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A good win in the sense of the fact that W & M competes in the tough Colonial conference and is competitive despite the poor record. The talent level in the Colonial conference is vastly superior to the Big South and that is an understatement. Not to mention the intangibles of beating a respected in state foe.
Funny how before the season everyone wasn't saying W&M is respectable and that the schedule sucked because W&M wasn't good anymore, etc, then they go out and kill DII VMI and have a shootout with UD in which they never were really in the game and they're all of a sudden respectable. You guys need to make up your mind. Either they're good or not. You're confusing me.
W&M is confusing me. I don't know if they are good or not. I've been talking with people around Richmond this week, and they are like good luck you're going to need it! I know alot of these people don't follow IAA closely enough to know, but this win will give us respectability in the commonwealth. Believe it or not Jon, but it will. I'm not saying it will be our biggest win ever, but it will be our biggest win in along time.
On paper, they seem to be a lot better than last year. Especially at the QB position. We'll know for sure come tomorrow though. I guess we'll also see how good we are too...
jcmanson wrote:W&M is confusing me. I don't know if they are good or not. I've been talking with people around Richmond this week, and they are like good luck you're going to need it! I know alot of these people don't follow IAA closely enough to know, but this win will give us respectability in the commonwealth. Believe it or not Jon, but it will. I'm not saying it will be our biggest win ever, but it will be our biggest win in along time.
Maybe in the minds of people who don't follow anything. People who follow I-AA know how we are.
jcmanson wrote:W&M is confusing me. I don't know if they are good or not. I've been talking with people around Richmond this week, and they are like good luck you're going to need it! I know alot of these people don't follow IAA closely enough to know, but this win will give us respectability in the commonwealth. Believe it or not Jon, but it will. I'm not saying it will be our biggest win ever, but it will be our biggest win in along time.
Maybe in the minds of people who don't follow anything. People who follow I-AA know how we are.
I know, and I'm not arguing that. I'm arguing the fact that to the "casual" college football fan in Virginia, beating W&M would go a LONG way in us earning respect. Especially after they destroyed VMI. Once again, I'm talking about the "casual" football fan in the state of Virginia.
I never said W & M sucked but maybe others either did or said something that resembled that fact. I said that W & M is a below par team in the Colonial conference (The toughest 1AA conference in the country right now). They are respected considering their recent history of getting to the playoffs and their final four finish 3 years ago when they lost to JMU. They are as well coached as any team we play but just a little talent poor when compared with years past and other great teams in the Colonial conference. That is my opinion and what I know about William and Mary. A win for LU would be great since we would beat a team with such a great past in a power conference but I wouldn't say it compares to the App State win several years ago but would be the best win since that game in 97. And don't get me started about Chuck South and the Big South conference.
Even if we do win, the "respect" that you people are talking about from people in VA isn't going to come. They're going to say W&M was without three starters and that they weren't good anyways. We don't get respect from this game, period. There are things bigger than the state of Virginia.
I never said the state of Virginia was all there was, but Rocco has stated several times he wants to recruit in Virginia with the best of them. He can't do that if we don't win games like this. There is a lot of talent in VA, and a lot of talent near Williamsburg.
Stevev wrote:I never said W & M sucked but maybe others either did or said something that resembled that fact. I said that W & M is a below par team in the Colonial conference (The toughest 1AA conference in the country right now). They are respected considering their recent history of getting to the playoffs and their final four finish 3 years ago when they lost to JMU. They are as well coached as any team we play but just a little talent poor when compared with years past and other great teams in the Colonial conference. That is my opinion and what I know about William and Mary. A win for LU would be great since we would beat a team with such a great past in a power conference but I wouldn't say it compares to the App State win several years ago but would be the best win since that game in 97. And don't get me started about Chuck South and the Big South conference.
You've got a Colonial hard-on.
You keep talking about the App game from God knows when and W&M being good three years ago. Have you checked recent history? If you don't want people looking at us because of our past (1-10 ring a bell?) then you can't look at what other teams have done farther back than a year or two years ago. I'm not saying W&M sucks, but they're not these world beaters you people are talking about.
Stevev wrote:The state of Virginia would certainly be a great place to start getting respect in.
Oh, I'm sorry. I was looking at the national polls where we're getting votes in almost all of them even after two lackluster performances. Sorry for that. Virginia comes first.
That's what it's looking like some of you guys are calling them. A team picked last in the Colonial would beat every Big South team by 30. They're just that much better than us because they finished 4th in the country three years ago.
Do I have to remind you App was 6-5 three years ago?
I don't mean to be "Tooting the Colonial conference's horn" too much but right now beating anyone in the conference would be considered a big deal. The Colonial conference is that good top to bottom. And no, William and Mary is not world beaters by any stretch of the imagination. Who knows maybe a few years down the road beating Colonial conference teams would be expected but right now it is a big deal.
gotta disagree SJ. with all due respect you are not from virginia so you do not know what a win like this would mean to LU for our status in the commonwealth. yes the tribe is down, but they have traditionally been a good team and one of the best in the commonwealth other than JMU. to beat the tribe and to start playing JMU and possibly richmond will do wonders for "respect" and to help make LU the top choice for I-AA football in virginia. yeah not everyone will give us respect , but some will.
bigsmooth wrote:gotta disagree SJ. with all due respect you are not from virginia so you do not know what a win like this would mean to LU for our status in the commonwealth. yes the tribe is down, but they have traditionally been a good team and one of the best in the commonwealth other than JMU. to beat the tribe and to start playing JMU and possibly richmond will do wonders for "respect" and to help make LU the top choice for I-AA football in virginia. yeah not everyone will give us respect , but some will.
I will co-sign this one for sure! Also what JC is saying about VA and respectability. I know what SJ is saying too but it is perception vs reality and as far as the State of VA is concerned their perception is that Liberty beating W&M would be a big deal.
I agree. Wins against William and Mary, Richmond, or JMU go a long way towards respect in the state of Virginia and that is where it all begins in recognition and the in-state recruiting advantage over those teams. Respect in your own state is very important. I can see where SJ is coming from though. It is more perception than reality in some respects.
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You guys are talking about perception in the state of Virginia. I'm looking bigger than Virginia and looking nation wide. We're receiving more votes in every poll than they are (not by much, but still more). The state of Virginia is great, but haven't you guys been the ones to always claim us as a national school? I get confused when people say we have a national fan base, national recruiting base, etc but then worry so much about what the 17 people who halfway follow I-AA football in Virginia think. Those people probably think VMI is halfway decent too.
Stevev wrote:I agree. Wins against William and Mary, Richmond, or JMU go a long way towards respect in the state of Virginia and that is where it all begins in recognition and the in-state recruiting advantage over those teams. Respect in your own state is very important. I can see where SJ is coming from though. It is more perception than reality in some respects.
We already recruited kids over JMU and W&M this year. We're not going to get all of them because of our rules, but we already have a recruiting advantage over them. We have the best facilities in the state.
i have never said that we are a "national" school. we should be recruiting virginia hard, and rocco has done a great job of that. better than any cocah we have ever had. can we be national?? yes we can without a doubt and under rocco we are making those strides. i agree with you SJ, that we do need to look nationwide, but being able to get recruits form the home base is big.
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