

So what about that CSU game boys?

[ToTheLeft]

I agree with you that we have had an embarrassing loss every year the past few years. It's a flaw of Rocco's. No doubt. He needs to get that corrected in order for us to take the next step with this program. There's no denying that and I wouldn't argue that with you.

Comparing those losses to what Mills does with CSU is apples and oranges. You can't compare the 2 as the athletic programs are SO different.

Last I checked we've won 8+ games in 3 straight (soon to be 4) seasons. Not exactly what I'd call "building up talent that is supposed to win, but doesn't."

DII's, VMI, Presby (almost everytime), G-W, random NEC team, random MEAC team, sure, 8 wins. If we base it off win totals alone we're ignoring the games actual games. If you want to just win 8 games a year but never be a contender, then fine. I want to look back and say "We took care of business, we didn't come out flat against an inferior team, and we're truly a national contender". I haven't been able to say that since Rocco has been here, because there's no consistency. 07 was the most consistent we've been, and that was only after we got punched in the mouth to start the season.