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By PastorZack
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Cart got his shoulder hut...poooooor baby....that hit was not near as bad as the Michael Bennett/Kellen Heard hits that he took.

btw...this was the 60 year old Jordan Shipley's final game at t.u. or WAS it????

:P :P :P :P

hey sly, how many kleenex's did you use after the fifth play?
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JK37 wrote:
LUnpretty11 wrote:Saban is a jerk. Period
Why? Did I miss something in the post-game interviews?
When you're up by 10 with a minute and a half to go, you don't try to score again. Kneel the ball down a few times and make the score respectable. Instead, he had his guys drive down the field to score with 30 seconds left. He's a jerk.

I think Corso lost a lot of money last night, which is why it seemed like he had a stroke or about to have a heart attack.
By ALUmnus
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Colt getting hurt was such a huge disappointment. Sure it got close at the end, but this should have been better game. I know Gilbert's only a freshman, but he was an emotional wreck for most of this game, he wasn't ready for this at all (and who would really expect him to be). His eyes were glued to Shipley the second the center would snap the ball.
By ALUmnus
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LUnpretty11 wrote:
JK37 wrote:
LUnpretty11 wrote:Saban is a jerk. Period
Why? Did I miss something in the post-game interviews?
When you're up by 10 with a minute and a half to go, you don't try to score again. Kneel the ball down a few times and make the score respectable. Instead, he had his guys drive down the field to score with 30 seconds left. He's a jerk.
There's no rule against this, nor should there be. Alabama didn't owe Texas any respect. The score looked like it should have with the number one team playing against a backup quarterback.
By 4everfsu
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BuryYourDuke wrote:Texas got more respect than they deserved by being there.

Alabama & Boise State...national champions.
Now that would have been an interesting game. Who knows, maybe they will meet next year.
By JK37
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LUnpretty11 wrote:
JK37 wrote:
LUnpretty11 wrote:Saban is a jerk. Period
Why? Did I miss something in the post-game interviews?
When you're up by 10 with a minute and a half to go, you don't try to score again. Kneel the ball down a few times and make the score respectable. Instead, he had his guys drive down the field to score with 30 seconds left. He's a jerk.

I think Corso lost a lot of money last night, which is why it seemed like he had a stroke or about to have a heart attack.
He let off the gas once, and that allowed UT back in. To me, he still had more to prove. He did that by calling all running plays and shoving it down the throat of a defense hell-bent on stopping his offense to get another shot to score.

He still had to prove to the nation, that even with Colt McCoy, they would've deserved to win.

He still had to prove his team was #1.

With that last drive, he did that.
By olldflame
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I think their chances are better next year than any prior non BCS school's have been. So much has to do with where you are ranked to start and how many teams you have to jump. Talk is that Boise could start out as high as 4 next year.
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By Th3rd
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Boise's year is next year.. im calling it right now... they only lose 1 starter. 1 starter!! that right there puts them near the top in preseason in my book.... Boise State deserves to get at least a shot at a title

though i am not liking all this talk about what if or because mccoy wasnt in it wasn't as good a game as it should have been....

you never really know things like that, mccoy could have won the game for UT, and he could have thrown 6 INTs and it been a blowout... there is no what ifs haha
By NG33
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ALUmnus wrote:Uh, Boise St. was actually the inferior team in their bowl game, despite the win.
And how could that be proven? Because some analysts on ESPN thought so? It was pretty evident that both teams showed up to prove they deserved to be in a BCS bowl. Boise just showed that it was better team out there. Like TCU showed they were better than Boise last year by beating them 17-16 in the Poinsettia Bowl
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BuryYourDuke wrote:
4everfsu wrote:
BuryYourDuke wrote:Texas got more respect than they deserved by being there.

Alabama & Boise State...national champions.
Now that would have been an interesting game. Who knows, maybe they will meet next year.
Not as long as the perverse, convoluted system we have now is in place. Boise State is eliminated before the season starts because they weren't good back in the 50's.
Or maybe because they have a SOS in the 80's, even after a big bowl game. I mean, with that conference, adding a I-AA team to the OOC schedule was a necessary thing to make sure the players were fully rested. :lol:
By uncafan
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4everfsu wrote:
BuryYourDuke wrote:Texas got more respect than they deserved by being there.

Alabama & Boise State...national champions.
Now that would have been an interesting game. Who knows, maybe they will meet next year.

seriously? don't even start with that. I'm going to avoid the obvious pitfall of talking about the Oregon game... But it was pretty clear BSU was not as good as either of those teams last night.

And as for the reason Boise got so high (in the rankings) early in the year and then dropped, its because they played HORRIBLY at times during their season. For those of you with short memories:

-Almost lost to UC Davis in wk 5. as they were only able to muster a SINGLE TD in the 1st half
-Following up that performance by nearly losing to 'powerhouse program' Tulsa in wk 6
-and then of course giving up 35 points to another 'powerhouse BCS program' La Tech in wk 9.
-Might as well though in wk. 12 where they gave up 33 points to Nevada

As someone said next year is their chance. They have some solid teams on the schedule (i.e. more than one) and they'll likely start the year in the top 5. You can't expect not to drop during the year with performances like that. Other top BCS schools also dropped during the year when they had bad weeks -- it comes with the territory. And when you have multiple bad weeks in a row against not only non-BCS, but also non D-1a schools, what do you want the pollsters to do?

And BTW if you look at the rankings week by week after that Oct 18th (i think) near disaster with UC Davis BSU still stayed in the top 5. It wasn't until after their bye week and then even closer win against Tulsa that they dropped. And when they dropped they were passed by undefeated Iowa, and 1-loss USC and Va Tech who both had much more impressive wins at the time. You wanna say BSU deserved to be in the championship game? Why weren't you saying that Oct 25th? I don't think anyone was. People were SAYING it about UF/Texas/Bama on Oct 25th.
By uncafan
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And the real reason I came over here this afternoon. Normally I find Yahoo Blog's/writers absolutely awful. Especially Dan Wetzel -- they aren't on ESPN so they feel the need to be excessively dramatic and outlandish to get attention... But I really enjoyed this article, especially the bit about Colt trying to play catch with his Dad to prove he could go back into the game:


http://tiny.cc/wrclE
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By Cider Jim
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Paging Sly. Maybe the biggest game of his life, and there's not a single post from him. :dontgetit
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BuryYourDuke wrote:Did Texas drop in the polls after looking excessively awful, while still winning against a far inferior Nebraska team? No. Why? They are in the little club of teams allowed to win the national championship.

Boise can't get good out of conference games b/c teams don't want to play them...sort of like Liberty.
How come they haven't done anything for the past DECADE than. They are the winningest team of the past decade with several undefeated seasons, yet they cannot get anyone to play them. Do you honestly believe it is a conspiracy when HALF the top 10 teams played at least 3-4 top 25 ranked teams during their season? They are just NOW trying to schedule people, but most big programs schedule YEARS in advance. Why didn't Boise State start this process following the Oklahoma victory?

I'll make a prediction for you. Boise State isn't in the BCS championship game the next 3-4 years, but will still complain about lack of respect while posting a sub 80's SOS. The reason why they won't make a BCS championship game, cause they continue to play a season filled with one ranked opponent, and finish the season with a ranked opponent in a bowl game. In case BSU hasn't figured it out yet, the BCS has NEVER rewarded a team with an SOS above 70 a BCS title game. Maybe Boise can change that next season. Regardless, it serves BSU to be the victims in the BCS system, and it would be foolish if they gave that up. They are making WAY too much money as a victim.
It's a no win situation for a big time program to play Boise State. If you are in the SEC, Pac 10, Big 10, or Big 12...why play a single tough OOC game? You have nothing to gain. Everything to lose. Florida has it figured out. If you are in one of those four conferences and you go undefeated you are nearly guaranteed a birth in the title game. Why mess it up with a tough OOC game?


Why does Ohio State, USC, Alabama, etc. play a tough OOC schedule than? Regardless, Boise has a HUGE advantage over most BCS schools. They don't have any real opponents in their conference. So if a team like Alabama were to schedule Boise State and have a hard fought game, they get to drag their wounded team into another game (maybe even a conference game) the next week that could be VERY difficult. Boise doesn't have to do that. Boise's toughest games last year came in week one (probably the healthiest time of the year for teams) and their bowl game (after a month long prep and rest time)
Especially to a lowly non-BCS program that has a reputation for slaying giants.
This is the "victim" mentality I'm talking about. How is BSU considered a "lowly" anything? They had SEVERAL nationally televised games, are always in the top 15 BCS schools year in and year out. A win and even a loss to Boise State is better than 80% of the conference wins from all BCS schools!
You probably despise Wetzel's writing b/c he intelligently opposes the system you obviously support.
Who? And why do I "obviously" support the BCS system just because I think a team with a SOS in the 80's doesn't deserve a national title shot every other year?

You do know that Stanford would have gone undefeated with Boise State's season schedule. (having destroyed Oregon) We know Stanford is DEFINITELY not one of the top 2 teams in the a nation (although they had a GREAT year and are easily top 20).

I do feel for Boise State and their fans, but it's not like they haven't been doing this for a LONG time now. They either go to take desperate measures, or get used to getting a HUGE payday every other year in getting a BCS bowl game, but not getting a BCS championship game. (I really think they are comfortable with that, even though they say something else)
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By ALUmnus
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NG33 wrote:
ALUmnus wrote:Uh, Boise St. was actually the inferior team in their bowl game, despite the win.
And how could that be proven? Because some analysts on ESPN thought so? It was pretty evident that both teams showed up to prove they deserved to be in a BCS bowl. Boise just showed that it was better team out there. Like TCU showed they were better than Boise last year by beating them 17-16 in the Poinsettia Bowl
No, because I said so. I don't care what people on espn say, I despise the way espn does things. But from watching that game, it was apparent the TCU had a superior team, but their offense just didn't show up for a big-time game. The analysts kept going ga-ga over Boise's qb, but honestly he didn't look that good, especially on the long-ball. Just from watching the game, TCU had a better team than Boise St. My opinion.
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BuryYourDuke wrote:I don't know why USC, Ohio State, and the like schedule tough OOC games. It does them no favors. It is much more intelligent to go the Florida route if you want to get to the national championship. More and more teams will figure that out if the system doesn't change.

Sorry about the Wetzel comment. I got you and another poster confused. I don't think Boise is the best team in the nation, or the second best. The two best teams in the nation played the SEC championship game. It doesn't change the fact that we have a system where 95% of the teams in the nation are eliminated from title contention before the season begins. It's not a real championship.
I can understand your frustration. The one thing I don't want to see though is a 16 team tournament in Division I. The regular season is a GREAT thing, because each week is worth something. I don't want to see a FLORIDA type OOC schedule from all the teams.

I'd like to see a schedule that sets BCS conferences to play other BCS conferences each year, and forces them to play 2 other conference teams in their OOC schedule every year. The other two OOC games can keep current rivalries going. In other words, the Pac 10 teams will have a random drawing where each team plays another team from the Big 12. The SEC will play teams from the ACC. The Big Ten will play teams from the Big East, and then the the conferences will switch. When conferences have teams that do not have equal number of teams, than you choose non BCS conference teams that finished in the top 40 last year (i.e. Boise State, Utah, TCU, etc.) to fill in the gaps.

Obviously some teams will get a worse draw, but it would ensure that teams wouldn't be able to pad their schedule. Even if they get a hard OOC schedule, they can still win their conference and get an automatic bid.

At the end of the season you give your BCS conference champs 5 spots, and the next 3 teams in the BCS take up the remainder of the spots. An 8 team tourney would eliminate most of the complaining IMO. You would need 7 BCS bowl games, but I think you could use one spot to host a game 2 weeks in a row (i.e. Pasadena this year), or even have a game that is played in the afternoon, followed by another game later that night at the same site earlier in the tournament.

Obviously this is a dream, but I firmly believe that you cannot give BSU a championship game with the schedule they continue to produce.
By uncafan
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BuryYourDuke wrote:Did Texas drop in the polls after looking excessively awful, while still winning against a far inferior Nebraska team? No. Why? They are in the little club of teams allowed to win the national championship.

Boise can't get good out of conference games b/c teams don't want to play them...sort of like Liberty.
:lol: you don't know how hard I'm laughing right now. First, Boise can't get an Ohio State (USC, Florida, etc.) to COME to boise because those teams won't play in a stadium that is 1/2-1/3 the size of their stadium. It doesn't make any sense financially. If Boise was willing to go on the road to those teams trust me, they'd schedule them. But Boise doesn't WANT to go on the road to them. Jim Rome had Peterson on (I believe Wednesday, could be wrong on the day) -- and he ASKED HIM this question (why don't you have the BIG opponents yet). He said that they would love to schedule home & home's but can't because of their stadium size so they are trying to schedule single neutral site (like with Va Tech next year) games in the future. He also said they feel like they have a good mix next year with Oregon St. & Va Tech. BSU want's no part of the swamp, horseshoe etc.

Duke -- did you read my post? Come on now. I went week by week in the polls and pointed out that BSU *didn't* drop after one bad showing, but after 3 weeks of other teams playing better. And two weeks of BSU playing awful (plus a bye week) they dropped 3 spots. They then came back after a win, and played even worse in two of their next 3 games.

Nebraska is not an awful team -- I'd take them over BSU any day of the week because of their defense. Furthermore, a conference championship game/close conference game is much different than a near lose to UC Davis. I mean come on now -- name another team in a BCS bowl that nearly lost to a team that bad? There might be one -- but not that I'm aware of. If *anything* you could make the argument that TCU (because of their impressive wins) should've jumped when Texas struggled -- but I guess you can't really do that now.

So just to be clear here .... All you BSU/TCU promoters are telling me that the Boise/TCU team we saw earlier this week, would have had a chance to win that game last night? Did you watch the game last night?
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