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http://www.reuters.com/article/topNews/ ... 22&sp=true
Workers shifting to 4-day week to save gasoline

By Andrea Hopkins


CINCINNATI (Reuters) - When Ohio's Kent State University offered custodial staff the option of working four days a week instead of five to cut commuting costs, most jumped at the chance, part of a U.S. trend aimed at combating soaring gasoline prices.

"We offered it to 94 employees and 78 have taken us up on it," said university spokesman Scott Rainone.

The reason is simple: rising gas prices and a desire to retain good workers. And while so far only the university's custodians are eligible, Rainone hopes the option will be offered to all departments -- including his own.

"In our office, we have people who travel anywhere from five or six miles to a couple who are on the road 45 to 50 minutes," Rainone said. "As the price of gas rises, the level of grumbling rises."

Regular gasoline averages $3.94 a gallon in the United States, up 33 cents in the past month and 88 cents since the beginning of the year, the Energy Information Administration said this week.

The federal government has offered four-day workweeks to eligible employees for years as part of a flexible work program that also includes telecommuting.

But the surge in gasoline prices is pushing more private employers as well as local governments to offer a four-day week as a perk that eliminates two commutes a week.

Staff at Neighborhood Development Services in rural northeastern Ohio were talking about quitting to find work closer to their homes when executive director Dave Vaughan stepped in with offers to compress their work week.

"I didn't want to lose people," Vaughan said of the program, which more than half of his 19 employees began last week. "In rural areas like we are, gas price increases are more challenging because we don't have the mass transit alternative -- we can't jump on a bus or take a train."

Eventually, Vaughan hopes to close the office one day a week, further reducing energy costs.

In America's struggling automaking heartland, the shorter workweek offers employers a way of rewarding employees when the budget does not allow a salary increase, said Oakland County, Michigan, executive L. Brooks Patterson.

"By allowing employees to work four 10-hour days it will save them 20 percent on their commute costs and ease the financial pinch of filling up their cars," said Patterson, who last week proposed the compressed week for county workers.

Gasoline prices have begun altering U.S. commutes in many ways, a survey released on Thursday showed.

CHANGING HABITS

Some 44 percent of respondents said they have changed the way they commute -- doing things such as sharing a ride or driving a more fuel-efficient car -- or are working from home or looking for a closer job in order to reduce gasoline costs, according to staffing services company Robert Half International. That's up from 34 percent two years ago.

On New York's Long Island, Suffolk County legislator Wayne Horsley also has proposed employees have the option of working four 10-hour shifts, rather than five eight-hour shifts, saying it would save 461 barrels of oil in a 120-day pilot project.

"This is a gasoline-driven proposition and we're looking to change people's long term philosophies of life," Horsley said.

The program, termed Operation Sunshine, will cut gasoline costs for workers who drive an average round trip of 32 miles to work. It also aims to cut the county's energy bill by having fewer employees in the office at a time, Horsley said.

In Oklahoma, a resolution is pending before the state legislature encouraging state agencies to implement flexible work schedules that would allow the four-day workweek.

"State employees are on fixed budgets and they are not usually the most highly paid in our society," said State Sen. Earl Garrison, a Democrat, who sponsored the measure.

Some schools, including community colleges in rural areas where commutes are long and public transportation is scarce, already have plans to drop a day of classes, usually Fridays.

The school district in Marietta, Georgia, a city north of Atlanta, institutes a four-day week during June and July when schools are out and it is mostly administrative staff who are working, saving on air conditioning and water in addition to commuting costs for employees, said Thomas Algarin, director of communications at Marietta City Schools.

But a four-day workweek brings problems too. The state government in Ohio is bucking the national trend and canceling an 8-year-old policy that allowed a compressed workweek.

"There were just too many vacant seats on Friday," said Ron Sylvester, a spokesman for the Ohio Department of Administrative Services.
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By JDUB
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the HVAC company i worked for in high school was on a 4 day schedule because of gas then. I know several companies are thinking about changing over to that in the construction areas back home
By Realist
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My corporation is switching to it for the summer. I don't think it has to do with gas prices, more with simply cost saving for the company and allowing parents to be home with their kids more during the summer.

I'm going to love the three day weekends.
By ATrain
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Could be bad news for hourly employees...however, I know many people will definitely enjoy a 3-day weekend.
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By Sly Fox
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ATrain wrote:Could be bad news for hourly employees...however, I know many people will definitely enjoy a 3-day weekend.
Only if they are accustomed to daily OT in order to survive. 40 hours is still 40 hours whether worked in 4 days or 5.
By belcherboy
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The problem I could see would be with people who are in sales and base much of their income on commission from those sales. For everyone else, 40 hours is 40 hours. If you get four, 10 hour days, why not?

I wonder if Liberty would ever consider this? They have plenty of rooms, why not make a Monday through Thursday schedule? I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why they wouldn't, but that would be cool for the prof's and the students!
By SuperJon
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belcherboy wrote:The problem I could see would be with people who are in sales and base much of their income on commission from those sales. For everyone else, 40 hours is 40 hours. If you get four, 10 hour days, why not?

I wonder if Liberty would ever consider this? They have plenty of rooms, why not make a Monday through Thursday schedule? I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why they wouldn't, but that would be cool for the prof's and the students!
Not possible with convo.
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By JDUB
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i think unc charlotte has a 4 day schedule. i have some friends there who don't have friday classes.
By 4everfsu
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If companies want to help conserver fuels and energy, let people whose jobs could be done at home work from home, like a lot of IT jobs would qualify. If a boss has workers who cannot function working at home pull them back into the office. Also if companies can swing such a proposal then they should get some kind of tax write off from the govt.
By SuperJon
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If I could access the files I need for work from my computer, I'd rarely ever have to go in.
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By JDUB
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the problem with that is companies have enough trouble keeping people focused at work when they are in the building (don't believe me? look at how many posts are on here between 8-5), it would be much worse if people were at home. productivity would fall dramatically
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By Cider Jim
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LU's summer school is Monday - Thursday. On a related note, I finished coaching Little League last night and the parents gave us a gift card--to a gas station (I'm serious). Our Honda Civic driving head coach said, "I could use that tonight!"
By FlamingChick
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JDUB wrote:the problem with that is companies have enough trouble keeping people focused at work when they are in the building (don't believe me? look at how many posts are on here between 8-5), it would be much worse if people were at home. productivity would fall dramatically
Actually, there are studies that show that most times people are more productive when they work from home. As someone who currently works from home from time to time (and have had positions where I worked from home 95% of the time..), I can vouch for that. I am usually more productive at home. I think it's because (a) there are not as many distractions; (b) you are not really worried as much about cut off times, i.e. lunch, time to go home; (c) it's easier to put in more hours at home b/c you're in a more comfortable environment.
By LUconn
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FlamingChick wrote:
JDUB wrote:the problem with that is companies have enough trouble keeping people focused at work when they are in the building (don't believe me? look at how many posts are on here between 8-5), it would be much worse if people were at home. productivity would fall dramatically
Actually, there are studies that show that most times people are more productive when they work from home. As someone who currently works from home from time to time (and have had positions where I worked from home 95% of the time..), I can vouch for that. I am usually more productive at home. I think it's because (a) there are not as many distractions; (b) you are not really worried as much about cut off times, i.e. lunch, time to go home; (c) it's easier to put in more hours at home b/c you're in a more comfortable environment.
yeah, our company did a pilot program and a lot of research and found the same thing. The remote employees productivity killed the on campus employees. However, if you choose to be remote, you're not gonna be "seen", which is crucial to netowrking and moving up the ladder.
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By RubberMallet
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99% of what i do can be done from home.
By dcbailey
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...exactly. I can access FF from either location!
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By Sly Fox
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USA Today ran a story Thursday on how many community colleges are switching to the 4-day week.

I have worked 4-day work weeks and 6-day work weeks. It depends on the tasks whether or not I have a strong preference. These days I live ina freelance world where I rarely work more than 3 days a week and I love it. But this too shall pass.
By scuzdriver
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SuperJon wrote:If I could access the FIRES I need for work from my computer, I'd rarely ever have to go in.
Think that'd work for us firefighters? hmmmm
By Hold My Own
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belcherboy wrote:The problem I could see would be with people who are in sales and base much of their income on commission from those sales. For everyone else, 40 hours is 40 hours. If you get four, 10 hour days, why not?

I wonder if Liberty would ever consider this? They have plenty of rooms, why not make a Monday through Thursday schedule? I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why they wouldn't, but that would be cool for the prof's and the students!

They are tapped out for the hours in a week as it is
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By RubberMallet
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me and my cohort pound the pavement for 9 months out fo theyear...probably workign 55-60 hours a week....in the summer when it slows down (we sell to schools) we work probably 25-30 hours a week...its wonderful
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By flamesbball84
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I have the option to work foru 10-hour days or five 8-hour days. I'd be working from 6-5 (hour for lunch) for a four-day week or 7:30-4:30 for a five-day week. They have been doing this for several years now, I still work five-day weeks because I don't want to spend 45.83% of my day at work...
By belcherboy
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SuperJon wrote:
belcherboy wrote:The problem I could see would be with people who are in sales and base much of their income on commission from those sales. For everyone else, 40 hours is 40 hours. If you get four, 10 hour days, why not?

I wonder if Liberty would ever consider this? They have plenty of rooms, why not make a Monday through Thursday schedule? I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why they wouldn't, but that would be cool for the prof's and the students!
Not possible with convo.
They couldn't do convo on Mon/Wed or Tue/Thur? Or if you wanted to keep Friday, just go to school Tuesday through Friday and do a Tues/Thur or Wed/Fri convo. It would be a tight schedule, but you would be extending the day if you created a 4 day school week.



Hold My Own wrote:
belcherboy wrote:The problem I could see would be with people who are in sales and base much of their income on commission from those sales. For everyone else, 40 hours is 40 hours. If you get four, 10 hour days, why not?

I wonder if Liberty would ever consider this? They have plenty of rooms, why not make a Monday through Thursday schedule? I'm sure there are plenty of reasons why they wouldn't, but that would be cool for the prof's and the students!

They are tapped out for the hours in a week as it is
How so? They would obviously extend the class day. Classes might not get out till 7-8 p.m., but without a Friday or a Monday to deal with, I think the students and the profs would LOVE it.
By FlamingChick
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LUconn wrote:
FlamingChick wrote:
JDUB wrote:the problem with that is companies have enough trouble keeping people focused at work when they are in the building (don't believe me? look at how many posts are on here between 8-5), it would be much worse if people were at home. productivity would fall dramatically
Actually, there are studies that show that most times people are more productive when they work from home. As someone who currently works from home from time to time (and have had positions where I worked from home 95% of the time..), I can vouch for that. I am usually more productive at home. I think it's because (a) there are not as many distractions; (b) you are not really worried as much about cut off times, i.e. lunch, time to go home; (c) it's easier to put in more hours at home b/c you're in a more comfortable environment.
yeah, our company did a pilot program and a lot of research and found the same thing. The remote employees productivity killed the on campus employees. However, if you choose to be remote, you're not gonna be "seen", which is crucial to netowrking and moving up the ladder.
Depending on your field, being "seen" may or may not be that crucial...
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