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Flames Problem
Posted: May 7th, 2012, 7:12 am
by Bigsouthking
Since it's baseball season I put this topic here: and after the sweep by CCU it's time for this to be said:
Liberty Big 3 sports specifically: football, men's hoops, baseball
All 3 have NO freaking swagger, yes they are good enough to win some games and have enough $$ And nice buildings to attract solid players, but when time comes to win the Big one, it's choke city!!! WTH -- someone needs to go into each locker room and throw the BIBLES out and start chewing someone's rear end...
No swagger, no mental toughness, how can football choke, how can hoops not get a 6'5 athletic wing to go along with Sanders, how can baseball not beat some chickens???
People on the outside think Liberty is puny little Big South school, no one knows they have 1st class facilities unless you have been there...no wonder a 1-A conference has not given them a invite, that can't win anything to gain respect. It's awful. They should be achieving more!
Makes no freaking sense to me... 2nd and 3rd place finishes year end year out in the BSC is embarrassing with the potential that sits on the mountain!
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 7th, 2012, 8:29 am
by 4everfsu
Insert <Yawn> here
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 7th, 2012, 8:36 am
by From the class of 09
It's true though I'm pretty sure the players proximity to Bibles isn't the problem. It's jb right guys?
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 7th, 2012, 8:54 am
by Bigsouthking
I'm not pointing fingers at a coach or AD... I'm saying its a total culture thing.
you can have a swagger/confidence with out being a thug... so what if other schools don't like you, thats part of sports. kick their butt and move on.
If you want to be a champion you have to go take it.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 7th, 2012, 9:22 am
by From the class of 09
Bigsouthking wrote:I'm not pointing fingers at a coach or AD... I'm saying its a total culture thing.
you can have a swagger/confidence with out being a thug... so what if other schools don't like you, thats part of sports. kick their butt and move on.
If you want to be a champion you have to go take it.
Again agree and your solution is
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 7th, 2012, 9:43 am
by jbock13
Bigsouthking wrote:I'm not pointing fingers at a coach or AD... I'm saying its a total culture thing.
you can have a swagger/confidence with out being a thug... so what if other schools don't like you, thats part of sports. kick their butt and move on.
If you want to be a champion you have to go take it.
Please stay in the basketball thread. Thanks.
I mean, at least baseball can win 50 percent of its games. Just saying.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 8th, 2012, 2:35 pm
by Bigsouthking
That's the point pal... All LU programs win over 50% of their games, it's the big One that I'm talking about.
I have had at least 8 private messages regarding this topic but no one brave enough to agree publicly. Typical Flame Fans.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 8th, 2012, 3:31 pm
by jbock13
Bigsouthking wrote:That's the point pal... All LU programs win over 50% of their games, it's the big One that I'm talking about.
I have had at least 8 private messages regarding this topic but no one brave enough to agree publicly. Typical Flame Fans.
I highly doubt that. Although does TorC have 8 different profiles? It's quite possible, we know he has at least 2
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 8th, 2012, 5:20 pm
by Chippy
Bigsouthking wrote:Since it's baseball season I put this topic here: and after the sweep by CCU it's time for this to be said:
Liberty Big 3 sports specifically: football, men's hoops, baseball
All 3 have NO freaking swagger, yes they are good enough to win some games and have enough $$ And nice buildings to attract solid players, but when time comes to win the Big one, it's choke city!!! WTH -- someone needs to go into each locker room and throw the BIBLES out and start chewing someone's rear end...
No swagger, no mental toughness, how can football choke, how can hoops not get a 6'5 athletic wing to go along with Sanders, how can baseball not beat some chickens???
People on the outside think Liberty is puny little Big South school, no one knows they have 1st class facilities unless you have been there...no wonder a 1-A conference has not given them a invite, that can't win anything to gain respect. It's awful. They should be achieving more!
Makes no freaking sense to me... 2nd and 3rd place finishes year end year out in the BSC is embarrassing with the potential that sits on the mountain!
We don't need swagger. We need student athletes who have a passion for the Lord and a passion for the sport they are playing. I'll take character and talent over swagger and talent. I grew up with the mindset you let your play do the talking and not swagger or "black unis" (sic football)
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 8th, 2012, 5:59 pm
by flameshaw
I actually agree with BS King to a big extent. We don't have a lot of swagger, and I don't have any problem with that at all, I don't much care for swagger, especially the NBA kind.
Having been a LU fan since 1972 and a football and baseball player, I can recall very few "big" games that we have won in the major sports. It can be very frustrating being a Flames fan. (Not nearly as bad as being a Cubs fan). But I do have eternal optimism that we will get over the hump one day and will win the close games. We have knocked on a lot of doors, just haven't knocked our share down yet.
Let me challenge everyone here to join the Flames Club and donate as much as you can. We are light years ahead of where we began. (We didn't even have a door to knock on). In addition to talking about our teams and supporting them with our attendance, help them financially.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 10th, 2012, 12:34 pm
by jcmanson
I agree with the king. There's nothing wrong with swag
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 10th, 2012, 12:49 pm
by BJWilliams
There's a difference between swagger and confidence I would think
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 14th, 2012, 1:57 pm
by ballcoach15
It is true that we cannot win the "Big One". year in and year out we seem to lose a make or break game that we should win. Maybe we we ever get over that hump, we'll reach our potential
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 14th, 2012, 3:18 pm
by Purple Haize
Maybe if we had more players from the Dogwood....
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 14th, 2012, 4:29 pm
by ballcoach15
Maybe true, maybe not. I have always thought LU lets some good local players get away, in more sport than one.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 8:41 am
by Bigsouthking
Chippy wrote:Bigsouthking wrote:Since it's baseball season I put this topic here: and after the sweep by CCU it's time for this to be said:
Liberty Big 3 sports specifically: football, men's hoops, baseball
All 3 have NO freaking swagger, yes they are good enough to win some games and have enough $$ And nice buildings to attract solid players, but when time comes to win the Big one, it's choke city!!! WTH -- someone needs to go into each locker room and throw the BIBLES out and start chewing someone's rear end...
No swagger, no mental toughness, how can football choke, how can hoops not get a 6'5 athletic wing to go along with Sanders, how can baseball not beat some chickens???
People on the outside think Liberty is puny little Big South school, no one knows they have 1st class facilities unless you have been there...no wonder a 1-A conference has not given them a invite, that can't win anything to gain respect. It's awful. They should be achieving more!
Makes no freaking sense to me... 2nd and 3rd place finishes year end year out in the BSC is embarrassing with the potential that sits on the mountain!
We don't need swagger. We need student athletes who have a passion for the Lord and a passion for the sport they are playing. I'll take character and talent over swagger and talent. I grew up with the mindset you let your play do the talking and not swagger or "black unis" (sic football)
And this comment or mindset is why LU can't get over the hump! --
Track&Field, Women's B-Ball, and the Golf team have the swag! Other Big South teams KNOW that they can't beat them!
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 10:00 am
by jbock13
If you're really arguing that we compromise our beliefs, then that tells me all I need to know.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 10:07 am
by BJWilliams
Bigsouthking wrote:Chippy wrote:Bigsouthking wrote:Since it's baseball season I put this topic here: and after the sweep by CCU it's time for this to be said:
Liberty Big 3 sports specifically: football, men's hoops, baseball
All 3 have NO freaking swagger, yes they are good enough to win some games and have enough $$ And nice buildings to attract solid players, but when time comes to win the Big one, it's choke city!!! WTH -- someone needs to go into each locker room and throw the BIBLES out and start chewing someone's rear end...
No swagger, no mental toughness, how can football choke, how can hoops not get a 6'5 athletic wing to go along with Sanders, how can baseball not beat some chickens???
People on the outside think Liberty is puny little Big South school, no one knows they have 1st class facilities unless you have been there...no wonder a 1-A conference has not given them a invite, that can't win anything to gain respect. It's awful. They should be achieving more!
Makes no freaking sense to me... 2nd and 3rd place finishes year end year out in the BSC is embarrassing with the potential that sits on the mountain!
We don't need swagger. We need student athletes who have a passion for the Lord and a passion for the sport they are playing. I'll take character and talent over swagger and talent. I grew up with the mindset you let your play do the talking and not swagger or "black unis" (sic football)
and to the foe list you will go...
And this comment or mindset is why LU can't get over the hump! --
Track&Field, Women's B-Ball, and the Golf team have the swag! Other Big South teams KNOW that they can't beat them!
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 10:11 am
by Bigsouthking
Some of you just don't get it and probably never will and then there are a some of you that do get it.
No one said anything about compromising beliefs... you win and win big with character, but if the character doesn't believe fully in themselves you have no chance.
W-Hoops, T&F, and Golf have both!
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 22nd, 2012, 10:16 am
by jcmanson
Bigsouthking wrote:W-Hoops, T&F, and Golf have both!
What about volleyball?
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 23rd, 2012, 7:48 am
by olldflame
You don't win because you have "swagger". You gain confidence when you have success, and that tends to lead to more success. To say our WBB team has "swagger" is laughable. They have had incredible success with absolutely zero killer instinct. They frequently play down to the level of inferior opponents and do just enough to win (usually). However, they consistantly have more size and talent than anyone else in our conference and so much winning history that when it comes down to the wire they expect to win and they almost always do. When some of our other programs which have come up short more often than not start to get superior athletes the way WBB and T&F have, they will start to develop the same kind of confidence.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 23rd, 2012, 2:31 pm
by Bigsouthking
"By the time we were in the Final Four, I felt like I had a ton of confidence," Jeff Withey said. "I felt like I played with a different swagger."
The above quote was from Kansas big man Jeff Withey, who happens to be a Christian by the way.
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 23rd, 2012, 2:35 pm
by BJWilliams
I'll leave it to someone else to blow your point to kingdom come on that...and note that success and swagger are two different things as olldflame noted
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 23rd, 2012, 7:09 pm
by Chippy
olldflame wrote:You don't win because you have "swagger". You gain confidence when you have success, and that tends to lead to more success. To say our WBB team has "swagger" is laughable. They have had incredible success with absolutely zero killer instinct. They frequently play down to the level of inferior opponents and do just enough to win (usually). However, they consistantly have more size and talent than anyone else in our conference and so much winning history that when it comes down to the wire they expect to win and they almost always do. When some of our other programs which have come up short more often than not start to get superior athletes the way WBB and T&F have, they will start to develop the same kind of confidence.
+1
Re: Flames Problem
Posted: May 24th, 2012, 9:11 am
by Bigsouthking
olldflame wrote:You don't win because you have "swagger". You gain confidence when you have success, and that tends to lead to more success. To say our WBB team has "swagger" is laughable. They have had incredible success with absolutely zero killer instinct. They frequently play down to the level of inferior opponents and do just enough to win (usually). However, they consistantly have more size and talent than anyone else in our conference and so much winning history that when it comes down to the wire they expect to win and they almost always do. When some of our other programs which have come up short more often than not start to get superior athletes the way WBB and T&F have, they will start to develop the same kind of confidence.
So basically this last sentence of yours tells me a lot...back to my originial post, it's recruiting that's the problem. So obviously the Big 3 need new recruiters?? Gotcha, so I will leave the Confidence/swagger comments alone and wait til we get new recruiters before holding out hope we will win Big! You said it not me and some of you agree with him.