[Rocketfan]

A kid doesn't want to go to practice once and all the sudden he has a work ethic problem? Come on. If he's still dragging around November, then we can talk about his ethic and attitude.

To judge his entire attitude based upon what an 18-year old kid puts on Facebook is stretching it.

Did you read what i wrote....i didn't judge him based on that, i read a lot of internet chatter that said he didn't work hard......months later a facebook post was brought to my attention. I even said in my PM to manson i hope its not true.....

If i got a full ride to a school, personally i would not be dreading the first day of practice......heck id be excited.

You want something Negative.....we got another recruit on campus today and guess what....its another GUARD!

[olldflame]

Man, I can't believe how much analysis is being done and how many conclusions are being reached and judgements made based on a few turds of internet crap!

If I were the type of person to make such judgements, I would be concerned over the very fact that Carter even has a face book page, since IMHO it's one of the silliest things on the planet. I know lot of you have them and I acknowledge in saying this that I am such an that for some of you younguns I may as well be from another planet.



While I'm ranting, I might as well mention how annoying I find it that some people are so anxious to seem like they are "in the know" that they would say (or at least insinuate) that our coaches are violating NCAA rules by holding practices at unauthorized times. I don't believe it for a minute, but if you know it to be true and can prove it, you should drop a dime on the NCAA yourself, or at least warn the coach that you will if they don't stop. We need to do this the right way!

[Rocketfan]

My practice reference wasn't regarding anything formally organized by the coaches.....i guess it should have said summer workouts....i apologize. Practice is practice to me, because im not a coach.

[JK37]

im not a coach.

That might be the best thing you've said during the entire thread.

In addition to knowing the in's and out's of the game itself, coaches must also possess the ability to deduce a young man/woman's individual character. It is true that coaches will use the references of others around the young student-athlete (HS coach, AAU coach, club coach, other college coaches, parents, teachers, etc.) as well as what the student-athlete does themselves (conversations on phone, play on the court/field, actions on cmapus visits, and, yes, even what may show up on their Facebook/MySpace page.) It should be noted though that coaches take all of these resources external to the athlete with a grain of salt. What matters most is what comes from the athlete himself.

Coaches do all of this because they are repsonsible for a college athletic program, because they are judged themselves by the way in which that program is directed (wins, graduates, etc.), and because such repsonsibilities are inherently dependent upon the decisions made by individuals who are 18-22 years of age.

For a COACH to make such judgements based on such extensive criteria is not only their right - it is their duty. This ensures correct representation of the college or university, the athletic program, and the head coach himself.

However, fans should judge only what is placed into the overtly public forum by the player himself. Actions on the court/field of play are certainly fair game. In addition, should the athlete act in such a way that is either good or bad, and should receive recognition for such in a public forum (newspapers, TV news, etc.), then they have chosen to have themselves judged on that basis. Fans may also judge coaches on the same way. However, for fans to make judgments of a player's work ethic or character based on what other people are saying about them (and not on what has been seen by the fan himself) goes far beyond the so-called rights of fan, and should be left up to the professionals who are trained to do so in the right way - the coaches.

Be a fan. Stand up and cheer. Be disappointed when your team loses. But until an athlete or coach gives you no recourse, leave judgment of character alone.

[panfan01]

I am truly impressed! The above post has to be the most profound I have read in 4 years of active participation on these message boards.

[Hold My Own]

Well....he did take coaching basketball!

[Kolzilla41]

Guys, I am not going to lie, this thread is really getting boring

[Rocketfan]

im not a coach.

That might be the best thing you've said during the entire thread.

In addition to knowing the in's and out's of the game itself, coaches must also possess the ability to deduce a young man/woman's individual character. It is true that coaches will use the references of others around the young student-athlete (HS coach, AAU coach, club coach, other college coaches, parents, teachers, etc.) as well as what the student-athlete does themselves (conversations on phone, play on the court/field, actions on cmapus visits, and, yes, even what may show up on their Facebook/MySpace page.) It should be noted though that coaches take all of these resources external to the athlete with a grain of salt. What matters most is what comes from the athlete himself.

Coaches do all of this because they are repsonsible for a college athletic program, because they are judged themselves by the way in which that program is directed (wins, graduates, etc.), and because such repsonsibilities are inherently dependent upon the decisions made by individuals who are 18-22 years of age.

For a COACH to make such judgements based on such extensive criteria is not only their right - it is their duty. This ensures correct representation of the college or university, the athletic program, and the head coach himself.

However, fans should judge only what is placed into the overtly public forum by the player himself. Actions on the court/field of play are certainly fair game. In addition, should the athlete act in such a way that is either good or bad, and should receive recognition for such in a public forum (newspapers, TV news, etc.), then they have chosen to have themselves judged on that basis. Fans may also judge coaches on the same way. However, for fans to make judgments of a player's work ethic or character based on what other people are saying about them (and not on what has been seen by the fan himself) goes far beyond the so-called rights of fan, and should be left up to the professionals who are trained to do so in the right way - the coaches.

Be a fan. Stand up and cheer. Be disappointed when your team loses. But until an athlete or coach gives you no recourse, leave judgment of character alone.

Work ethic does not equal character so your completly exaggerating my thought just like manson. Some kids dont' have to work as hard as others and can still be great does that mean there character needs an adjustment....no.

Its also funny that you bring up an "but until an athlete gives you no recourse, leave judgement of character alone" - i wish you would have been here for the Ohman discussions last season.

[JK37]

i wish you would have been here for the Ohman discussions last season.

Who said I wasn't?

You would be wrong to assume that my thoughts on the issue were solely a derivative of your comments.

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

The last time I checked, good coaches don't go around "deducing" a bunch of irrelevant information.

Theres your problem... Theres something wrong with your vision.



Let the Fight begin....

[paradox]

So, I guess "good" doesn't apply to McKay, according to your perception?

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

[jmdickens]

this has been an interesting thread.....

Curry
Ohman
Floyd
Smith
McMasters

[coolhandluke]

really?

[paradox]

That could include a ton of names with so many new faces.

I have a feeling that Jeremy is going to show us a bunch now that he is being utilized beyond his sharpshooting specialty. Just a hunch with no evidence to back it up.

Of course I'd love to see Jesse step in and and amaze us right from the get go at the point.

Sly may be right. Jesse Sanders could end up being one of the bigger surprise players. However, I wouldn't necessarily confine him exclusively to the point gaurd position, but he should see time there nonetheless. Also, Jesse could possibily see time at any of the four gaurd positions because of his versitility, grittiness, and believe it or not, inside scoring and rebounding ability.

[jcmanson]

For the record, I was the one who said Jesse Sanders.

[Iwasneverhere]

For the record, I was the one who said Jesse Sanders.

Glory Hog

[Cider Jim]

Since he's a TEXAN, I'd love to see Jesse step in and and amaze us right from the get go at the point.

FIFY

[RagingTireFire]

I'm going to say that the biggest surprise player this year -- at least, as far as this board is concerned -- will be Seth Curry in that he won't turn out to be the Instant Basketball Messiah you people are making him out to be.

[Iwasneverhere]

I'm going to say that the biggest surprise player this year -- at least, as far as this board is concerned -- will be Seth Curry in that he won't turn out to be the Instant Basketball Messiah you people are making him out to be.

[paradox]

I'm going to say that the biggest surprise player this year -- at least, as far as this board is concerned -- will be Seth Curry in that he won't turn out to be the Instant Basketball Messiah you people are making him out to be.

I'm not even sure what you mean by "instant messiah." Seems like you've got it all covered just in case he does turn out to be primetime, but just not right away.

[LUconn]

I'm going to say that the biggest surprise player this year -- at least, as far as this board is concerned -- will be Seth Curry in that he won't turn out to be the Instant Basketball Messiah you people are making him out to be.

I think everybody expects him to be our best shooting guard, not his brother. But it's nice to know he's got the DNA.

[jcmanson]

Here we go again

[RagingTireFire]

He might be good and he might be just another freshman. It could go either way but you guys are planning ESPN games around a potential matchup between him and his brother. Please.

[jcmanson]

He might be good and he might be just another freshman. It could go either way but paradox is planning ESPN games around a potential matchup between him and his brother. Please.

Fixed