[truedrewdawg87]

As bad as they've been, Notre Dame would DESTROY Elon, William and Mary and probably Toledo. Three teams Liberty COULDN'T beat, and one of which it got ROUTED by. I love Liberty, and I love LU athletics, but one thing that REALLY bothers me about this fan base is how DISGUSTINGLY IMPATIENT it can be sometimes. This program has NEVER been to the playoffs, only beaten ONE I-A team and just when it is on the verge of winning a conference title outright, people suddenly think that a team with a world of history and tradition that is going through a bad year, would EVEN schedule Liberty, let alone even think about letting the Flames keep it close. Does Liberty have a good team this year? Absolutely. Does Liberty have a team good enough to win in South Bend or even get the Irish on their schedule? Not by a long shot.
Why this was even brought up to begin with I will NEVER understand.

[Fumblerooskies]

Impatience is always better than apathy.

[truedrewdawg87]

I didn't say we should be apathetic, we should be REALISTIC and definitely not ridiculous. It is great to have goals and aspire to achieve things. But the problem begins when the goals of the fan base are TOTALLY different than the current goals of the program. I don't hear Rocco talking about trips to South Bend and keeping it close with the Irish. All three of Liberty's losses this season came to teams with NO shot at a postseason, which cost Liberty a shot at one as well. If you guys wanna schedule Notre Dame and make it four losses to teams with no postseason hopes, go right ahead. But, be careful what you wish for.

[FlameDad]

Impatience is always better than apathy.

True every time, with sports and life!

[truedrewdawg87]

Then why doesn't Liberty schedule three or four major D-1 teams a year. I'm not talking Toledo, I mean more like LSU, USC, Florida and West Virginia, that should do wonders for those playoff dreams. At least then the program wouldn't have to worry about apathy right?

[FlameDad]

Don't equate impatience with stupidity.....

[olldflame]

Then why doesn't Liberty schedule three or four major D-1 teams a year. I'm not talking Toledo, I mean more like LSU, USC, Florida and West Virginia, that should do wonders for those playoff dreams. At least then the program wouldn't have to worry about apathy right?

We are not talking about LSU, USC or Florida. We are talking about NOTRE DAME, and they are Awful!
The idea that you would even use those powerhouse teams in a conversation re the Irish is ludicrus.

[El Scorcho]

Why this was even brought up to begin with I will NEVER understand.

Then apparently you're not familiar with what our former Chancellor viewed as the pinnacle of football. It was simply brought up based on that statement.

Even if that wasn't the case, it was brought up for FUN. You know, fun? Giggles and grins. Goofiness. Playing the hypotheticals can be a fun way to pass time.

Don't take everything so seriously! Chill out.

[truedrewdawg87]

Right, because ONE season is a GREAT measuring stick of a program. Then, maybe Liberty should play three or four 1-A teams that are currently 'down', and just assume they'll win two or three if not ALL of those games and punch their ticket to the playoffs right then. Yeah, because hey, if Appalachian can do it, than certainly a program like Liberty, that in reality has achieved NOTHING to this point in 1-AA, can pull off that kind of upset. But it wouldn't be an upset would it? You guys already said the Flames could keep it close with Notre Dame if not win, so Liberty beating a 'down' 1-A team wouldn't be an upset would it? Look out Baylor, here comes Liberty! Oh wait, didn't you guys say the same thing before the Elon game?

[FlameDad]

Right, because ONE season is a GREAT measuring stick of a program. Then, maybe Liberty should play three or four 1-A teams that are currently 'down', and just assume they'll win two or three if not ALL of those games and punch their ticket to the playoffs right then. Yeah, because hey, if Appalachian can do it, than certainly a program like Liberty, that in reality has achieved NOTHING to this point in 1-AA, can pull off that kind of upset. But it wouldn't be an upset would it? You guys already said the Flames could keep it close with Notre Dame if not win, so Liberty beating a 'down' 1-A team wouldn't be an upset would it? Look out Baylor, here comes Liberty! Oh wait, didn't you guys say the same thing before the Elon game?

Whoa there big fella - chill out and re-read Scorcho's post above.

one word - decaf

[El Scorcho]

Right, because ONE season is a GREAT measuring stick of a program. Then, maybe Liberty should play three or four 1-A teams that are currently 'down', and just assume they'll win two or three if not ALL of those games and punch their ticket to the playoffs right then. Yeah, because hey, if Appalachian can do it, than certainly a program like Liberty, that in reality has achieved NOTHING to this point in 1-AA, can pull off that kind of upset. But it wouldn't be an upset would it? You guys already said the Flames could keep it close with Notre Dame if not win, so Liberty beating a 'down' 1-A team wouldn't be an upset would it? Look out Baylor, here comes Liberty! Oh wait, didn't you guys say the same thing before the Elon game?

So, what did optimism ever do to you? Did you and fun have it out? Maybe you and cheerfulness could get together over coffee sometime and work it out.

[truedrewdawg87]

There is a HUGE, HUGE difference between optimism and unrealistic expectations. At the beginning of this season, I was optimistic and confident that Liberty could win the Big South and have a good enough season to make the playoffs. I was equally as optimistic and confident that the Flames could even win a game if not two in the postseason. For a program with no real tradition, that is realistic optimism. Thinking that Notre Dame would EVER schedule Liberty, let alone lose to the Flames is just RIDICULOUS. Excuse me for trying to be rational.

[El Scorcho]

Thinking that Notre Dame would EVER schedule Liberty, let alone lose to the Flames is just RIDICULOUS. Excuse me for trying to be rational.

Sorry, but I can't excuse you for that this time. I don't think anyone ever intended for this to be completely rational. Nor do I think that it was intended to be a talk about the future. It was just a hypothetical question about this year's ND team versus this year's LU team. I'm not even on the side that thinks LU would win, but I think you're a lot more upset than everyone else is about it, for some reason.

Like I said before, this was just a hypothetical question asked in good fun in light of our former Chancellor's dream to one day see us beat ND. You had to make it all serious and stuff, and that's been the only ridiculous thing in this thread.

[dwhite]

no truedawg, i think they were entirely serious about trying to add notre dame to the schedule this season. i'm sure barber's working on it hard so we can get them to play us. maybe christmas day, like start a tradition - we'll play every christmas day, and we could call it something like "battle for the babe in the manger" or something.

the biggest thing to remember about this thread: IT DOESN'T MATTER.

[Knucklehead]

However, I'll think we'll have our current coach longer than they'll have theirs. Charlie will soon be back as an OC in the NFL.

[firebird]

It's really kind of fun to ponder things like this isn't it? IMO, most might be surprised to see just how competitive the upper eschelon of FCS would be with the mid to low range FBS. The Sagrin ratings support this thinking.

On a completely different subject, it's great to see how well your team is doing! I'll be making the trip to Lynchburg next season for the Elon game. Best of luck against GW.

[truedrewdawg87]

[quote="El Scorcho"][quote="truedrewdawg87"]Thinking that Notre Dame would EVER schedule Liberty, let alone lose to the Flames is just RIDICULOUS. Excuse me for trying to be rational.[/quote]

Sorry, but I can't excuse you for that this time. I don't think anyone ever intended for this to be completely rational. Nor do I think that it was intended to be a talk about the future. It was just a hypothetical question about this year's ND team versus this year's LU team. I'm not even on the side that thinks LU would win, but I think you're a lot more upset than everyone else is about it, for some reason.

Like I said before, this was just a hypothetical question asked in good fun in light of our former Chancellor's dream to one day see us beat ND. You had to make it all serious and stuff, and that's been the only ridiculous thing in this thread.[/quote]

That's too bad because I really wasn't looking for you to excuse my opinion. And I hate to break it to you, but it is a good thing all this Notre Dame talk was hypothetical, because like I said, to think that Notre Dame would EVER schedule Liberty, let alone lose to the Flames is just RIDICULOUS. Go look up the last time Notre Dame played a 1-AA team, and if it was in the last 40 years, I'll be HAPPY to admit I was wrong.
I don't live under a rock, I realize that Notre Dame is having a bad season. I also realize that Liberty got OWNED by Elon. That's why I think it is a tad bit unrealistic to think that somehow the Flames could keep it close against a bad Notre Dame team. You guys seem to be overlooking that loss, along with the William and Mary and Toldeo losses, and just how BAD those teams Liberty lost to really are.

[firebird]

FWIW, Sagrin Ratings:

Notre Dame 103 61.48
Elon U 108 61.05
Liberty U 135 53.99

[truedrewdawg87]

Right, because games are won on Sagrin ratings and definitely not on the field. Somebody should have asked Michigan about that before the season started.

[firebird]

Well, that's why we play the games rather than just calling Jeff Sagrin isn't it?

[BJWilliams]

I must say as unnecessarily immature as it is seeing Scorcho and truedrewdawg going back and forth like a couple of spolied children...I am entertained by it

[Knucklehead]

This is such a fun thread.
Look, I don't think it matters to the original question whether or not you think Notre Dame would schedule us or not. It was a FANTASY question. Some on here can not handle speculation. That's cool. However I would like to think we can all teleport ourselves to fantasy land and pretent Notre Dame and LU were to play THIS year and give an opinion of what would happen.

[Knucklehead]

I must say as unnecessarily immature as it is seeing Scorcho and truedrewdawg going back and forth like a couple of spolied children...I am entertained by it

Scorcho - I'm Waiting!

[El Scorcho]

That's too bad because I really wasn't looking for you to excuse my opinion.

You said "excuse me", or was that just for fun? Nah, couldn't have been. This thread is serious business!

You guys seem to be overlooking that loss, along with the William and Mary and Toldeo losses, and just how BAD those teams Liberty lost to really are.

I don't think anyone here has overlooked those losses. What some of us realize, however, is that from the Toledo game forward, we've been playing a different caliber of football. The losses are losses, and they are the measure of a team just as much as the wins, but I think a lot of folks would love to have a do-over for that Elon game. W&M and Toledo were what they were. I don't think either of those teams is that bad, but you do, and that's okay.

By all means, please continue to keep it real. We wouldn't want our hypothetical fun getting out of hand.

BJ: Glad to see someone sees the entertainment value of this thread.

[olldflame]

Right, because games are won on Sagrin ratings and definitely not on the field. Somebody should have asked Michigan about that before the season started.

Well................................... This year, they sure aren't won on the field in SOUTH BEND!!!!!