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By Hold My Own
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Are you teaching her to drive?


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By BJWilliams
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cmon guys...I mean I dont agree with Michelle and her views but seriously...this is getting out of hand. I met her and her husband at the Celebrate America event and they are really nice people. Can you guys please just lay off?
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By 01LUGrad
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Ugh. C'mon, guys. We finally get a liberal or two on here to talk and everyone has to be a jerk about it. Maybe it is just me, but I am actually interested in hearing why they like Obama. I still have never heard a straight answer from any Obama supporter on what makes him qualified to be President. You guys are scaring away my chance to finally get an answer to that question. Maybe we could take LUconn's idea and start another thread where there could be actual political discussion. This one can stay up so everyone can say "Obama is a poopie-face and a meanie-head."

By the way, so I don't get blasted here, she could have gone about her first post in a very different way. Threatening bogus legal action was not a way to get this crowd warm to her, especially when she is at a school where she is in the tiny minority when it comes to political beliefs.
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By 01LUGrad
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Wholy Krap. I started a post with the same words as BJ. Yikes.
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By BarackNRoll08
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Ok, do you wanna know why I support Obama? I'm posting my story. I have already sent this to one member but it wasn't "good enough." I don't care though. This is my story, and I'm sticking to it:
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I Support Barack Obama: My Story
By: Michelle K. Miller
July 26, 2008

My name is Michelle Miller. I’m a 23-year-old sophomore at Liberty University. I am also a supporter of Barack Obama. I know, that’s probably confusing to some of you, seeing as how Liberty is one of the most conservative schools in the country. However, there is a story and reason behind my support of Senator Obama.

I began going to church when I was six years old, attending with my friends or going by myself. Ten years after avidly attending church, I gave my life to Christ at Rick Gage’s Go-Tell Camp, which took place at Liberty. From that time, I really began to delve into the whole church experience— continuing weekly and bi-weekly church services, reading my Bible, and basically, agreeing with everything my pastors had to say, without really researching anything on my own. I just wanted to be the good little church girl that did what was expected of her. This blind faith following continued up until 2007, when I started attending Liberty University.

Up until that point, I was very conservative in my thoughts, my ideas, my values, and for the most part, my actions. I mean, I was human and still made mistakes, but I still considered myself to be conservatives. I wanted to be surrounded by people just like that, unlike I was at my community college and in my town. Anyhow, once I got to Liberty, and a couple of months passed, I began hearing more about politics and the general election in 2008. I hadn’t given much thought to the upcoming election, to be honest. However, in the last general election, I voted for someone really conservative—Michael Peroutka from the Constitution Party.

Well, once November came around, and the countdown to one year until the election came about, more politics were discussed. I didn’t know anything about the candidates, and it was clear that a lot of students didn’t either—aside from the Ron Paul supporters. We were subjected to one candidate, Alan Keyes, at convocation one Wednesday. I didn’t have any real problem with him; I just found him boring. However, we then had to listen to Chuck Norris-endorsed Mike Huckabee speak. I think people got way too hyped up about him. Upon listening to his speech, I didn’t like what he had to say. I just felt like he made a lot of promises that I felt were hard to believe. That, and just something about his personality rubbed me the wrong way.

It was then that I barked upon my journey to research the main contending candidates for the 2008 election. For some reason, I had heard a lot about Barack Obama, and felt really inclined to research him. The more I researched the candidates and their stances on the issues, the more I began to like Senator Obama. I read more about him and listened to some of his speeches, and I decided support him for President in 2008. It wasn’t a popular decision. Aside from my fiancé (now husband,) my friend Tara was the first person I told. She completely wigged out and yelled things like, “Don’t you know he’s a Muslim who’s going to blow up the whole country if he gets his way and becomes President?!” She made other incorrect and outrageous comments like that. A few days later, she decided to end our friendship, based on my support for the Senator. Similar patterns followed. No one wanted to talk politics with me, just because they knew I supported Senator Obama. They knew it’d end in an argument, because I had my mind made up, and they weren’t going to change it. Most people who knew about my support became very hostile toward me about it. I kind of expected it, but I at least hoped there’d be some open-minded people.

I moved off campus after the fall semester, to start the Distance Learning Program at Liberty, so it was a little easier to continue my support for Obama… but not much. I still received hostile comments and messages via mediums such as Facebook and AOL Instant Messenger. I got angry a lot of times, but began to have a new outlook after a while, and decided it wasn’t worth me getting angry and that I was going to still support Obama, and that’s all that mattered. I was standing up for something I believed in.

In February, I was messaged by the State Coordinator, Abby Williams, for Students for Barack Obama, and was asked to take over as the Chapter Coordinator of the Liberty University chapter of Students for Barack Obama. I gave it some thought, and said yes. We had one meeting in the winter, and tried to hold watch parties for the primaries, but ended up pretty inactive because of the snow and ice. However, since June, things have picked back up. I have a lot of support from amazing local Organizing Fellows, Jason Perkey and Jon Merlis, as well as others who work with them. I also have wonderful helpers, Phil Wagner and Brian Diaz, who are helping me organize from their home states, and who will be helping me put thoughts into actions when school starts back up in the fall. My story and struggle has apparently inspired the media to do pieces about me, and I’m happy to share my story.

However, there are some people who are dead-set against my voicing story, my struggle, and my thoughts that apparently go against the Bible and Liberty University’s doctrine. Many have asked me why I just don’t leave Liberty, for a different school. My answer is simple: There are people who run from adversity, and there are people who face it, tackle it, and try to change it. I am the latter. I know that I am up against a lot. That’s fine. Like I have told everyone I meet who is interested in my story: If I can convert just ONE person for Obama, it’s all worth it.

People have also asked me that if since I am a Christian, and I go to a Christian school, then how come I am voting for someone liberal? Why Obama? What was the deciding issue that brought me to my support for Senator Obama?

I have those answers.

I am a big believer in equal rights for all. Not just men, not just women, not just whites, not just blacks—and certainly not just for heterosexual couples. I know that sounds weird coming from a happily married heterosexual woman. However, I have many family members and friends who are gay, lesbian, or bisexual, and I think that they should most certainly have the same rights as couples, as I do in my heterosexual relationship. Every Christian person I talk to refutes that by saying, “Don’t you know what the Bible says about homosexuality? It’s wrong!!” Of course I know what the Bible says about homosexuality. As stated before, I’ve been to church since I was six years old, and am well aware of what the Bible says. However, I raise you this: I don’t care if the country was supposedly founded on Christian principles. Now, in the year 2008, in this country, we are Christians, Atheists, Jews, Catholics, Agnostics, Buddhists, Hindus, and every religion in between. We do not all worship the same god. So, why should those in America who aren’t Christian, have to live under laws inspired by the Christian God? Though we do not all worship the same god, and we don’t all live by the Bible, we in America, do however, live under the document that says “ALL men were created equal.” That’s right, ALL. It doesn’t say “Straight, white, conservative men were created equal.” The word “all” is inclusive of everyone. Also, I think it’s wrong to want to take away the rights of one group of people. If you’re going to take away the rights of homosexuals, why not take a step back and take away the rights of blacks, or a step farther back and take away the rights of women? It’s illogical. It makes no sense. Barack Obama is willing to allow civil unions, and give those couples the same rights as heterosexual couples, which I wholeheartedly agree with.

Now, as for the rights of women, I want to speak on the right to choose abortion or not, as someone who is 75% pro-choice and 25% pro-life. Some extreme conservatives want to do away with abortion 100%. I, however, believe that the government shouldn’t have so much control over a woman’s body. I keep being told that it is a very low percentage, but there are cases of incest, rape, and medical emergencies that a woman should have the right to opt for an abortion. However, living in a county with a high rate of teen pregnancies, I do not condone the option of abortion for promiscuous teens that go having sex with anyone, then say “Oops, I got pregnant. Time for an abortion!” I’ve been asked, then, if I think pre-marital sex is wrong. I have responded that I think it’s up to the couple, and that if they are going to have sex, they need to practice birth control. Speaking of which, Barack Obama wants to make access to birth control easier. I think that Obama’s pro-choice stance with easier access to birth control is the right balance.

Healthcare is another hot issue that I used when choosing who to support. As someone who doesn’t have healthcare because it is unaffordable, I support Obama’s plan to make healthcare easily accessible (without discrimination for pre-existing illnesses,) more affordable, and simple. I especially love that he is mandating that there be mandatory coverage of children, where they can be covered on their parents’ insurance until the age of 25. I think that’s reasonable, as 25 is a good age, because most students will be done with college, and can afford healthcare on their own then.

Furthering education is becoming less and less important to high school graduates, due to the debt that post-high school institutions cause. Senator Obama wants to fix that. His plan is to create an American Opportunity Tax Credit by simplifying the process for financial aid, ensure that the first $4000 of the student’s education is completely free, and will cover two-thirds of the cost of the student’s tuition at average public colleges and university, therefore making college pretty much free for anyone who wants to attend.

One of my main issues, and the issues of many people is not having a good job. Barack Obama wants to improve that by creating programs that will help low-income Americans to climb the ladder in the workforce, increase minimum wage (which is something we are seeing now,) increase sick days, provide tax relief, help single parents, and promote responsible fatherhood. These are just few of the good ideas Senator Obama has about improving jobs and job quality.

The last main reason I chose to support Senator Obama is his plan to bring our troops home. While he wants to be careful about how it is done, he at least has a plan. His plan is to end this war, and at one or two brigades at a time, pull out, and have them all out in sixteen months. While I think that setting something that sounds like a deadline is dangerous, I believe that Senator Obama would come through on this responsibly and victoriously.

And that, my friends, is why I support Barack Obama for President. I may continue to get criticized by church and school friends, but I can honestly say that I am standing up for someone and something I believe in—I am standing up for Barack Obama, and I am standing up for change!!
By Hold My Own
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No, this isnt how a debate takes place...stay, we'll play nice we just have questions on how you can be a "Christian" and still vote for Obama
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By BarackNRoll08
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You can only speak for yourself when you say "we'll play nice." I don't want to stay, because people on this forum are going to continue to be rude, which, in kind, will probably result in me saying things I shouldn't say, making my report of harassment to Student Conduct, completely void. Therefore, no, I will not stay. There's really no point in arguing with blatant conservatives anyway. I give up. You win.
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By BarackNRoll08
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Have fun discussing it amongst yourselves. I'm not staying, end of discussion.
By LUconn
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Great. Thanks for taking what media attention you could get as our (LU students') de facto "representative" and not answering to those very same students.
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By ToTheLeft
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BarackNRoll08 wrote:You can only speak for yourself when you say "we'll play nice." I don't want to stay, because people on this forum are going to continue to be rude, which, in kind, will probably result in me saying things I shouldn't say, making my report of harassment to Student Conduct, completely void. Therefore, no, I will not stay. There's really no point in arguing with blatant conservatives anyway. I give up. You win.
So all the 18 rep profanity on your online profiles, we can turn those in to Student Conduct, too?

Please, PLEASE file a complaint with them so that we can present all that to Student Conduct... I mean cmon, multiple 18 rep offenses, you wouldn't be able to live off campus anymore!

Translation: Making a complaint is a bad idea. (Especially since the people who said the worst of it aren't even students.)

Go back to parading around for a president you can't argue for without compromising the faith you don't seem to care much about anyways.
By Hold My Own
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BarackNRoll08 wrote:You can only speak for yourself when you say "we'll play nice." I don't want to stay, because people on this forum are going to continue to be rude, which, in kind, will probably result in me saying things I shouldn't say, making my report of harassment to Student Conduct, completely void. Therefore, no, I will not stay. There's really no point in arguing with blatant conservatives anyway. I give up. You win.

This race may be easier then I thought...I hope Obama folds as easily as his supporters do....THE HEAD LEADER AT THAT!!!!



Tell me Obama is relying of more then this Miller chick for central Virginia




Psssst...I'm going to let you in on a little secret too...you will actually have people who oppose you to your face, which tends to be tougher then when you have opposition on the internet...prepare yourself and you better toughen up...enjoy your 15 minutes of fame...it's coming to an end shortly
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By BarackNRoll08
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Go ahead. Turn them in. I could care less. I CAN still live off campus, BTW... I'm married. The worst they can do is tell me I can't go to Liberty anymore. Oh boo hoo. Seriously, don't you guys have anything better to do with your time?

I love how you guys harp on me for not acting Christ like, when you all are the ones who act so out of line with Christianity, that it's no wonder non-Christians don't want anything to do with Christians.

Then again, isn't that what LU is all about?
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By 01LUGrad
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I commend you on having the guts to speak your mind in a very hostile environment. That isn't an easy thing to do and I'm sorry that people have been idiots about it.

That being said, I disagree with several of the things you posted. I don't have to space to get into all of the details here, but for starters, all of the things Obama is promising is going to cost a ton of money. Free college to everyone? Health care paid for by the government? Where is that money coming from? Bringing the troops home from Iraq isn't going to raise the money. Raising taxes for the "rich" isn't going to do it either. He will have two options if he becomes President. He can either raise taxes on everyone, or, more than likely, he won't do any of things he has promised. That doesn't fit in well with the whole "change" thing.

There is no such thing as a free lunch. If you want to give things, you also have to take them. Something tells me that since I worked my butt of to pay for college, have a good job, have healthcare for myself and my family, and don't need a tax break to be a good father, I am going to be paying for those who get all of the things for free that I worked for.
By Hold My Own
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BarackNRoll08 wrote:Go ahead. Turn them in. I could care less. I CAN still live off campus, BTW... I'm married. The worst they can do is tell me I can't go to Liberty anymore. Oh boo hoo. Seriously, don't you guys have anything better to do with your time?

I love how you guys harp on me for not acting Christ like, when you all are the ones who act so out of line with Christianity, that it's no wonder non-Christians don't want anything to do with Christians.

Then again, isn't that what LU is all about?

Thought you were leaving? :dontgetit
By thesportscritic
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BarackNRoll08 wrote:Go ahead. Turn them in. I could care less. I CAN still live off campus, BTW... I'm married. The worst they can do is tell me I can't go to Liberty anymore. Oh boo hoo. Seriously, don't you guys have anything better to do with your time?

I love how you guys harp on me for not acting Christ like, when you all are the ones who act so out of line with Christianity, that it's no wonder non-Christians don't want anything to do with Christians.

Then again, isn't that what LU is all about?
:roll: :blahblah

i've heard this story a lot in the past and its getting annoying.
By ALUmnus
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Dang, spend one day away from a computer and look what I miss.
By 4everfsu
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I wonder if they have a crying towel with Barack's face on it.
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By JDUB
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what i want to know is why would someone who is against everything LU stands for go to the school? just for 15 min on the local news when they decide to vote for obama? I'm agreeing with HMO, I hope he has some better campaign leaders somewhere else. I mean, if you can't even defend him on a message board how in the world would you hold up with face to face confrontation? As part of a campaign you should be able to explain why people should vote for obama, more specifically than 'change'. The only change i've seen so far is his positions on issues
By SuperJon
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Alright, we're done here. I absolutely hate locking threads, but let's play nice. If she's willing to talk, let's talk. Take it to the other thread and at least be civil. If you're going to make fun of her, do it through AIM and text messages, not on here.
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By Sly Fox
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Come on, everyone. Let's stick to arguing the facts and not get off on the juvenile shots at her personally. Let's try and take the high road.
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