[rueful]

just copy and paste all of the above

[LUconn]

Here's the deal with this guy. He's a pretty good basketball player and he seems always be proving people wrong.

However, he's not good enough to be THE man. He's a good role player. Opportunistic and scrappy. That kills other teams when they have somebody else they have to worry about more so than him. Because of these limitations this year, he's not that great. Maybe that'll change since, like I already said, he always seems to prove the haters wrong. But until that does change, how about less whining to the refs at the expense of getting back on defense, and a little less glaring at your young teammates when they screw up.

But I would love for him to prove me wrong.

[SuperJon]

I would like for Kyle to take the open three's he gets instead of putting the ball on the floor and trying to drive. He has a quick enough release to take that shot. In the past two games, he has attempted four shots from behind the arc out of 19 field goal attempts. He's getting away from the type of player that made him what he is today.

I would also like to see him to the ball straight to the basket when driving in for a layup. The past two games, when he has gone to the basket he has tried to throw his body into the defender and then flip up a shot hoping for the highlight 3-point play. Instead, he's missed most of them and didn't get the foul call. The referee will not call a foul on the defensive player if the offensive player initiates contact in the air.

I would like Kyle to stop complaining about calls. There was a play in the first half tonight where he didn't get a call, looked at the ref, then took a cheap shot that didn't get called on the player with the ball as a type of "pay back." Anytime he doesn't make a shot, he complains about the call. Referees talk. There's a reason he's not getting calls.

I would like Kyle to act like a leader on the court. When Jesse sees a player make a mistake, he walks up to them and talks to them about it, gives em a pat on the back, and moves on to the next play. When Kyle sees a player make a mistake, he glares at them like he can't believe someone wouldn't be perfect.

I would like Kyle to act like Kyle of two years ago. I'd like for him to act like the walk on that knew his role and took the chances that he was given. He is the most talented scorer on this team, but he's not playing like Kyle Ohman. He's trying to do too much and getting away from what made him who he is.

Kyle has shown what he's capable of doing. He is getting open looks right now. He just isn't taking them.

This team will go as Kyle Ohman goes. If Kyle can keep his attitude in check and play with a controlled intensity, knock down a few shots, and be a leader then we can have success. If he continues to whine when things don't go right, continues to try to be a player he isn't, and plays like the past two games, we won't have success.

I know that Kyle can play under control and lead this team. I saw it in some of the pre-season practices. I saw him on the court taking the extra shots to make himself better. He's just got to control himself. He can lead this team. And quite frankly, we need him to.

[LUnpretty11]

I know Kyle has been frustrating to watch this year. Last year he had two great scorers (Smith and the other one) that were able to take a HUGE amount of the pressure and attention off of Kyle. Now that we clearly don't have that, he's trying too hard. Yes, he's playing poorly, missing wide open shots and complaining WAY too much.... but I think he's trying to carry the weight of the whole team on his shoulders. Now that Baker is injured, it will probably continue.

As frustrating as it is, I am sick and tired of our own fans booing him and yelling at him to get off the court and telling him he sucks. The Clemson game was an a complete embarrassment to listen to the things people were saying to him. He plays for OUR University. He wears LIBERTY across his jersey, no matter how poorly he plays, or how frustrating it is to watch him struggle (along with the rest of the team) he does NOT deserve the treatment he has received, and it seriously needs to stop! Anytime I struggled during a bball game, the very LAST thing I wanted was someone from MY OWN school telling me I suck and counting my steps as I get off the court. Seriously folks, let's try and not be complete douches toward our own players....

[Hold My Own]

People boo'd him? I may have under estimated our fans and their basketball IQ and attention span.

[LUnpretty11]

Yes. There was actually quite a bit of booing during the CU game.

[BJWilliams]

I agree with LUnpretty. As rough as it is to watch Kyle do some of the things he does, he is still part of our team. I was thinking as I was leaving the game and ODU is a very good team but think about this...their leading scorer coming in was Gerald Lee...he finished with 4 points. Keyon Carter, who came in averaging 5 points led the way for them tonight. He stepped up (along with a couple others). as much as we dont want Kyle trying to score so much (and take some seriously debatable shots), did anybody try to step up for us tonight (even when we got down early)? No. Until somebody steps up their game (whether its Carter or Evan or David or Chris or whoever) we're gonna continue to struggle to score and that isnt good for anybody.

[LUnpretty11]

O and Kyle had 17 points. 10 more than the second highest, which was Gordon. Just thought I would through that out there.... That's 42% of our teams scoring.....

[Cider Jim]

Did you check the box score? He did it on 5-21 shooting. If my math is correct, that's 23%. But we was a perfect 7-7 in free throws.

[Rocketfan]

Seriously folks, let's try and not be complete douches toward our own players....

If you act like a d----- on the court and don't produce....expect the fans to treat you accordingly.

[LUnpretty11]

Yes I did look, and yes 23% is bad. But hey, at least he was scoring. Wasn't trying to say it was superb, but he was attacking the bucket, when no one else was, and he was making an effort, maybe too hard of one, but an effort none-the-less. We all agree he is lights out from the line.... as he should be.

[quote="Rocketfan"][quote="LUnpretty11"] Seriously folks, let's try and not be complete douches toward our own players....[/quote]

If you act like a d----- on the court and don't produce....expect the fans to treat you accordingly.[/quote]

Don't think your right on this one. Sure, he complains a lot, and sometimes has reason too, but he is not at all as bad as you just portrayed him. He has never looked into the crowd and said something, he hasn't (from my 2 years of watching him play) ever been a jerk to his team, so I'm not seeing where your lining up with that comment. Even still, the fans should never treat their own player like that. I don't care how frustrated, mad, or embarrassed you are to see him out there struggling. And in all reality, the ONLY reason you said what you just did, is because he's a Senior, and his efforts are a lot more exaggerated than anyone elses. Gordon air-balled a shot and nearly two others. No other player had above 7 points, and for some reason we all think it's okay to be ridiculously rude and jerks ourselves to our own player!? Come on, let's be real! You seriously no nothing of how to treat your own team if that is what you think. KO is more frustrated his performance is bad than you and me are. We all know he hasn't done well at all. He doesn't need us in his ear ---- especially his own fans!!!----- about his play.

Ridiculous.

[olldflame]

Right now Kyle is being forced into a role somewhat like Larry Blair in his Junior year when we weren't getting scoring from anyone else. I saw Larry Blair play. Larry Blair was a favorite player of mine. Kyle Ohman is no Larry Blair, and even with LB scoring over 22 a game that year, it was one of the worst seasons in our program's history. We clearly need to get more balanced scoring.

[LUconn]

we ran a kid out of here a few years ago. A juco transfer with RD. Rashad something or other. I can't remember his last name. Robinson maybe? He was our starting post player and missed pretty much every layup he had. He seemed to get real down on himself which was compounded by us yelling things at him. And it was obvious he would get mad at us. I always kinda felt bad about that. But he would have been awful with or without us making it worse.

I'm not for people booing Kyle, those people should be punched in the stomach. They're like the guys I heard on 90.9 the other morning after the Clemson game. They were "breaking things down" and yet readily admitted they couldn't name any of our players.

[Jesus First]

If Kyle Ohman continues this bad play untill big south play. Than i say layer needs to seriously consider getting are younger players a opportunity to start. If this is a Rebuilding year, Start to rebuild and let are younger players have a opportunity to step up.Depending on Kyle Ohman during a rebuilding year is a major mistake.

[LUnpretty11]

I am talking about the LUnatics who definitely can name our players. Like I've said, I don't care how poorly the player is performing... the fans are there to support. Not say the garbage I have heard the last two games.
Example: Kyle complains a no call on a shot he had. LUnatic says "Stop complaining Kyle, you wouldn't have made it anyway!" .... or "Congratulations Kyle! Your FG % is now 3!"
That's crap! I don't care to hear any of your comments about our team, and neither does the team itself, especially KO. You (ex. from above) clearly do not deserve to be a LUnatic.... Unless my perception of the LUnatics is completely wrong..... This dude needs to get off his throne and learn how to be a fan. It's okay to be frustrated, I grew up in Cincinnati for crying out loud. The 13 years I lived there, they had 13 straight losing seasons.... Still a fan. Never once ridiculed my team. God upset, and annoyed they couldn't win, but would NEVER say the stuff that these people are saying.

[ToTheLeft]

Example: Kyle complains a no call on a shot he had. LUnatic says "Stop complaining Kyle, you wouldn't have made it anyway!" .... or "Congratulations Kyle! Your FG % is now 3!"

One of these statements was from a LUnatic, and that will be addressed. The other was not a LUnatic, and was someone with no basketball IQ. That was the people behind us who had no idea how the game is played.

[LUnpretty11]

Thanks for the clarification TTL. Both are still inexcusable.

[ToTheLeft]

Agreed. The KO issues within the LUnatics will be handled. The booing and ignorant comments from behind us, you can call them out if you want.

[olldflame]

If Kyle Ohman continues this bad play untill big south play. Than i say layer needs to seriously consider getting are younger players a opportunity to start. If this is a Rebuilding year, Start to rebuild and let are younger players have a opportunity to step up.Depending on Kyle Ohman during a rebuilding year is a major mistake.

Ewe lose all credibility when ewe type "are" instead of "our", not once, but twice in the same post.

Hope you enjoyed that Cider.

[LUconn]

Another Bengals fan? Incredible. Would you like to be in our mafia? It carries with it no benefitsexcept your name being on a list

[SuperJon]

Example: Kyle complains a no call on a shot he had. LUnatic says "Stop complaining Kyle, you wouldn't have made it anyway!" .... or "Congratulations Kyle! Your FG % is now 3!"

One of these statements was from a LUnatic, and that will be addressed. The other was not a LUnatic, and was someone with no basketball IQ. That was the people behind us who had no idea how the game is played.

A LOT of stuff gets blamed on The LUnatics when it isn't The LUnatics that do it. If something happens that's over the line, you better believe we take care of it ourselves.

[LUnpretty11]

May be true. I'm just pointing out what I clearly heard. And when it comes from the first 2 rows, it naturally gets associated with LUnatics, because that is where they always are standing. I have nothing against the LUnatics whatsoever. I love it actually. That just happened to be where I heard the comments flowing in...

[LUnpretty11]

[quote="LUconn"]Another Bengals fan? Incredible. Would you like to be in our mafia? It carries with it no benefitsexcept your name being on a list[/quote]

That would be great! Where do I sign lol?

[Rocketfan]

Yes I did look, and yes 23% is bad. But hey, at least he was scoring. Wasn't trying to say it was superb, but he was attacking the bucket, when no one else was, and he was making an effort, maybe too hard of one, but an effort none-the-less. We all agree he is lights out from the line.... as he should be.

Seriously folks, let's try and not be complete douches toward our own players....

If you act like a d----- on the court and don't produce....expect the fans to treat you accordingly.

Don't think your right on this one. Sure, he complains a lot, and sometimes has reason too, but he is not at all as bad as you just portrayed him. He has never looked into the crowd and said something, he hasn't (from my 2 years of watching him play) ever been a jerk to his team, so I'm not seeing where your lining up with that comment. Even still, the fans should never treat their own player like that. I don't care how frustrated, mad, or embarrassed you are to see him out there struggling. And in all reality, the ONLY reason you said what you just did, is because he's a Senior, and his efforts are a lot more exaggerated than anyone elses. Gordon air-balled a shot and nearly two others. No other player had above 7 points, and for some reason we all think it's okay to be ridiculously rude and jerks ourselves to our own player!? Come on, let's be real! You seriously no nothing of how to treat your own team if that is what you think. KO is more frustrated his performance is bad than you and me are. We all know he hasn't done well at all. He doesn't need us in his ear ---- especially his own fans!!!----- about his play.

Ridiculous.

Did you transfer in from St. Marys School for blind kids? LOL Kyle has has complained and done his not so subtle looks (to players and officials) since day one when something doesn't go as he sees it.

Your right he hasn't looked into the crowd and said something, but i have witnessed him turn a cold shoulder to fans who actually compliment him in those first two rows.

The reason i said what i said is because he is a Senior and should know if you complain all game to the refs your not getting any calls, a Frosh( Gordon) can make mistakes because he hasn't been here what 5 years? I said all this stuff last year, he shouldn't be dribbling at all, he is a spot up shooter and a tough rebounder thats it. If he wants to be a leader he needs to encourage the young guys, but im not seeing any of that.

If a fan telling a player to stop complaining is rude thats funny, because thats exactly what the coach should be telling him....shut your mouth and go with it( besides were down 20 points, what purpose does it serve exactly).

[Hold My Own]

I'm not sure anyone can make an argument AGAINST any of the things RF has just said.



It's sad he couldnt have been one of those stories of "not forgetting where you came from" but I suppose he wanted to forget it just as much as the Intramural staff wanted to forget his days there....I think he made their top 5 list and it wasnt for best ever.