[El Scorcho]

Democrats are the ones calling for a draft

I just posted and linked to an article where the White House is re-opening and investigating the issue of the draft. Last I checked, it was GOP administration running the White House. Although, I will admit it's been awfully hard to tell them apart from the Democrats for most of the time they've been there.

[thepostman]

because republicans and democrats are about the same these days....neither party offers anything new or anything that will change this country for the better...there are a few here and there, but both these parties overall are terrible and i wish some of these third parties would start gaining some more national credibility....

[El Scorcho]

because republicans and democrats are about the same these days....neither party offers anything new or anything that will change this country for the better...there are a few here and there, but both these parties overall are terrible and i wish some of these third parties would start gaining some more national credibility....

Look into Ron Paul, my friend. The only GOP candidate who's actually a conservative.

[shukcb04]

I'm proud to have known him, but I still wonder if his sacrifice and that of 3,600+ others was the only option we had, given the circumstances.

Well I know talking and negotiating sure as hell hasn't worked.

[4everfsu]

IF I am not mistaken go back and you can see once the Dem took over the Congress, John Conyer of Mi started beating the bring back the draft. That the fact, dem jumped on it to help show up Bush for not having enought troops,etc

[thepostman]

because republicans and democrats are about the same these days....neither party offers anything new or anything that will change this country for the better...there are a few here and there, but both these parties overall are terrible and i wish some of these third parties would start gaining some more national credibility....

Look into Ron Paul, my friend. The only GOP candidate who's actually a conservative.

I have yet to truly look into any of the candidates....but I will look into him....

I am frustrated with politics and have kind of taken time off from watching much of it and reading much of it....

[Realist]

Whoever made the comparison btw Iraq and the rise of Nazi Germany, well, that's the one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

Anyways, it was completely stupid to invade Iraq in the first place. Basically Junior just wanted to one up his father. However, it would be totally stupid now to leave with the current situation. This isn't about Iraq anymore, it is about Iran.

[ATrain]

Personally I think the original goal was to have Iraq and Afghanistan stabliized by now so we could attack Iran from both sides (Iraq, Afghanistan)...however, it seems that plan failed.

[01LUGrad]

Whoever made the comparison btw Iraq and the rise of Nazi Germany, well, that's the one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

Please explain. (withouth Bush-bashing...just facts)

By the way...you were around Greg Marshall that long and THAT is the most absurd thing you've ever heard?

[Rocketfan]

Whoever made the comparison btw Iraq and the rise of Nazi Germany, well, that's the one of the most absurd things I've ever heard.

Please explain. (withouth Bush-bashing...just facts)

By the way...you were around Greg Marshall that long and THAT is the most absurd thing you've ever heard?

Love the Greg Marshall shot....line of the day!

[El Scorcho]

I have yet to truly look into any of the candidates....but I will look into him....

I am frustrated with politics and have kind of taken time off from watching much of it and reading much of it....

I'm sending you a PM.

[PAmedic]

Vietnam was not our fight. We should never have gone there either.

oh SCORCHO- you had me and then you lost me.

that mentality in 1941 would have resulted in you and I speaking German/Japenese.

I would agree, however- that there are many other "Iraqs" out there (Rwanda, etc) where genocide is running amok, and we really need to prioritize our involvment in global affairs.

[El Scorcho]

Vietnam was not our fight. We should never have gone there either.

oh SCORCHO- you had me and then you lost me.

that mentality in 1941 would have resulted in you and I speaking German/Japenese.

I don't think it was the same situation at all. Vietnam wasn't a threat for global domination, and it's quite obvious now that them becoming a communist nation didn't hurt us in the Cold War.

I would agree, however- that there are many other "Iraqs" out there (Rwanda, etc) where genocide is running amok, and we really need to prioritize our involvment in global affairs.

I would agree with that if by "prioritize" you mean completely rethink if we should be involved with global affairs. Again, I think the level of spending just to be on the losing side in Iraq is proof that we don't need to run up any more debt to China. I mean, with the level of spending being put forth for this war, we could probably solve the Social Security problem here at home. But that's just crazy conservative talk. Bigger government! Nation building! Spend spend spend! It's the neeeeeeew GOP!

[olldflame]

Probably the biggest congressional proponent of reinstituting the draft is none other than the right reverend Al Sharpton. His argument, which is IMHO hard to dispute, is that our all-volunteer approach has made military service almost exclusively an occupation of the poor, and wealthy politicians can make decisions to send troops off to die, knowing their own sons and daughters are not at risk.

[scuzdriver]

If this country stops supporting Isreal. God takes his hand of protection off of this country. And if that happens... I'm moving to Switzerland.

Yep, as soon as we turn against Isreal it's over for the USA. I don't see any mention of us in Rev. We will become a non factor at some point.

[shukcb04]

Probably the biggest congressional proponent of reinstituting the draft is none other than the right reverend Al Sharpton. His argument, which is IMHO hard to dispute, is that our all-volunteer approach has made military service almost exclusively an occupation of the poor, and wealthy politicians can make decisions to send troops off to die, knowing their own sons and daughters are not at risk.

the poor don't ahve to go into the armed forced if they don't want to. in many cases it's their own fault for being poor.

[PAmedic]

Vietnam was not our fight. We should never have goneI don't think it was the same situation at all. Vietnam wasn't a threat for global domination, and it's quite obvious now that them becoming a communist nation didn't hurt us in the Cold War.

no no no. I respectfully disagree, my fine no-longer-nocturnal friend. That's the same kind of revisionist/hindsight is 20/20 thinking that says "maybe we shouldn't have nuked Hiroshima- the Japanese would probably have surrendered. Besides, they're our allies now."

See also: Berlin, Germany (we shouldn't have wasted money on the cold war- the wall fell anyway)

simply by being present in the here and now- we affect the future. You can't remove us from the equation and assume the outcome(s) would've been the same. That's why they don't mess with other cultures on Star Trek, it screws up the space/time continuem.

(ok- ignore the very last part.)

Still love ya SCORCHO. Even if you are WRONG! or at least, a closet Libertarian.

[El Scorcho]

Vietnam was not our fight. We should never have goneI don't think it was the same situation at all. Vietnam wasn't a threat for global domination, and it's quite obvious now that them becoming a communist nation didn't hurt us in the Cold War.

no no no. I respectfully disagree, my fine no-longer-nocturnal friend. That's the same kind of revisionist/hindsight is 20/20 thinking that says "maybe we shouldn't have nuked Hiroshima- the Japanese would probably have surrendered. Besides, they're our allies now."

See also: Berlin, Germany (we shouldn't have wasted money on the cold war- the wall fell anyway)

simply by being present in the here and now- we affect the future. You can't remove us from the equation and assume the outcome(s) would've been the same. That's why they don't mess with other cultures on Star Trek, it screws up the space/time continuem.

(ok- ignore the very last part.)

Still love ya SCORCHO. Even if you are WRONG! or at least, a closet Libertarian.

I'll give you the bit about hindsight, but I still don't think Vietnam was any kind of a threat for global domination. They certainly weren't any threat to us, so I don't think it was our fight. If it was, Congress could have done things in a constitutional manner and declared war. I don't believe in engaging in wars that don't fit the constitutional definition, or wars that aren't officially declared by Congress. Especially when we're doing it in an effort to "nation build". That's a load of

[olldflame]

the poor don't ahve to go into the armed forced if they don't want to. in many cases it's their own fault for being poor.

They may not have to, but thank God they do! The issue is not who is in the armed forces, but who is NOT. With our current all volunteer army, only a miniscule percentage of the wealthy and highly educated population are serving. This distances them from the reality of war, and unfortunately this group includes most of our political leaders. It is interesting to see the divergent views of those few who do have children in Iraq (ie: McCann and Webb).

[4everfsu]

The thinking in the 60s was if the communist got Vietnam the rest of the SE Asia would go RED, the domino affect of falling , thus the reason for us being there. What started with military advisors with JFK escalated.

With the volunteer army, rich or poor can enlist or not. With a draft you have no choices, unless you count Canada.

[Sly Fox]

... or Mexico.

[mrmacphisto]

It was just a joke.... build a Wal-Mart in the middle of it.

Wouldn't a Target be more appropriate?