[JDUB]

your right, we don't have to shut down the whole university, but hey, we only have like 5 concerts a year. why not schedule them at a good time? during a big football game is not a good time in case you haven't figured that one out yet. i am 100% in favor of as many concerts as we can get, and i want the students to support it, so why not schedule it when nothing else is going on? once again... very poor planning

[thepostman]

the reasoning is exactly what i said in my post....

we are not there yet (size wise)...especially when it comes to students being loyal to the football team....

I think its a slap in the face to the athletic dept and all the work they are doing to build loyality to the team, and i think its foolish....if people were smart they would have a post game concert...either on the field, or at 11pm....

thats how I feel, and that is why I started the thread...

yes, for me personally, it goes deeper then this issue with student activities...but that is not the reason i started the thread...the reason is because I think its poor planning, and not supportive at all of our football team

[thepostman]

your right, we don't have to shut down the whole university, but hey, we only have like 5 concerts a year. why not schedule them at a good time? during a big football game is not a good time in case you haven't figured that one out yet. i am 100% in favor of as many concerts as we can get, and i want the students to support it, so why not schedule it when nothing else is going on? once again... very poor planning

thats all i am saying...and again, THAT is why I started this thread hurrican fan, in case you haven't figured it out yet

[hurricane fan]

your right, we don't have to shut down the whole university, but hey, we only have like 5 concerts a year. why not schedule them at a good time? during a big football game is not a good time in case you haven't figured that one out yet. i am 100% in favor of as many concerts as we can get, and i want the students to support it, so why not schedule it when nothing else is going on? once again... very poor planning

you schedule concerts when artists are available and when it works out in THEIR schedule. most of the time you are handcuffed on who you can bring in and when. it's the same mentality as scheduling athletics. but then again, i've read where most of you have complained at some time or another about athletic schedules as well. i have one question....how many have you have ever booked a concert? do you think you just call a band up and say hey, be here on friday instead of saturday because we have a football game.

[ALAFlamesFan]

I sense a Student Activities loyaltist....

Why don't you guys understand that we are getting too big to shut down the University for one event? It's impossible.

I don't know of anyone who schedules a major concert at the same time as their football or basketball game. Certainly UA doesn't. They coordinate...which it sounds like they did in this instance...Good Job.

[hurricane fan]

believe it or not, i have no dog in this fight. i just think it is ridiculous that people are complaining about this. 7pm game and 10 pm concert

[thepostman]

your right, we don't have to shut down the whole university, but hey, we only have like 5 concerts a year. why not schedule them at a good time? during a big football game is not a good time in case you haven't figured that one out yet. i am 100% in favor of as many concerts as we can get, and i want the students to support it, so why not schedule it when nothing else is going on? once again... very poor planning

you schedule concerts when artists are available and when it works out in THEIR schedule. most of the time you are handcuffed on who you can bring in and when. it's the same mentality as scheduling athletics. but then again, i've read where most of you have complained at some time or another about athletic schedules as well. i have one question....how many have you have ever booked a concert? do you think you just call a band up and say hey, be here on friday instead of saturday because we have a football game.

I have...and I know all about it...don't assume because I am angry about this that it means I know nothing about the music industry and how things work. I know you can't just be like, he...we have this date open, come play now....but I also know that there are soooooo many fantastic Christian acts out there, its not like you HAD to get Derek Webb if that is the only date and time he could do....

thanks for proving my point about student activities though....they assume they are the only ones that knows how to do things...they push others away and when people want to help promote their shows, the leave them out of the loop....

and for the record....no major college in america books on campus concerts at a time that COULD conflict with their football team....that is the truth...

[Rocketfan]

For all of you who have your panties in a wad, the DOORS open at 9:00 pm. A local opening act will start at 9:30 and Derek will probably not even take the stage until 10:00 pm. It was planned for Derek to start palying after the game at 10. It was coordinated. The ungreatfulness of some people around this University kills me. We have so much more than what we ever had in all aspects and some of you still look for things to cry about. Get over it.

If this is coordinated then im embarrased......you have 0 idea of how long a football game is going to last. Simply saying ohh well give them 3 hours is just hopeful, i mean what if it goes to OT and no one comes to the concert? Both activities need to make $$$ and have fans, but one is far more important to the growth of our student body and university, you can guess which one.......

[JDUB]

your right, we don't have to shut down the whole university, but hey, we only have like 5 concerts a year. why not schedule them at a good time? during a big football game is not a good time in case you haven't figured that one out yet. i am 100% in favor of as many concerts as we can get, and i want the students to support it, so why not schedule it when nothing else is going on? once again... very poor planning

you schedule concerts when artists are available and when it works out in THEIR schedule. most of the time you are handcuffed on who you can bring in and when. it's the same mentality as scheduling athletics. but then again, i've read where most of you have complained at some time or another about athletic schedules as well. i have one question....how many have you have ever booked a concert? do you think you just call a band up and say hey, be here on friday instead of saturday because we have a football game.

i'll admit, i've never scheduled a band before. so you tell me, since evidently you have, can you not say... we cannot schedule you until 11 on saturday, or either on friday night? guess what, LU is a huge market for christian music. I'm pretty sure that a lot of bands would love to come here and play, i mean every year we have huge names like tobymac, switchfoot, 3rd day, casting crowns, etc.

So you may not be able to say, hey, come play friday at 7, but i think they could say, hey were interested in you playing here. we have these dates/times available.... which is probably what happened, except student activites is so smart that they put football games down as an available time.
again, i've never done this so correct me if i'm wrong, but your making it sound like the artist chooses the date time, and i know that isn't true. the school does, and ultimately the school told them they could play during that time, so this one is on student activities

[El Scorcho]

For all of you who have your panties in a wad, the DOORS open at 9:00 pm. A local opening act will start at 9:30 and Derek will probably not even take the stage until 10:00 pm. It was planned for Derek to start palying after the game at 10. It was coordinated.

That's not at all how it's being billed though. Very clearly, on the website, it says that there is a Derek Webb concert at 9pm. Even if he's going on stage at 10, the football game won't be over till 10:30 at the earliest. If people are going to make it over to see him play and get decent seats, they're leaving the football game at 9 or 9:30, which is much too soon considering how much effort has been put into getting students to come to football games over the last two years. Maybe you don't remember when things like this happened regularly or when NO ONE came to football games, but I do. It's annoying. I will not get over it.

Why don't you guys understand that we are getting too big to shut down the University for one event? It's impossible.

Shut down? Who said anything about shutting down? All we're asking for is that official student activities of significant size be coordinated so that they don't overlap. If there's a concert on one night, it shouldn't be the same night as a football game. Why would it have been so hard to do it on Friday night? Or make it a late night event? How can you not see that this is a significant problem? Do you think Virginia Tech would schedule a free concert for their students in the basketball arena on the same night as a football game? No. And we shouldn't either.

[hurricane fan]

it sounds to me like all of you are in the wrong business.

[thepostman]

to me hurricane fan it sounds as if you don't don't know what you are talking about when it comes to this issue...

and you have no idea what business I am planning on going into....

I will enlighten you...i plan on getting into the music business...I plan on doing this very thing...I looked into Student Activities...but have no desire to be part of their organization...I have helped with much bigger and much better things....

they are doing a better job...I will give them that....but this is a stupid idea...and I am not going to shy away from that

[El Scorcho]

it sounds to me like all of you are in the wrong business.

What does that even mean? Please, enlighten us.

We've offered some very rational and logical points, and all we've heard from you is that you don't like that we're complaining.

[JDUB]

it sounds to me like all of you are in the wrong business.

dude are you serious? you don't see any problem with scheduling a major student even during a football game? evidently you are not on campus. almost every weekend there is nothing going on. the football game is 4 hours on saturday. if they cannot do it on a weekend there isn't a football game, i don't understand why they can't schedule around it. its not that big of a deal to have it an hour or 2 later and make it a late night.

[El Scorcho]

Alright, let's make this very simple.

You're a student, in the stands during a football game where LU is up by ten. The third quarter is about halfway over. It's 9:30pm. You want to go to the Derek Webb concert, and you'd really like to get good seats. You've already missed the opening act and you know he goes on stage at 10. The football game isn't over until 10:30...if it doesn't go into OT. You have to make a call, and you pick the concert, of course.

Repeat that a few thousand times. The football team is going to notice the stands emptying out in the third quarter, don't you think?

That's the scenario. So tell me, then, how is it acceptable that Derek Webb is playing at 10pm? It's not. We only have SIX home football games in an entire year. Student Activities could have picked another artist on another weekend. There was no need to force a 9pm concert on the same night.

[Rocketfan]

Alright, let's make this very simple.

You're a student, in the stands during a football game where LU is up by ten. The third quarter is about halfway over. It's 9:30pm. You want to go to the Derek Webb concert, and you'd really like to get good seats. You've already missed the opening act and you know he goes on stage at 10. The football game isn't over until 10:30...if it doesn't go into OT. You have to make a call, and you pick the concert, of course.

Repeat that a few thousand times. The football team is going to notice the stands emptying out in the third quarter, don't you think?

That's the scenario. So tell me, then, how is it acceptable that Derek Webb is playing at 10pm? It's not. We only have SIX home football games in an entire year. Student Activities could have picked another artist on another weekend. There was no need to force a 9pm concert on the same night.

Logic.....its such a powerful thing. Why can't others view this same situation and think......man thats just not going to work...

[thepostman]

Alright, let's make this very simple.

You're a student, in the stands during a football game where LU is up by ten. The third quarter is about halfway over. It's 9:30pm. You want to go to the Derek Webb concert, and you'd really like to get good seats. You've already missed the opening act and you know he goes on stage at 10. The football game isn't over until 10:30...if it doesn't go into OT. You have to make a call, and you pick the concert, of course.

Repeat that a few thousand times. The football team is going to notice the stands emptying out in the third quarter, don't you think?

That's the scenario. So tell me, then, how is it acceptable that Derek Webb is playing at 10pm? It's not. We only have SIX home football games in an entire year. Student Activities could have picked another artist on another weekend. There was no need to force a 9pm concert on the same night.

Logic.....its such a powerful thing. Why can't others view this same situation and think......man thats just not going to work...

Of course this is easy for us to understand....but I guess we are the stupid ones here....

[JumpToConclusions Flame]

For all of you who have your panties in a wad, the DOORS open at 9:00 pm. A local opening act will start at 9:30 and Derek will probably not even take the stage until 10:00 pm. It was planned for Derek to start palying after the game at 10. It was coordinated. The ungreatfulness of some people around this University kills me. We have so much more than what we ever had in all aspects and some of you still look for things to cry about. Get over it.

Agreed. Students will automatically know what time he will be on stage.

[thepostman]

For all of you who have your panties in a wad, the DOORS open at 9:00 pm. A local opening act will start at 9:30 and Derek will probably not even take the stage until 10:00 pm. It was planned for Derek to start palying after the game at 10. It was coordinated. The ungreatfulness of some people around this University kills me. We have so much more than what we ever had in all aspects and some of you still look for things to cry about. Get over it.

Agreed. Students will automatically know what time he will be on stage.

haha...oh, of course

[SuperJon]

I can think of at least three people on here who have booked shows before so at least we know what we're talking about in this case.

Liberty University is one of the top draws in Christian music today (I would almost say top ten). You have 10,000 Christian students who all have friends from back home, etc, sitting there waiting to buy tickets and merch. If you told the guy, "Look, dude, we got a football game. We gotta start this thing after that's over" then it wouldn't be a problem.

All student activities had to do was say, "Doors open immediately after the football game, the opening act plays 30 minutes later, Derek Webb starts an hour after the game" and bam, this is fixed.


Or, an even better idea. This is family weekend, and since people said Caedmon's Call I'm pretty sure Derek Webb would be popular with parents. How about actually working with another department (say, I don't know, athletics) and scheduling the concert after the game on the field. There would be a tear down/build up gap between the football game and the concert, but it would: a) keep the students there the entire game, b) get more people to the game overall, and c) make both parties happy.

This isn't friggin rocket science. It takes a call from student activities saying, "Hey, crap, you know what, we booked a concert on the same night as a game. What can we do to work this out?" Then there would be a meeting, and probably a follow-up meeting, and then the whole thing would be worked out.


The absolute sheer lack of communication between departments on this campus is unlike any I have EVER seen on any other campus, ever.

[TDDance234]

I don't think it's such a big deal. I'm all for everyone coming to the football games -- I gave a speech about taking pride in Liberty University during freshman week to the guys on my hall.

At the same time, some people just don't like football or going to games and Student Activities was providing something else to do. It may be that Derrick Webb just couldn't come any other night. Quite possibly, Student Activities didn't even look at the schedule and just went with it.

It's really not THAT big a deal. Maybe it's just me.

[SuperJon]

At the same time, some people just don't like football or going to games and Student Activities was providing something else to do.

I hate this argument. I really do. Sure, give them something else to do, but not at the same freaking time.

[Sly Fox]

It'd be great to have Derek sing the national anthem with the band before the game. That'd also encourage more football fans ot slide over the concert after its over. Derek has one of the coolest voices out there (Michael Stipe-esque).

[TDDance234]

At the same time, some people just don't like football or going to games and Student Activities was providing something else to do.

I hate this argument. I really do. Sure, give them something else to do, but not at the same freaking time.

People on this campus have been crying for things to do for years. Cut them some slack.

[SuperJon]

See, here's the problem. That Saturday, we're giving them something to do. It's called a football game. Oh, you don't like football? Guess you gotta wait for the next thing. I don't like these stupid movie nights they do but I don't go around whining about them asking for something else to do instead.