[coolhandluke]

Actually I think that our student athletic center is better than the Justice Center (other than it would need some hardwood courts)- seeing as how the JC is a 50 year old facility you'll get no argument from me- but I'll tell ya I loved playing there & the environment (if you've ever been there) is really awesome to play in- we played Kansas & Kentucky my senior year with 20,000+ & the JC was still the loudest place I've ever played.. For the record it doesn't bother me that you have either of your facilities- we have banter with Western Carolina fans that play that card too-- I'll take our overall success of league titles instead (even with our junior high gym!)

WCU is better than you could ever hope to be. And what success do you speak of? You guys have 3 regular season titles, but only won the tourney once. Liberty only has 1 regular season title but has won the tourney twice. I'd take OUR bigger and better gym, and OUR record of performing better when it counts any day!

And if you want to talk about league success, look at Coastal or Winthrop. As much as I hate them, they have dominated our league.

Check your facts there smart guy- UNCA has 4 regular seasons & 2 tourney titles (Winthrop has 7/8, Coastal has 4/3, CSU at 2/4, Radfords at 3/1, LU's at 1/2)

Don't even get me started with Western Carolina who has finished in last place 3 of the past 4 years in their North Division of the SoCon- they haven't finished above .500 since 1996- I've got numbers all day long on them if you really want to go there... plus our head to head is better the past 12 years since we rekindled the rivalry- don't start something here with WCU you can't back up... if you need more try this

WCU Men’s Basketball
1996-97 14-13
1997-98 12-15
1998-99 8-21 RPI 269
1999-00 14-14 RPI 230
2000-01 6-25 RPI 297
2001-02 12-16 RPI 266
2002-03 9-19 RPI 290
2003-04 13-15 RPI 236
2004-05 8-22 RPI 309 (out of 330 teams-ouch!)
2005-06 13-17 RPI 265
2006-07 11-20 RPI 244
2007-08 10-21 RPI 293
Totals 130-218 (.415 winning percentage) Average RPI 269.9

UNCA Men’s Basketball
1996-97-18/10
1997-98-19/9
1998-99-11/18 RPI 267
1999-00-11/19 RPI 215
2000-01-15/13 RPI 235
2001-02-13/15 RPI 263
2002-03-15/17 RPI 186
2003-04-9 /20 RPI 272
2004-05-11/17 RPI 252
2005-06-9/19 RPI 239
2006-07-12 /19 RPI 249
2007-08-23/10 RPI 143
Totals 166-186 (.472 winning %) Average RPI 232.1

In regard to our overall record it also is because our Non-Conference strength of schedule is usually Top 100 (5 of the 10 seasons that measures that in RPI) or better (Top 25 twice in that period) in the country.. plus we all know that it's Men's basketball that raises monies for UNCA athletics- all smaller schools (even LU) play these guaranteed money games- we just play 4-6 each year & have done so since 1996- We're also 36 games ahead of WCU in the same time period & 35+ points higher average in RPI..

Magically in the same time period we still have 4 seasons above .500 total record- 4 conference championships, 1 NCAA bid & 1 NIT bid- since we're talking UNCA basketball.. So- what's Western done again? I'll wait...

In regards to WCU, I was talking about how you will never be a better school than WCU. You might be better at basketball, but not a better school.

And I did check the facts, SMART GUY! Straight from Big South's website...

You guys won the regular season in the '96-'97 season, the '97-'98 season, and then last year in the '07-'08 season. That makes 3 season titles in 33 years of being in the Big South!

And I looked back again and you do have two tourney championships, you won it in the '88-'89 season as well as the '02-'03 season. And you did go to the NIT last year. Good job, that's a good thing overall for the Big South!

But in 25 years of being in the Big South, you only have 3 season titles and 2 tourney championships to show for it. LU has been in the conference for 6 years less than the time you have and has 1 title and 2 tourney championships. We have almost equal numbers, minus 2 titles, and you guys have been in the conference for 6 years more than we have. In another 5-10 years I predict we will have far surpassed your numbers even though you guys had a 6 year head start.

[BJWilliams]

Uhh I think the Big South has only been in existence for 25 years...hence that Top 25 Best in the Big South countdown and all...

[coolhandluke]

Uhh I think the Big South has only been in existence for 25 years...hence that Top 25 Best in the Big South countdown and all...

Yeah. I added 10 years to the number of years that they have listed stats for. The first year they have recorded stats for basketball is '85. For some reason I was thinking '75. So we have been in the conference since '91. So UNCA only has a 6 year head start on us! My bad!

[kingaling42]

WCU is better than you could ever hope to be. And what success do you speak of? You guys have 3 regular season titles, but only won the tourney once. Liberty only has 1 regular season title but has won the tourney twice. I'd take OUR bigger and better gym, and OUR record of performing better when it counts any day!

And if you want to talk about league success, look at Coastal or Winthrop. As much as I hate them, they have dominated our league.

Check your facts there smart guy- UNCA has 4 regular seasons & 2 tourney titles (Winthrop has 7/8, Coastal has 4/3, CSU at 2/4, Radfords at 3/1, LU's at 1/2)

Don't even get me started with Western Carolina who has finished in last place 3 of the past 4 years in their North Division of the SoCon- they haven't finished above .500 since 1996- I've got numbers all day long on them if you really want to go there... plus our head to head is better the past 12 years since we rekindled the rivalry- don't start something here with WCU you can't back up... if you need more try this

WCU Men’s Basketball
1996-97 14-13
1997-98 12-15
1998-99 8-21 RPI 269
1999-00 14-14 RPI 230
2000-01 6-25 RPI 297
2001-02 12-16 RPI 266
2002-03 9-19 RPI 290
2003-04 13-15 RPI 236
2004-05 8-22 RPI 309 (out of 330 teams-ouch!)
2005-06 13-17 RPI 265
2006-07 11-20 RPI 244
2007-08 10-21 RPI 293
Totals 130-218 (.415 winning percentage) Average RPI 269.9

UNCA Men’s Basketball
1996-97-18/10
1997-98-19/9
1998-99-11/18 RPI 267
1999-00-11/19 RPI 215
2000-01-15/13 RPI 235
2001-02-13/15 RPI 263
2002-03-15/17 RPI 186
2003-04-9 /20 RPI 272
2004-05-11/17 RPI 252
2005-06-9/19 RPI 239
2006-07-12 /19 RPI 249
2007-08-23/10 RPI 143
Totals 166-186 (.472 winning %) Average RPI 232.1

In regard to our overall record it also is because our Non-Conference strength of schedule is usually Top 100 (5 of the 10 seasons that measures that in RPI) or better (Top 25 twice in that period) in the country.. plus we all know that it's Men's basketball that raises monies for UNCA athletics- all smaller schools (even LU) play these guaranteed money games- we just play 4-6 each year & have done so since 1996- We're also 36 games ahead of WCU in the same time period & 35+ points higher average in RPI..

Magically in the same time period we still have 4 seasons above .500 total record- 4 conference championships, 1 NCAA bid & 1 NIT bid- since we're talking UNCA basketball.. So- what's Western done again? I'll wait...

In regards to WCU, I was talking about how you will never be a better school than WCU. You might be better at basketball, but not a better school.

And I did check the facts, SMART GUY! Straight from Big South's website...

You guys won the regular season in the '96-'97 season, the '97-'98 season, and then last year in the '07-'08 season. That makes 3 season titles in 33 years of being in the Big South!

And I looked back again and you do have two tourney championships, you won it in the '88-'89 season as well as the '02-'03 season. And you did go to the NIT last year. Good job, that's a good thing overall for the Big South!

But in 25 years of being in the Big South, you only have 3 season titles and 2 tourney championships to show for it. LU has been in the conference for 6 years less than the time you have and has 1 title and 2 tourney championships. We have almost equal numbers, minus 2 titles, and you guys have been in the conference for 6 years more than we have. In another 5-10 years I predict we will have far surpassed your numbers even though you guys had a 6 year head start.

Again, triple check your facts big guy... In addition to the years you mentioned above UNCA was also regular season champs with Winthrop in the 2001-02 season- both teams finished 10-4 in conference Winthrop was the #1 seed in the tourney due to tie-breakers but both shared the regular season title..

So by your admitted math skills- you have half the titles in 17 years- which would take you 34 years to match us by your logic?? We've been in the conference for 24 (joined 1984) of the leagues 25 year existence & 7 years longer than Liberty who joined in 1991- if you're going to try & state facts on here at least get them correct- I thought Liberty has won the Quiz Bowl the last few years but from the "facts" that you're quoting- you seem to be the Weakest Link & been left off of that team... You sound just like the CAN'Tamounts from Western Carolina.. The funny thing to me is that with all the wonderful facilities compared to how poor our's are- my standing question is why haven't you enjoyed more success than we have?? That's a legitimate question for all the boasting about your facilities... You can keep your facilities if that's what it costs you in return..

[LUFlamer09]

You guys put way too much effort in saying, my school is better than your school.

Fact: Liberty's facilities are 100 times nicer than UNC-A's.

Fact:UNCA beat down Liberty early in the season.

All the rest is useless information and a bit childish.

[kingaling42]

What?? No arguing points- or correcting ignorance of facts?? But that defeats the purpose of all the bantering back & forth on message boards.. Sorry mom..

[LUFlamer09]

I could go into how Liberty is going to dominate UNCA over the next four years or how much nicer the hardwood is in the Schilling Center is than the Justice Center, but I'd rather watch yesterday's NFL highlights for the tenth time.

[kingaling42]

Life is all about choices- don't hurt yourself!! That's pretty much what I was talking about- scroll up & follow along if you didn't get that.. Otherwise if you don't wanna be here or read what we write, just move along- I personally don't need a chaperone here judging the tone in which we banter..

As for trying to predict the future- you guys on here have a long track record of promises with recruits & LU teams- problem is the majority of all those promises have never seen realization.. Aspire all you want though..

[LUFlamer09]

So you do take the bait, and I'll let someone else run with it. But my point is this, and I'm done with this thread, the back and forth arguments were weak and childish, focus more on facts and less on your homerism. This goes for us Liberty fans as well as our opponents.

[treyjman24]

Life is all about choices- don't hurt yourself!! That's pretty much what I was talking about- scroll up & follow along if you didn't get that.. Otherwise if you don't wanna be here or read what we write, just move along- I personally don't need a chaperone here judging the tone in which we banter..

As for trying to predict the future- you guys on here have a long track record of promises with recruits & LU teams- problem is the majority of all those promises have never seen realization.. Aspire all you want though..

I cant wait till we play ya'll in the vines and utterly trash ya'll!!! You talk way to much!

[kingaling42]

Listen.. I poked a little fun at some of the pics posted since you guys like to beat up on the Justice Center- we've done it before- we'll do it again I'm sure..

I also wasn't making this a UNCA vs Liberty thread it was just to say hey look at this fabulous arena I always hear so much about that's pretty much empty in both of the pictures posted, one of which was a BS tourney photo.. I knew that would cue the JC jokes but that's what we do here plus y'all hate the fact you had to play us in the tourney last year at the JC for various reasons which we've also been discussing here.. But when UNCA's success was questioned & then your more ignorant fan start mis-quoting facts- it is my thought to correct that- you guys would certainly correct me if I started erasing league titles for LU as well.. So I made one comment about last year's tourney game in response to another post- so where was I talking too much trash??

I'm sure that you guys will be out to prove something come January 31st- I would if I got embarassed on national TV as well.. but it has seemed to spark the rest of your season with that loss so it seems to be the best thing that could have happened for your young team..

[truedrewdawg87]

Kingaling (which is a RIDICULOUS username by the way) it's been my experience in the past the Big South tournament games in the Vines Center have been very well attended by the Liberty student body and by the community, with the community coming out more and more as the tournament progressed. I know in the final against High Point in 2004 the Vines Center was ABSOLUTELY packed and students had to wait outside I believe around 9 or 10 in the morning just to get tickets and then had to come back and get in line another hour or two before the game. Once inside, it was totally standing room only, I couldn't hear myself think and it must have been close to 100 degrees in there. Having been to Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium plenty of times and several ACC Tournament finals, I would say the atmosphere that day in the Vines Center was only a small step or two below both of those high-level ACC environments. If my memory serves me correctly, last year when your precious Bulldogs hosted Winthrop at the INJUSTICE Center, I remember seeing empty seats on tv. Don't give me this crap about seeing empty seats in some four-year-old pictures. It's BIG SOUTH BASKETBALL FOR CRYING OUTLOUD! THERE ARE GOING TO BE EMPTY SEATS! This isn't a pair of top-five programs playing for a trip to the Final Four in case you haven't noticed. Get over yourself, realize that like Liberty, Asheville is also a mid-major and do us all a favor and donate some money to the athletic department so your alma mater can get out of the shoe box it calls a gym.

[SuperJon]

The best thing about the Big South championship game last year was seeing the Asheville students stealing our chants.

[treyjman24]

Kingaling (which is a RIDICULOUS username by the way) it's been my experience in the past the Big South tournament games in the Vines Center have been very well attended by the Liberty student body and by the community, with the community coming out more and more as the tournament progressed. I know in the final against High Point in 2004 the Vines Center was ABSOLUTELY packed and students had to wait outside I believe around 9 or 10 in the morning just to get tickets and then had to come back and get in line another hour or two before the game. Once inside, it was totally standing room only, I couldn't hear myself think and it must have been close to 100 degrees in there. Having been to Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium plenty of times and several ACC Tournament finals, I would say the atmosphere that day in the Vines Center was only a small step or two both of those high-level ACC environments. If my memory serves me correctly, last year when your precious Bulldogs hosted Winthrop at the INJUSTICE Center, I remember seeing empty seats on tv. Don't give me this crap about seeing empty seats in some four-year-old pictures. It's BIG SOUTH BASKETBALL FOR CRYING OUTLOUD! THERE ARE GOING TO BE EMPTY SEATS! This isn't a pair of top-five programs playing for a trip to the Final Four in case you haven't noticed. Get over yourself, realize that like Liberty, Asheville is also a mid-major and do us all a favor and donate some money to the athletic department so your alma mater can get out of the shoe box it calls a gym.

thank you for letting him know that!

[coolhandluke]

Listen.. I poked a little fun at some of the pics posted since you guys like to beat up on the Justice Center- we've done it before- we'll do it again I'm sure..

I also wasn't making this a UNCA vs Liberty thread it was just to say hey look at this fabulous arena I always hear so much about that's pretty much empty in both of the pictures posted, one of which was a BS tourney photo.. I knew that would cue the JC jokes but that's what we do here plus y'all hate the fact you had to play us in the tourney last year at the JC for various reasons which we've also been discussing here.. But when UNCA's success was questioned & then your more ignorant fan start mis-quoting facts- it is my thought to correct that- you guys would certainly correct me if I started erasing league titles for LU as well.. So I made one comment about last year's tourney game in response to another post- so where was I talking too much trash??

I'm sure that you guys will be out to prove something come January 31st- I would if I got embarassed on national TV as well.. but it has seemed to spark the rest of your season with that loss so it seems to be the best thing that could have happened for your young team..

Wow, you tied somebody for a share of the title. Yet you still didn't get the number one seed and you didn't win the tourney. We tied UNCG and you guys one year too. So if we are counting ties, then I guess we have 3 titles and you guys have 4. Thanks for pointing that out.

Yeah, you talk way too much junk and I can't wait until we trash you guys in the Vines Center!

[kingaling42]

Kingaling (which is a RIDICULOUS username by the way) it's been my experience in the past the Big South tournament games in the Vines Center have been very well attended by the Liberty student body and by the community, with the community coming out more and more as the tournament progressed. I know in the final against High Point in 2004 the Vines Center was ABSOLUTELY packed and students had to wait outside I believe around 9 or 10 in the morning just to get tickets and then had to come back and get in line another hour or two before the game. Once inside, it was totally standing room only, I couldn't hear myself think and it must have been close to 100 degrees in there. Having been to Duke's Cameron Indoor Stadium plenty of times and several ACC Tournament finals, I would say the atmosphere that day in the Vines Center was only a small step or two below both of those high-level ACC environments. If my memory serves me correctly, last year when your precious Bulldogs hosted Winthrop at the INJUSTICE Center, I remember seeing empty seats on tv. Don't give me this crap about seeing empty seats in some four-year-old pictures. It's BIG SOUTH BASKETBALL FOR CRYING OUTLOUD! THERE ARE GOING TO BE EMPTY SEATS! This isn't a pair of top-five programs playing for a trip to the Final Four in case you haven't noticed. Get over yourself, realize that like Liberty, Asheville is also a mid-major and do us all a favor and donate some money to the athletic department so your alma mater can get out of the shoe box it calls a gym.

I love it.. I take it you are about 21 years old & were born in 1987 from your childish concern on my username.. win some more games this year, unlike last year & we don't have to worry about this discussion of home court advantage or why schools like UNCA, HP, CSU, CCU or Presby (once eligible) should move the games elsewhere than the confines of their on-campus venues- until then in our what-have-you-done-for-me-lately mind frames (as someone else put it to me on here) we're the current defending regular season champs- we won't finish that way this year I feel quite sure- I only brought out the Vines center attendance in previous years when it was the host school for all of the tourney games as we were talking about the tourney set up- a central site did NOT work- but you can point to that one time in band camp in 2004 when the stars were well aligned & you actually filled the Vines for something other than a convocation or a concert.. you don't recall that previously it rarely reached even 20-30% capacity except for those rare occasions- hell what did you guys average last year?? 30%?? My point was that in the 2 pics MOST of the seats are empty, not just some It is Big South basketball all things considered & a 3-5k seat arena is going to suffice in most Big South institutions, more for the larger schools which we're certainly not going to be- Vines is larger but what would you expect from a campus that has just under 3 times our enrollment?? We don't need anything larger than the 3000-3500 seat arena which is already being built at UNCA.. In other games we have utilized our other venue at the Civic Center when we've hosted UNC, Virginia Tech & others in the past- it seems as a few of you don't realize that I'm on here as much or more than you & just want to provoke issues between our schools- I see no need as we're not rivals just conference opponents.. last I checked I was just kidding until someone questioned our success- you got what you asked for there..

CoolHandluke: That other tie you're mentioning, what year is that, cause LU has NEVER tied UNC-G in any season.. so I'm not aware of that, just realize we've been more successful than LU historically- & before you others get al bent out of shape keep in mind that it's ok I didn't bring this success crap up- your boy CoolLuke did remember?? In turn don't be mad at the truth & get snippy now that I called his bluff on it though.. sometimes the truth hurts I'm sorry but like UT your men's program isn't even the best team on your own campus as it's been in the shadows of your women's very successful program.. maybe the Vine's Center was really made for them- interesting thought to ponder- g'night!!

[BJWilliams]

Man this thread spun WAAAAAAYYYYY REAL quick. You think you guys can do ANYTHING without it turning into a "my dad can beat up your dad" argument about our two schools?

[PAmedic]

I'd like to take the opportunity to point out that it's actually "WOE is me", not "WHOA is me"

thanks. please continue the banter.

[Champion]

That's it! I can't wait for next years UNCA vs LU Football game! Oh yea...only one of the schools has a football teams. Sorry!

[kingaling42]

We don't have golf, lacrosse, wrestling, softball, swimming or club hockey teams either- that's why I'm here & talking in Men's Hoops- talks of football really doesn't hurt my feelings much but if you feel better now that's cool... I mean most of you here probably could care less about those other sports that you have as well.. I mean my High School had a surfing team back in the day too, what's the relevance??

[Cider Jim]

King, but at least your school has a Quiz Bowl team.

[Fumblerooskies]

King, but at least your school has a Quiz Bowl team.

...and a holier than thou academic reputation to boot. How many Quiz Bowl titles has THAT brought them?

[kingaling42]

I never knew that we had a Quiz Bowl team though!! You guys have dominated the league the last 3 years- I do know that!!. Although the past 2 years your record has taken a few losses- Guess I've been out of the loop watching basketball or something silly!!

[Cider Jim]

UNCA's Quiz Bowl team finished with a winning record (4-3) in last year's BSC tournament, but they lost to a Fumble-less LU team 190-60; and for the record, High Point finished dead last with a 0-7 record.

[truedrewdawg87]

Hey King Ding Aling, how hard is it REALLY to fill a gym my MIDDLE SCHOOL would have been ashamed to play in? You want to talk about filling arena's to capacity, it can't be that hard when you play in a SHOE BOX!! Oh and for the record, no I'm NOT 21. I'm quite a bit older than that. My point, since it obviously went over your head the first time was that in championship games Liberty DOES pack the Vines Center. You play in a middle school gym and there are STILL EMPTY SEATS when you have clearly the most dominant team in the conference in the last seven or eight years in your building AND it's on NATIONAL TELEVISION. I would be willing to bet you and your hippie buddies in Asheville couldn't fill an arena like the Vines Center let alone the INJUSTICE CENTER. Get a REAL place to play basketball, and maybe, emphasis on MAYBE, people will start taking your program seriously.