[justagirl]

She did put herself in a stupid position, I'm not saying she didn't do that. But that is no excuse, as a pastor and professor, he should not have allowed that to happen, and now that he did this it seems that his career is over.

I'm not trying to say that the girl didn't make a stupid decision, because she did, but that doesn't open the door to accuse her of making stuff up, and that doesn't make what happened ok.

Okay, so you either have some inside information or you are a moron.

and I think YOU are a moron ReKlef. I don't care what ANYONE says: YES she put herself in a bad position, haven't we ALL put ourselves in bad positions at some point in life? Does that mean she deserved to be molested? NO. Does it make it her fault she was molested? NO! HE chose to do what he did, and just because she put herself in a bad position does not mean she deserved it. It truly is people like you that make MANY people, men and women both, scared to say anything about abuse that happens to them, and I think we should all be VERY careful what we say about her and the situation.

[LUconn]

But you don't know that he touched anyone. You're taking her at her word, which in this case assumes Moon is guilty. That's fine for you personally to do, but that's not the way the justice system works. We haven't even heard a word from his side yet.

[Hold My Own]

didnt he already plead guilty?

[LUconn]

No. His arraignment is today. So I guess we'll find out.

[justagirl]

But you don't know that he touched anyone. You're taking her at her word, which in this case assumes Moon is guilty. That's fine for you personally to do, but that's not the way the justice system works. We haven't even heard a word from his side yet.

You are right, but just as he is innocent until proven guilty, she is a victim until proven otherwise! so to slam a victim on a message board and say she is making it up is horrible, and is the reason that alot of abuse victims never tell. i just think we all need to be careful with what we say.

[Sly Fox]

Agree on both counts. Jumping to conclusions without all of the facts is not wise from either perspective.

[ReKlef]

and I think YOU are a moron ReKlef. I don't care what ANYONE says: YES she put herself in a bad position, haven't we ALL put ourselves in bad positions at some point in life? Does that mean she deserved to be molested? NO. Does it make it her fault she was molested? NO! HE chose to do what he did, and just because she put herself in a bad position does not mean she deserved it. It truly is people like you that make MANY people, men and women both, scared to say anything about abuse that happens to them, and I think we should all be VERY careful what we say about her and the situation.

Whoa, now.

I said "either you [JDUB] have some inside information, or you are a moron".

That implies that I accept the fact that he may have some inside information that would lead him to believe that Moon is definitely guilty. I was fishing for a response.

I'm not accusing the girl of lying, although I'm still fairly skeptical. Sure, it could have happened, but I just think it's ridiculous to blatantly say that Moon is guilty when he had such a good reputation, and the story, as it is given, doesn't make perfect sense.

Did she deserve it if it happened just as the report says it happened? No. Even if it happened in some other way I wouldn't say she deserved it. But I can't see Moon doing something that wasn't, in his mind, consensual.

[SuperJon]

With no inside knowledge, and knowing only the facts that are public, I think a plausible scenario is that these two had done something before consensually and the professor assumed it would be ok to do it again when in fact it wasn't. Not saying that is definitely what happened, but it makes sense.

[matshark]

and I think YOU are a moron ReKlef. I don't care what ANYONE says: YES she put herself in a bad position, haven't we ALL put ourselves in bad positions at some point in life? Does that mean she deserved to be molested? NO. Does it make it her fault she was molested? NO! HE chose to do what he did, and just because she put herself in a bad position does not mean she deserved it. It truly is people like you that make MANY people, men and women both, scared to say anything about abuse that happens to them, and I think we should all be VERY careful what we say about her and the situation.

Whoa, now.

I said "either you have some inside information, or you are a moron".

That implies that I accept the fact that he may have some inside information that would lead him to believe that Moon is definitely guilty. I was fishing for a response.

I'm not accusing the girl of lying, although I'm still fairly skeptical. Sure, it could have happened, but I just think it's ridiculous to blatantly say that Moon is guilty when he had such a good reputation, and the story, as it is given, doesn't make perfect sense.

agreed, the story doesn't make sense at all. LOTS of unanswered questions. we dont KNOW she was a victim until a jury says he's guilty. until then, she's just an ALLEGED victim. right now, in my mind, there's not enough answers to push it past a reasonable doubt.

[JJK03]

Does anyone know how this morning went?

And correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't the papers say something about her being mentally or physically handicapped?

[Drew I.]

Not quite as bad, b/c I think that incident was consenual and she wasn't a student...at least that was my understanding of that incident.

I wasn't aware of any scandal with Dr. Hindson. What happened exactly? Were you a student at the time or something?

As for Dr. Moon, if the charges are real, it's a huge disappointment.

[JJK03]

ATrain, you can't just put out there that there is a scandal with Ed Hindson and not further explain what and how you know...

[olldflame]

The situation with Dr. Hindson happened years ago, and is no deep dark secret. He was unfaithful to his wife. It involved a member of TRBC who was the wife of a church staffer (not a student). Thankfully, the Hindsons were able to reconcile their marriage, and through a process set up by Dr. Falwell and the school administration he was able to be restored to an important teaching role at LU, if not the leadership position he held before.

While we are dealing with "breaking news"; for those who are wondering why Don Norman is no longer "with us"... he left his wife for his secretary. The outcome in his case is much different, and he was last seen hawking burial insurance during breaks of redneck gospel music shows.

[ATrain]

ATrain, you can't just put out there that there is a scandal with Ed Hindson and not further explain what and how you know...

I wasn't the one that brought it up initially. If you and Drew I. had read the entire thread, it had been mentioned before I said anything about it. And thanks olldflame for explaining it, as it had happened before my time at LU.

[Baldspot]

Do we really need to offer speculation on scandals occurring 20 years ago or even 2 days ago for that matter?

I've unfortunately had to investigate similar situations while I worked at LU involving students and later at another company. I've found over and again - its just never a good thing to gossip. Facts get misconstrued, innocent people get hurt and in this instance, 20 years later, somebody, who admittedly doesn't have all the facts, feels the urge to drag people through the mud all over again.

People make mistakes and innocent parties get hurt. Nothing new with that. Speculating 2 days or 20 years later speaks more about the character of those involved in the gossip and that's the real story.

Edit: Oldflame entered his note before I did mine. I did not read his before posting and wasn't referring to his at all.

[olldflame]

Not speculation.

[Baldspot]

But does it need to be said?

[SuperJon]

If people are asking and it's public information, yes.

[Baldspot]

Public knowledge - court records, newspapers, okay I agree.

But what has been said in this thread about Hindson and Norman that was previously entered into public knowledge??

[olldflame]

Don Norman divorced his wife and married the woman he left her for. That public enough for you?

Dr. Hindson's situation was/is somewhat different, but when a person who was in the position he was in is suddenly relieved of his duties, that is a public thing, and there are not very many explainations for it. If you were here at the time, you probably knew about it.

I knew both of these men during my time at LU, and have ministered with them. In both cases I was shocked and disappointed to hear of their failings, and I certainly take no joy in the fact that there may be people who read this who didn't know about these things til now. On the other hand, just because it happened here at LU does not mean we should sweep it under the rug while making jokes about Swaggert, Baker and Hyles.

[Drew I.]

The situation with Dr. Hindson happened years ago, and is no deep dark secret. He was unfaithful to his wife. It involved a member of TRBC who was the wife of a church staffer (not a student). Thankfully, the Hindsons were able to reconcile their marriage, and through a process set up by Dr. Falwell and the school administration he was able to be restored to an important teaching role at LU, if not the leadership position he held before.

While we are dealing with "breaking news"; for those who are wondering why Don Norman is no longer "with us"... he left his wife for his secretary. The outcome in his case is much different, and he was last seen hawking burial insurance during breaks of redneck gospel music shows.

Thanks for the info, olldflame. Hmm, I'm aware that we shouldn't put our faith in men but it is still somewhat disillusioning to hear that about someone so highly revered here.

[4everfsu]

There was scandal even in the early days of LBC, the director for the Sounds of Liberty was arrested and sent to prison for Sodomy. First name was Paul, cannot remember his last name.
It was the group that Robbie Hiner was at the time, traveling and singing with Jerry. Unfortunately stuff happens

[JJK03]

ATrain, you can't just put out there that there is a scandal with Ed Hindson and not further explain what and how you know...

I wasn't the one that brought it up initially. If you and Drew I. had read the entire thread, it had been mentioned before I said anything about it. And thanks olldflame for explaining it, as it had happened before my time at LU.

My apologies ATrain. So do we know about the mental capacity or physcial ability of this girl or is that just rumor?

[El Scorcho]

I'm locking this thread. I'm not comfortable with the things being discussed here being a part of FlameFans and may, in fact, delete most of it later because of that.

The only reason I'm telling you is because I rarely do this, so when you ladies want whine about it you'll know it wasn't Sly who did it.