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By JDUB
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do you think we'd be interested in that property? I'm sure it'd sell for a lot of money, and I'm not sure we could justify the cost but I could be wrong.
its on the other side of the city from us, and we are already working on deals for several nice properties around here..
so i just dont know.
By soccer7
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I was just thinking it would be nice for them to have for the Medical School in the long run or for LCA if and when they have a post graduate program. The school could be there and you have a place to play and board the students.
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By bigsmooth
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shuk is just a D3 lover and will be an apologist for this school...what's next shuk, sweet briar?? :roll:
By SuperJon
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We're not getting a medical school anytime soon. It just simply isn't happening. Unless it's completely paid for, you can forget it.
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By flamesbball84
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bigsmooth wrote:shuk is just a D3 lover and will be an apologist for this school...what's next shuk, sweet briar?? :roll:
Sweet Briar is in pretty good shape right now - especially with that #2 ranking for most beautiful campus and apparently a fairly stupendous library for a small private school.
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By badger74
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From the COHE

"An Ugly Game
Small colleges prey on student-athletes' varsity dreams

By ANONYMOUS

As a college professor and parent of a college athlete, I have been reading with great interest reports that small colleges have been seeking to increase their enrollments by promoting their sports programs. An article in The Chronicle last fall, for example, described how the president of Adrian College, in Michigan, devised a plan to raise enrollment by expanding the institution's intercollegiate-athletics program and assigning recruiting quotas to its coaches. Adrian's recruiting plan requires its 16 head coaches to sign up almost 200 athletes per year. Coaches who fail to meet their assigned quotas risk losing their jobs. The total enrollment has risen to a decades-high level of almost 1,500. Adrian's president referred to his stream of new admissions as a "fountain of youth."

While I have no problem with colleges and universities trying to raise enrollment through encouraging student participation in athletics, I do question the integrity of the recruiting and admissions process if institutions do not openly share their strategies with prospective students and parents. That includes being truthful regarding a student's likely status on varsity teams.

Our family has had a personal, less-than-ideal experience with a similar NCAA Division III intercollegiate athletics program at another private liberal-arts college. Our daughter was heavily recruited to play a varsity sport at the aforesaid college. She received numerous telephone calls, e-mail messages, and mailings from a coach that focused on her future as a collegiate player. Together with at least one of her parents each time, she visited the college on three occasions, one visit an overnight stay with a player from the team on which, we were led to believe, she would be an important member. In addition to the efforts of the coach, the admissions office was also on board, sending our daughter and family a barrage of promotion materials about the college.

After doing all she was asked, including attending summer and preseason camps and working tirelessly in practice, she and several other members of the team, who were part of an overflowing roster, were informed early in the season that they would not be active players in varsity games, might not even dress for games. They would play on a reserve team instead.

Our daughter shared with us that being recruited to play a varsity sport reaffirmed efforts she had made in school athletics; being put on the reserve team called into question what she had learned and accomplished. Moreover, it was also a distraction from other aspects of her college life. She was always wondering what practice she would be attending. Having two separate teams created an unwholesome competition and division on the team of a small college where relationships are very personal — a reason for attending a small institution in the first place.

At home, we simply could not understand. We watched in bewilderment when our daughter was allowed to dress for varsity play but stood on the sidelines during games won or lost by wide margins. We spent countless hours asking ourselves questions about the nature of athletics at small colleges that we probably should have asked during the recruiting process.

Our daughter could have gone to almost any other college or university in the United States. She graduated from a high school for the gifted with a 4.0 grade-point average; she played a varsity sport there, making the all-city roster her junior and senior years. She wanted to attend a college with a good academic reputation and play a varsity sport. She was led to believe that she could do so at College X, so she closed doors on the application process to other colleges.

We have thought long and hard about her present situation, including our possible naïveté. However, we have sensed that there was something we were not understanding about the whole process. The recruiting and admissions tactics The Chronicle described at Adrian College seem to be the answer. Perhaps our daughter was simply used to raise enrollment. Was her college hoping that, after securing her as a student, her experiences in class and her newfound friends would persuade her to continue, despite having only reserve status on the varsity team?

In consultation with colleagues and coaches elsewhere, I learned that the recruiting and admissions strategies we saw practiced are not uncommon at many small private NCAA Division III colleges. It seems that the enticement of playing intercollegiate athletics speaks to thousands of high-school athletes throughout America who want to continue playing organized sports; at the same time, it satisfies an institution's desire to maintain or increase enrollment and tuition dollars.

It is hard to put into words the frustration and distress that our daughter has experienced because her coach and her college were not truthful about the recruiting process. One day a former high-school teammate, friend, and walk-on player at another college "Facebooked" her excitement about playing against our daughter and her team in a forthcoming varsity contest. Dejectedly our daughter wrote back to say that she would not dress for the game and most likely would not be able to see her friend because she would be at a reserve-team practice on another field.

As a result of her experience, she has decided to transfer to another college, where she will be a member of the honors program, will receive generous scholarships, and will, we hope, be able to continue to play her sport.

Students and their families should not be used or manipulated by presidents, admissions counselors, or coaches to further the enrollment interests or quotas of colleges. Colleges should know better. Students like our daughter deserve better."
By SuperJon
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This goes on at every single Division II and III school in the country. If your daughter doesn't like it, transfer.
By olldflame
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SuperJon wrote:This goes on at every single Division II and III school in the country. If your daughter doesn't like it, transfer.
Badger74 wasn't the author of the letter SJ. It was a cut & paste (should have posted a smaller quote and a link).

Also, based on the next to last paragraph, it appears the daughter did transfer.

You are right though. It goes on all the time.
By SuperJon
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Oh, I know he wasn't the author. I was just speaking in general terms. Sorry for the confusion.
By LUconn
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SuperJon wrote:We're not getting a medical school anytime soon. It just simply isn't happening. Unless it's completely paid for, you can forget it.
Are you the secretary for the board of directors now too?
By SuperJon
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No but I know a guy.
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By Sly Fox
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It is good to see you back around, badger74.

As for Randolph, that campus is beautiful but in dire need of repairs. I don't see us having much interest in it for LU. Now it might make a cool campus for LCA ...
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By flamesbball84
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SuperJon wrote:This goes on at every single Division II and III school in the country. If your daughter doesn't like it, transfer.
most of the USA South Athletic Conferencec schools - which includes the most notable likes of averett, ferrum, shenandoah, and christopher newport - require their coaches to maintain a minimum roster size that most in their right mind would consider ridiculous. A lot of the schools end up having JV teams for some of the sports, especially in basketball, but the JV kids aren't listed on the rosters on the websites, so it makes it look like to recruits that there are only 15-20 players instead of 30ish in the case of basketball.

if you are a girl and don't like receiving little to no playing time at your D3 school, transfer to a school like hollins or sweet briar or any other womens school since they cant get any talent at those places. if you can walk and breath at the same time you can get on those teams.
By rogers3
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For a school doing as poorly as some think, they sure are doing a heck of a lot of work (excavating, building large retaining walls) on their athletic fields. I think that the idea of the thread posted last year has little bearing on how the school is proceeding on it's way back to stability.
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By JDUB
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Rocketfan wrote:
SuperJon wrote:No but I know a guy.
Well then just let HMO post his info.....
there is no info. everything on this thread concerning LU is speculation
By Hold My Own
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I have no info only a question...I havent said anything to even hint as to if I knew something about this...I just want to know what happens to the endowment if someone was to buy a college that is still open or closed.


I'm just curious from the financial aspect b/c I'm sure this has happened before somewhere across the country
By Hold My Own
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Sly Fox wrote:Now it might make a cool campus for LCA ...

Elite...prep teams, boarding schools...it's like the hotel LU wanted at one time on steroids....oh the possibilities
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By Sly Fox
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The endowment and the collection would likely go into a non-profit trust apart from the sale of the facilities and intellectual properties in my best guess.
By Hold My Own
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Sly Fox wrote:The endowment and the collection would likely go into a non-profit trust apart from the sale of the facilities and intellectual properties in my best guess.

ok...I wasnt sure if you had to buy them out or something or if that was added to the price of sale....I guess yours would be more practical
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By Fumblerooskies
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Hold My Own wrote:
Sly Fox wrote:Now it might make a cool campus for LCA ...

Elite...prep teams, boarding schools...it's like the hotel LU wanted at one time on steroids....oh the possibilities
We already have that...it is called VES 8)
By rogers3
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Sly Fox wrote:The endowment and the collection would likely go into a non-profit trust apart from the sale of the facilities and intellectual properties in my best guess.
I'm glad, as a Lynchburg resident, that there is a very slim chance of us ever having to worry about that.
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By matshark
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Sly Fox wrote:It is good to see you back around, badger74.

As for Randolph, that campus is beautiful but in dire need of repairs. I don't see us having much interest in it for LU. Now it might make a cool campus for LCA ...
yes, so the students can sell drugs to the local residents?!?
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By RagingTireFire
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Hey, our favorite speedbag is back. Joy all around.
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