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By Sly Fox
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Groundbreaking stuff the fishwrap is unearthing these days ...
NewsAdvance wrote:Liberty University refuting evolution

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Professor of biology David DeWitt holds a fossil while explaining evolutionists’ views during a biology class.
Photo by Jill Nance


By Christa Desrets
Published: February 14, 2009


On a recent Tuesday, a dozen or so Liberty University students are in the midst of a lecture in one of their required courses, creation studies.
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By PAmedic
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HEY! our very own SHUCKS commented! :shock:

and I'm stunned by the position he took :roll:
By phoenix
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Interesting headline choice. Not "trying to refute" or "works at refuting," but "refuting."
By thepostman
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PAmedic wrote:HEY! our very own SHUCKS commented! :shock:

and I'm stunned by the position he took :roll:
hey just likes ticking people off...i don't think he believes half the stuff he says
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By flamesbball84
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thepostman wrote:
PAmedic wrote:HEY! our very own SHUCKS commented! :shock:

and I'm stunned by the position he took :roll:
hey just likes ticking people off...i don't think he believes half the stuff he says
Anything on there I said about the polls I believe, other than the uneducated and ignorant comment was just to tick off that lynchburgbusiness guy(although I won't deny that those polls and others clearly show that religion is obviously more heavily practiced in the lesser educated groups...). Wouldn't have even posted on there if the one guy would learn how to interpret a poll.
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By The DA
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makarov97 wrote:If they were really promoting science then they wouldn't care if someone questioned their theory.
I'm pretty sure that's the entire point of the last hundred years of the peer-reviewed research done since Darwin published his original theory. Scientists love for their theories to be questioned and tested. That's what makes for good science. Last I checked it was considered good form to question any science and form any alternative hypothesis you'd like, as long as it's falsifiable.
makarov97 wrote:They figure that if they heap enough ridicule on their opponents, they won't have to defend their "science."
Are you claiming that evolutionary biologists are not practicing science? I'm afraid I will need more than quotation marks around the word to understand your point.
makarov97 wrote:Yet, if we explore their theory they have to come up with some kind of supernatural explanation.
No, they don't. You simply chose to believe that they do. This is an argument from personal incredulity and is therefore invalid.
makarov97 wrote:According to darwinist theory, the "big bang" was responsible for creating the universe. Yet something cannot come from nothing. Where did the original energy necessary to cause the "big bang" come from?
Now you're talking about physics and not biology. Don't get your sciences confused. But as I understand how the two could relate to you, you should probably understand that science does not view the Big Bang theory as being about the origin of the universe, but rather it is a theory about how the universe developed over time. That bit of confusion aside, there are a few theories as to what came before the Big Bang all of which are speculative and will take much work to develop. Nevertheless, they're all falsifiable given enough work and time.

Finally, I would point out that just because there does not currently exist a proven scientific explanation for what was before the Big Bang, it does not automatically mean it must have been created. That is confusing the currently unexplained with the unexplainable, which is also a logically invalid argument.
makarov97 wrote:At some point you inevitably come to one of two conclusions. Either the energy that caused the "big bang" always existed or something/someone created the components necessary for the "big bang." Both conclusions require that one accept a supernatural explanation as something cannot come from nothing.
In this argument you have created a false dichotomy, which is also logically invalid. Just because you've only been able to arrive at these two conclusions does not mean that these are the only valid conclusions. For example, Linde's chaotic inflation theory proposes that the energy and matter that came together in the Big Bang was caused by both "leaking" off from other inflating and expanding universes, which is not unlikely given what we currently know about our own universe. Even if the Big Bang theory postulated that "something came from nothing" (which it does not), quantum mechanics have begun to show that matter sometimes appears and disappears during "fluctuations in the void". I don't claim to fully understand quantum mechanics by any means, but I have read enough to know that what you are claiming is simply not a part of the modern Big Bang theory.
By Baldspot
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All that to say you have no clue how life began. :lol:
By thepostman
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if i stood back and took my belief in God and the Bible out of the equation I still do not understand how anybody can say with a straight face that evolution is fact...i completely understand that adaptation occurs...but the overall theory of evolution seems to take more faith then one believing in any kind of god...

and as much as i have read and been taught carbon dating and other dating methods it still seems to me even those methods take a step of faith...
By The DA
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Baldspot wrote:All that to say you have no clue how life began. :lol:
I have plenty of clues and they're based on observable falsifiable data, unlike yours.
By The DA
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thepostman wrote:if i stood back and took my belief in God and the Bible out of the equation I still do not understand how anybody can say with a straight face that evolution is fact...i completely understand that adaptation occurs...but the overall theory of evolution seems to take more faith then one believing in any kind of god...

and as much as i have read and been taught carbon dating and other dating methods it still seems to me even those methods take a step of faith...
The theory of evolution is based on evidence that has been observed. There is a great amount of this evidence. (I'd suggest starting here.) Further, when evidence is found to contradict previous conclusions, those conclusions are abandoned, and new beliefs based on the new evidence take their place. This "seeing is believing" basis for the theory is exactly the opposite of the sort of faith implied by the claim.
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By ToTheLeft
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No, you don't. You can't reproduce or test anything, since you can't make something come of nothing again, and you can't watch it evolve into living cells, into a living organism, into a living thing with an eye, into a mammal, into a human. That is NOT repeatable, and therefore not even remotely a theory, much less a law. Go back to the scientific method...

1. Define the question

How did life begin?

2. Gather information and resources (observe)

We see that there might be links from one species to another, and that life appears to be very old, based on things found in archeolgoy, sciences, and other fields.

3. Form hypothesis

We think that life evolved from non-life and has continued to evolve to the point it is now. A simple living cell must have formed long ago and began to transform until it became a living organism, which in tun began evolving to adapt to the world around it. This process, along with survival of the fittest after evolution began and reproduction began, is how we got to the way life is today.

4. Perform experiment and collect data

Ummm... where's our time machine? We can't do the rest. I guess it's stuck as a hypothesis.

5. Analyze data
6. Interpret data and draw conclusions that serve as a starting point for new hypothesis
7. Publish results
8. Retest (frequently done by other scientists)
By LUconn
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The DA wrote:
Baldspot wrote:All that to say you have no clue how life began. :lol:
I have plenty of clues and they're based on observable falsifiable data, unlike yours.
You observed the beginning of life? No, you didn't. And that's why no story/hypothesis/theory can ever be proven. Because it's not something that can be observed. So stop acting like the scientific majority is some type of noble uncorruptable body that has anything but it's own self-interest at heart.
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By ToTheLeft
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LUconn wrote:
The DA wrote:
Baldspot wrote:All that to say you have no clue how life began. :lol:
I have plenty of clues and they're based on observable falsifiable data, unlike yours.
You observed the beginning of life? No, you didn't. And that's why no story/hypothesis/theory can ever be proven. Because it's not something that can be observed. So stop acting like the scientific majority is some type of noble uncorruptable body that has anything but it's own self-interest at heart.
:nod :nod
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By Baldspot
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The DA wrote:
Baldspot wrote:All that to say you have no clue how life began. :lol:
I have plenty of clues and they're based on observable falsifiable data, unlike yours.
What data of mine are you pointing too? As that was my first post on this subject I'm very curious.
By Ed Dantes
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Can someone explain to me how the sex organs evolved? I'm serious. It just seems as if you'd have to evolve a lock and a key at the exact same time. That alone is proof to me that, at least, there had to have been something guiding the evolutionary process.
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By ToTheLeft
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Ed Dantes wrote:Can someone explain to me how the sex organs evolved? I'm serious. It just seems as if you'd have to evolve a lock and a key at the exact same time. That alone is proof to me that, at least, there had to have been something guiding the evolutionary process.
Not to mention all the systems within the body of mammals that work together so intricately. The eye and the brain, the whole nervous system, the bloodstream and it's use of the various organs in the body.
By LUconn
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So are we all in agreement that The DA is shuck?
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By Kolzilla41
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LUconn wrote:So are we all in agreement that The DA is shuck?
Who is shuck?
By LUconn
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flamerbob wrote:
LUconn wrote:So are we all in agreement that The DA is shuck?
Who is shuck?
flamesbball84 aka KentuckyWildcatFan aka shuck01 as well as other names I'm sure I'm forgetting.
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By Kolzilla41
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LUconn wrote:
flamerbob wrote:
LUconn wrote:So are we all in agreement that The DA is shuck?
Who is shuck?
flamesbball84 aka KentuckyWildcatFan aka shuck01 as well as other names I'm sure I'm forgetting.
OOoooohhh
By TDDance234
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Ed Dantes wrote:Can someone explain to me how the sex organs evolved? I'm serious. It just seems as if you'd have to evolve a lock and a key at the exact same time. That alone is proof to me that, at least, there had to have been something guiding the evolutionary process.
Never heard that before. Would be curious to hear a response from an evolutionist.
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