[Ed Dantes]

I wanted to dedicate an entire thread to this, just to get something off my chest.

Barack Obama is all about change. You know what? That's great -- the government sucks. It needs to be changed. Thomas Jefferson wrote something to the effect of "whenever governments become intolerable to these ends, it is the rights of the citizens to alter or abolish it."

But there's one underlying point I want to make. Just let me build up to it:

- I've read about how he (and Hillary, too) are wooing the superdelegates, who will most likely determine the Democrat party's Presidential nominee at the end of August. Obama's people (and Hillary, too), are giving money to these people (e.g., trying to buy their votes).

- John Edwards is yet to endorse a candidate. However, his endorsement is quite significant because he had a following amongst blue collar workers and union members, both of whom are a critical constituency during the upcoming primaries in Texas, Ohio, and Pennsylvania.

- There were rumors about how if Obama won the presidency, he'd make John edwards the Attorney General. Shortly thereafter, Edwards dropped out of the race, and Obama put up a significant fight against Hillary on Super Tuesday. Since then, Obama has been seen with Edwards.


So what's my point? If Barack Obama wins the nomination, it's going to be because he successfully managed to court enough superdelegates (who are the party leaders) and associated big-wigs (like John Edwards). While that's not a problem, take this into consideration...

Barack Obama's theme is "change". He wants to change the culture in Washington -- yet, if he is successful, it is because of that culture in Washington -- the backroom deals, the quid pro quo agreements.

So -- can you really believe someone is going to CHANGE the culture in Washington -- when it is that very culture that put him into office in the first place?

[TylerBakersGonnaBGreat]

Im not getting involved with this thread, but good job

[mrmacphisto]

The more things change, the more they stay the same.

[Baldspot]

The last thing we need is a learn as you go President.

Keep an eye on Ms Obama's ...I've never been proud of my country... comments. The far left really does despise us.

[01LUGrad]

I'll use a statement a news producer friend of mine used the other day when describing Barack. It's like he's dancing on glass out there. It looks pretty, but when things break, look out.

I bought into the whole "change" thing when I first heard him speak. Wow. The man can stir up a crowd like no one I have ever heard, except for this one guy who had an entire country eating out of his hand a while back. Things were bad in his country. Really bad. He promised to restore his country's honor. Then he invaded the Rhineland in 1936 and we got ourselves a little thing called World War II.

Don't get your panties in a wad- I'm not trying to say Obama is another Hitler. I'm just saying the man has a speaking style that is reminiscent of der Fuhrer. Sometimes you have to go below the rhetoric and see the guy for what he really is. When I do that I don't see a whole lot of things I like.

For the record, I'm not all that high on John McCain either.

[FlamingChick]

So what's my point? If Barack Obama wins the nomination, it's going to be because he successfully managed to court enough superdelegates (who are the party leaders) and associated big-wigs (like John Edwards).

Not necessarily.....Though this is likely to come down to the superdelegates deciding who wins the nomination, we must also recognize that Barack Obama is winning the popular vote. IMO, if Barack is still the "people's choice" come time for the convention, the superdelagates should all vote for him--but you know how that goes

[jmdickens]

superdelegates can vote for whoever they want; they are independent voters, voting the way the popular vote is just a trend the process has taken. but if you look at states compared to national polls, they are closer than you think.

I just want to know what Obama is going to change....legally???

[RubberMallet]

superdelegates can vote for whoever they want; they are independent voters, voting the way the popular vote is just a trend the process has taken. but if you look at states compared to national polls, they are closer than you think.

I just want to know what Obama is going to change....legally???

hope?


and with hope he'll invoke change

[Knucklehead]

It is very scary to me how this guy has zero real experience or acomplishments and everyone is flocking to him like a Rock Star. Osama...oops I mean Obama (click here for reference http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id ... _article=1) is nothing but a pop culture icon.
Here is where I say something that you need to listen to carefully or you will think I've gone even crazier. To a degree, the way he has burst onto the scene reminds me of the Bible's description of the Anti-Christ. He is a smooth talker who says only what will endear him to the public. He has NO subsstance in what he says. The people love him because of attributes that have nothing to do with political success (looks, race, good speeches, they want change (whatever that means), he's not G.W. Bush, etc.). If he were to be elected, then is when the disguise would come off and he would show us who he really is. He would unleash the full fury of his far left leaning socialist philosophies. (Disclaimer- I do not believe Barack is actually the Anti-Christ)
Another point, people (myself included) are getting angry at his wife for her statement about being a proud American for the first time in her life. I guarantee he feels the same exact way. These are people who do not love the America we love, the LOVE a socialist leaning no substance America. It's a disaster waiting to happen.

[jcmanson]

Obama=anti-christ

Listen to one of his speeches, it will lure you in. I almost fell when I listened.

[Knucklehead]

I know folks (LU ALUMS) who are going for OBAMA! You heard me right. The scary part is you can't talk sense to them. You start talking policy (or lack thereof) and they hear you as the teacher from Peanuts (Wha wha wah wha)

[RubberMallet]

i've taken a few online thingy's that have recommended obama over mccain.....but all those only take into account their stance on issues not any of the other important factors...

[belcherboy]

I hate to say it, but this country deserves Obama as President. Many people want the president and government to make everything better. Most don't realize what that type of government that would be. The problem with a President Obama is he could cause damage that would take decades to repair, if it could be repaired at all. I think Obama would be like Jimmy Carter. Once everyone realized what an idiot he was, it took us 5 years just to recover. Obama could create/sign legislation that could absolutely destroy our economy.

Unfortunately, I'm not sure I will vote for McCain. I'm looking at a third party candidate or write in. I'm just tired of the GOP not doing what they were elected to do. They had power, and pooped it away. It is so nice to know that all of this is leading us toward the return of Christ!

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

Knuckle, there is a book being written that is almost finished, its been in the works for a while, about what you described with how obamas rise to popularity is so similar to that of the anti christ, and once again its not saying he is the antichrist. Its just about the anti christ and his rise to power is nearly identical to that of Baracks.

[Knucklehead]

Dang, I guess I need to stop writing mine.

[jcmanson]

Obama=anti-christ

[LUconn]

I think it's funny that everytime a leader rises up that the evangelical folks disagree with you always hear, "I think he's the antichrist, and here's why..." and then they compare the person to Revelation bible verses. I think some folks just want to be able to say "see? I so called that 2 years ago" when the antichrist finally does come and turns our world into chaos.

[Knucklehead]

Luconn
This is the first time I have gone here in my life. I've been saying this for over a year.
If you have different Ideas please explain his explosion and power as a NOONE!

[LUconn]

He's a senator. A 1st term senator. The easiest way to get elected is to not have a voting record to look at.

[RagingTireFire]

I wonder what Jack Van Impe is doing right now.

[RagingTireFire]

If you have different Ideas please explain his explosion and power as a NOONE!

I'm with the hand puppet here. Face it, the Democrats didn't have any better a selection of candidates this year than the Republicans did. It was either a half dozen grouchy old men, a smooth-talking newcomer with no particular reason to oppose him -- aside from logic but if Democrats used logic, they'd be Republicans -- or Hillary. And nobody likes Hillary.

[Knucklehead]

He's a senator. A 1st term senator. The easiest way to get elected is to not have a voting record to look at.

On the contrary, his voting record in his short time in DC is EXTREMELY liberal. Check out Barack on the issues: http://www.ontheissues.org/Senate/Barack_Obama.htm
Or look anywhere his record is well publicized!

NOONE IS LOOKING AT IT! They look at him as a rock-star that could do no wrong. Those who follow him follow him blindly and don't care what he believes or would do!

[jcmanson]

That's the first time I've ever said that about anybody, and it is in jest. But there is something odd about him, and when the anti-christ does come on the scene I expect it to be alot like Obama's rise but this guy won't be from the U.S. When I listen to Obama speak, I feel as if I am being drawn in to what he's saying because he is a very good speaker.

[RagingTireFire]

NOONE IS LOOKING AT IT! They look at him as a rock-star that could do no wrong. Those who follow him follow him blindly and don't care what he believes or would do!

Does your CapsLock get stuck periodically?

Anyway.

Patience, grasshopper. After the nominations is when the crap really starts to hit the fan. You won't be the only one flipping out then.

[Knucklehead]

Voted YES on expanding research to more embryonic stem cell lines. (Apr 2007)
Voted NO on notifying parents of minors who get out-of-state abortions. (Jul 2006)
Voted YES on $100M to reduce teen pregnancy by education & contraceptives. (Mar 2005)
Voted against banning partial birth abortion. (Oct 2007)
Voted NO on paying down federal debt by rating programs' effectiveness. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on $40B in reduced federal overall spending. (Dec 2005)
Voted NO on recommending Constitutional ban on flag desecration. (Jun 2006)
Voted NO on constitutional ban of same-sex marriage. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on repealing tax subsidy for companies which move US jobs offshore. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on reforming bankruptcy to include means-testing & restrictions. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on banning drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge. (Mar 2005)
Voted YES on factoring global warming into federal project planning. (May 2007)
Voted YES on disallowing an oil leasing program in Alaska's ANWR. (Nov 2005)
Voted YES on establishing a Guest Worker program. (May 2006)
Voted YES on allowing illegal aliens to participate in Social Security. (May 2006)
Voted YES on giving Guest Workers a path to citizenship.
Voted NO on declaring English as the official language of the US government. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on restricting employer interference in union organizing. (Jun 2007)
Voted YES on increasing minimum wage to $7.25. (Feb 2007)
Voted YES on raising the minimum wage to $7.25 rather than $6.25. (Mar 2005)
Voted NO on prohibiting lawsuits against gun manufacturers. (Jul 2005)
Voted NO on repealing the Alternative Minimum Tax. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on raising estate tax exemption to $5 million. (Mar 2007)
Voted NO on supporting permanence of estate tax cuts. (Aug 2006)
Voted NO on permanently repealing the `death tax`. (Jun 2006)
Voted YES on $47B for military by repealing capital gains tax cut. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on retaining reduced taxes on capital gains & dividends. (Feb 2006)
Voted NO on extending the tax cuts on capital gains and dividends. (Nov 2005)

That's just a few!