[Eagle Ed]

Disappointed that we did not get in the Final 64 ...

I know we didn't win the conference nor the tourney, but we are a doggone good club. I hate it for Coach Toman --- we had some awesome wins this year.

[SuperJon]

We didn't deserve to get in.

[olldflame]

The idea of us getting an at large didn't even occur to me. We just didn't have the credentials. I'm not so sure CSU would even have gotten one if someone else had won the tourney.

[BJWilliams]

We lost way too many games that would have gone a long way toward helping us out. I think we would have had to win 45 at least to be considered for an at large

[jcmanson]

Speaking of the tourney, UVA got hosed with their draw. How are they not hosting? Not only are they not hosting, but being sent to California? A great reward for winning the ACC.

[bigsmooth]

opening round hosts were selected sunday before the ACC tournament ended. as far as the flames...we did not deserve it.

[ATrain]

Speaking of the tourney, UVA got hosed with their draw. How are they not hosting? Not only are they not hosting, but being sent to California? A great reward for winning the ACC.

If I were on that team, I would not mind being sent to Cali for a few days

[uncafan]

Speaking of the tourney, UVA got hosed with their draw. How are they not hosting? Not only are they not hosting, but being sent to California? A great reward for winning the ACC.

Not even getting sent to Cali...but having to see Strasburg in the opening game.... that's what really sucks. It was a bad regional -- and seeing him first round makes it really really really bad.

[flames1971]

Speaking of the tourney, UVA got hosed with their draw. How are they not hosting? Not only are they not hosting, but being sent to California? A great reward for winning the ACC.

They deserve it for beating Duke on their way to the title

[coastalfan1]

Dont worry when CCU leaves the big south you can have our auto bid

[ToTheLeft]

Dont worry when CCU leaves the big south you can have our auto bid

You're not going to the SoCon. I know you guys are like the fat geeky kid, with the crush on the hot girl in class, that got rejected, but still holds out hope, but it's time for a reality check.

[coastalfan1]

Dont worry when CCU leaves the big south you can have our auto bid

You're not going to the SoCon. I know you guys are like the fat geeky kid, with the crush on the hot girl in class, that got rejected, but still holds out hope, but it's time for a reality check.

no i dont think we will go to socon, but i think our baseball team will leave the conference. We would have hosted this year if our conf wasnt such a joke in baseball. Losing even more games because of campbell will not many ANYONE happy, our coach states this publicly. Im sure there are a few conf's that would love to have our baseball team.

[ToTheLeft]

Dont worry when CCU leaves the big south you can have our auto bid

You're not going to the SoCon. I know you guys are like the fat geeky kid, with the crush on the hot girl in class, that got rejected, but still holds out hope, but it's time for a reality check.

no i dont think we will go to socon, but i think our baseball team will leave the conference. We would have hosted this year if our conf wasnt such a joke in baseball. Losing even more games because of campbell will not many ANYONE happy, our coach states this publicly. Im sure there are a few conf's that would love to have our baseball team.

Where are you going to go that's going to take baseball only? And will that work with the Big South? Not sure if you're gonna pull that off.

And you should win more in conference before you complain about the conference. I'm sure your record would have spoken for itself if you hadnt lost a couple of series in conference, eh?

[olldflame]

Not sure what you've been smokin coastalfan, but you need to inhale less of it. First of all, the BSC is probably stronger in baseball than in any other sport. CCU's program deserves a lot of the credit for that without a doubt, but WU and LU have been solid too. Based on your theory, LU's women's basketball team should have been playing in the ACC years ago, and our men's track team should be in the SEC or Big 12. Both have dominated the BSC longer and more thouroughly than CCU has in baseball. It just doesn't work that way.

[uncafan]

You're not going to the SoCon. I know you guys are like the fat geeky kid, with the crush on the hot girl in class, that got rejected, but still holds out hope, but it's time for a reality check.

no i dont think we will go to socon, but i think our baseball team will leave the conference. We would have hosted this year if our conf wasnt such a joke in baseball. Losing even more games because of campbell will not many ANYONE happy, our coach states this publicly. Im sure there are a few conf's that would love to have our baseball team.

Where are you going to go that's going to take baseball only? And will that work with the Big South? Not sure if you're gonna pull that off.

And you should win more in conference before you complain about the conference. I'm sure your record would have spoken for itself if you hadnt lost a couple of series in conference, eh?

To the left is right...No conference in their right mind is going to take baseball only. The only conferences that CARE about baseball as a revenue sports...are the conferences that have major D-1 football programs, and usually major D-1 basketball programs so that would be a requirement for membership.

The reason your not hosting is because of your non-conference schedule (or should i say non-conference losses, some of which were attrocious). The Big South was actually much better this year than LAST year when you guys did have the chance to host... Campbell actually helps the conference in baseball because campbell generally has an above average (for the big souith) RPI. They also have a new coach that has turned their program around and appears top be heading in the right direction. By 2011 they will probably enter as a top 5 Big South team.... Check out campbell's RPI & SOS info...their SOS was down this year a bit, but generally they would place in the top 5-6 in the BSC for RPI and about the same for SOS.

The big south is considered an 'emerging' baseball conference and many baseball people have been saying that in 2-3 years it could turn into a consistent 2-3 bid league. Liberty is obviously spending lots of money and gearing up, and winthrop now has Big conference (ACC quality) facilities.... You guys have a solid program...Gardner Webb is building a new quality baseball facility, high point has a new facility, Asheville is planning a new on campus stadium....

and by quality....if i'm not mistaken all the news stadiums (not sure about high point) would be capable of hosting a regional, per NCAA specs...

But you guys aren't going anywhere, not anytime soon...

[Eagle Ed]

Our record was only, what, 33-21? I know that's not good enough -- but we were pretty good. We beat Duke twice, NC State, and Va. Tech. Hopefully, we've taken positive forward steps - and we'll take it to a new level soon.

As far as CCU --- you guys are fortunate to be in the Big South. To be respected, load up your non-conference schedule with a lot of tough games - and beat them.

[uncafan]

Our record was only, what, 33-21? I know that's not good enough -- but we were pretty good. We beat Duke twice, NC State, and Va. Tech. Hopefully, we've taken positive forward steps - and we'll take it to a new level soon.

As far as CCU --- you guys are fortunate to be in the Big South. To be respected, load up your non-conference schedule with a lot of tough games - and beat them.

its not about record though -- unless your in a top 3 conference.... Its about RPI & SoS... Liberty's end of the season RPI was 108. In order to be considered for an at large bid teams generally have to be in the top 30-40 range.... Sometimes its more in the 20-30 range. By comparison Coastal had an RPI of 28... Pre-season SoS had Liberty at 176, and coastal at 139 (not a huge difference).

There's no way you can make a case for Liberty -- at all.... I respect your passion & you trying to make the case, but its a pretty outlandish case based on RPI alone...

[coastalfan1]

http://www.thesunnews.com/sports/story/905238.html

"I think Campbell is a wonderful institution and has a wonderful mission," Coastal baseball coach Gary Gilmore said. "It adds a member to our league, but I don't see where it has any one program that adds significant [value]. You would think when you bring a new program in, there is something of significance.

"I personally thought when I first saw it the reason we were doing it was because of football. When I saw that they weren't going to participate in football, I didn't understand."

Unless the league changes its scheduling format, baseball figures to be impacted more than any other sport by the addition of Campbell.

In baseball, however, the impact of Campbell's addition and thus another three-game series to the league slate could be enough to ensure that no Big South team earns an at-large bid into the NCAA regionals.

Though Coastal has the most wins in the country, the Chants' RPI has suffered. That's partly because of this year's addition of Presbyterian and Gardner-Webb to the league slate, keeping Gilmore from scheduling series against higher-rated opponents.

Big South Commissioner Kyle Kallander said the league's members could alter its baseball scheduling, though that seems unlikely unless it added a 12th school and split into two divisions. If no changes are made, the Big South league slate will consist of 30 games in 2011, more than half of the 56-game regular season.

"The reason we can't host is they added PC and Gardner-Webb," Gilmore said, handicapping his team's chances of hosting a third straight NCAA regional. "That took away a weekend with Georgia Tech and a weekend for one of our tournaments. If we have those two weekends, we're a No. 1 seed with a chance to host all over again.

hate to break it to you, but this conference is killing us. 3 games can and have been the difference between us hosting and not hosting. Its almost beneficial to us to have rainouts instead of playing some of these teams AND then haveing our RPI drop. when you can be playing and beating GA tech or Uva etc, but you have to play CSU or unca then you know your gonna have RPI issues.


RPI

big south 19/31 conf's in RPI
CCU 27
winthrop 104
lib 108
rad 144
cambell 184
hp 186
gw 196
vmi 230
presby 251
unc 274
csu 276

one conf possibility could be the atlantic sun at 15/31. They dont sponsor FB. we could stay FB in BSC and move the rest out. We could take cambells spot , lot less traveling


lets add in the last 3 years of RPI for the top teams

ccu 27(now) 15(2008) 13(2007) avg:18
Winthop 104 107 82 98
Lib 108 108 64 93
rad 144 215 220 193
cam 184 199 235 206
hp 186 169 124 160
gw 196 181 180 186
vmi 230 167 111 169
presby 251 273 -- 262
unc 274 224 -- 249
csu 276 266 214 252

also btw what do you consider "emerging" Breaking 100 for 2 of the 11 teams(including cl) avged over 3 years!??!

[WinthropEagleFan]

http://www.thesunnews.com/sports/story/905238.html

"I think Campbell is a wonderful institution and has a wonderful mission," Coastal baseball coach Gary Gilmore said. "It adds a member to our league, but I don't see where it has any one program that adds significant [value]. You would think when you bring a new program in, there is something of significance.

"I personally thought when I first saw it the reason we were doing it was because of football. When I saw that they weren't going to participate in football, I didn't understand."

Unless the league changes its scheduling format, baseball figures to be impacted more than any other sport by the addition of Campbell.

In baseball, however, the impact of Campbell's addition and thus another three-game series to the league slate could be enough to ensure that no Big South team earns an at-large bid into the NCAA regionals.

Though Coastal has the most wins in the country, the Chants' RPI has suffered. That's partly because of this year's addition of Presbyterian and Gardner-Webb to the league slate, keeping Gilmore from scheduling series against higher-rated opponents.

Big South Commissioner Kyle Kallander said the league's members could alter its baseball scheduling, though that seems unlikely unless it added a 12th school and split into two divisions. If no changes are made, the Big South league slate will consist of 30 games in 2011, more than half of the 56-game regular season.

"The reason we can't host is they added PC and Gardner-Webb," Gilmore said, handicapping his team's chances of hosting a third straight NCAA regional. "That took away a weekend with Georgia Tech and a weekend for one of our tournaments. If we have those two weekends, we're a No. 1 seed with a chance to host all over again.

hate to break it to you, but this conference is killing us. 3 games can and have been the difference between us hosting and not hosting. Its almost beneficial to us to have rainouts instead of playing some of these teams AND then haveing our RPI drop. when you can be playing and beating GA tech or Uva etc, but you have to play CSU or unca then you know your gonna have RPI issues.


RPI

big south 19/31 conf's in RPI
CCU 27
winthrop 104
lib 108
rad 144
cambell 184
hp 186
gw 196
vmi 230
presby 251
unc 274
csu 276

one conf possibility could be the atlantic sun at 15/31. They dont sponsor FB. we could stay FB in BSC and move the rest out. We could take cambells spot , lot less traveling


lets add in the last 3 years of RPI for the top teams

ccu 27(now) 15(2008) 13(2007) avg:18
Winthop 104 107 82 98
Lib 108 108 64 93
rad 144 215 220 193
cam 184 199 235 206
hp 186 169 124 160
gw 196 181 180 186
vmi 230 167 111 169
presby 251 273 -- 262
unc 274 224 -- 249
csu 276 266 214 252

also btw what do you consider "emerging" Breaking 100 for 2 of the 11 teams(including cl) avged over 3 years!??!

So you want Coastal to move to the A-Sun??? Hate to break it to you, but the travel is much worse in that league than it is in the Big South...

[coastalfan1]

http://www.thesunnews.com/sports/story/905238.html

"I think Campbell is a wonderful institution and has a wonderful mission," Coastal baseball coach Gary Gilmore said. "It adds a member to our league, but I don't see where it has any one program that adds significant [value]. You would think when you bring a new program in, there is something of significance.

"I personally thought when I first saw it the reason we were doing it was because of football. When I saw that they weren't going to participate in football, I didn't understand."

Unless the league changes its scheduling format, baseball figures to be impacted more than any other sport by the addition of Campbell.

In baseball, however, the impact of Campbell's addition and thus another three-game series to the league slate could be enough to ensure that no Big South team earns an at-large bid into the NCAA regionals.

Though Coastal has the most wins in the country, the Chants' RPI has suffered. That's partly because of this year's addition of Presbyterian and Gardner-Webb to the league slate, keeping Gilmore from scheduling series against higher-rated opponents.

Big South Commissioner Kyle Kallander said the league's members could alter its baseball scheduling, though that seems unlikely unless it added a 12th school and split into two divisions. If no changes are made, the Big South league slate will consist of 30 games in 2011, more than half of the 56-game regular season.

"The reason we can't host is they added PC and Gardner-Webb," Gilmore said, handicapping his team's chances of hosting a third straight NCAA regional. "That took away a weekend with Georgia Tech and a weekend for one of our tournaments. If we have those two weekends, we're a No. 1 seed with a chance to host all over again.

hate to break it to you, but this conference is killing us. 3 games can and have been the difference between us hosting and not hosting. Its almost beneficial to us to have rainouts instead of playing some of these teams AND then haveing our RPI drop. when you can be playing and beating GA tech or Uva etc, but you have to play CSU or unca then you know your gonna have RPI issues.


RPI

big south 19/31 conf's in RPI
CCU 27
winthrop 104
lib 108
rad 144
cambell 184
hp 186
gw 196
vmi 230
presby 251
unc 274
csu 276

one conf possibility could be the atlantic sun at 15/31. They dont sponsor FB. we could stay FB in BSC and move the rest out. We could take cambells spot , lot less traveling


lets add in the last 3 years of RPI for the top teams

ccu 27(now) 15(2008) 13(2007) avg:18
Winthop 104 107 82 98
Lib 108 108 64 93
rad 144 215 220 193
cam 184 199 235 206
hp 186 169 124 160
gw 196 181 180 186
vmi 230 167 111 169
presby 251 273 -- 262
unc 274 224 -- 249
csu 276 266 214 252

also btw what do you consider "emerging" Breaking 100 for 2 of the 11 teams(including cl) avged over 3 years!??!

So you want Coastal to move to the A-Sun??? Hate to break it to you, but the travel is much worse in that league than it is in the Big South...

i was just tossing that out there, and when i ment less traveling i ment not haveing to go to NY for SB.

[ATrain]

http://www.thesunnews.com/sports/story/905238.html
hate to break it to you, but this conference is killing us. 3 games can and have been the difference between us hosting and not hosting. Its almost beneficial to us to have rainouts instead of playing some of these teams AND then haveing our RPI drop. when you can be playing and beating GA tech or Uva etc, but you have to play CSU or unca then you know your gonna have RPI issues.


RPI

big south 19/31 conf's in RPI
CCU 27
winthrop 104
lib 108
rad 144
cambell 184
hp 186
gw 196
vmi 230
presby 251
unc 274
csu 276

one conf possibility could be the atlantic sun at 15/31. They dont sponsor FB. we could stay FB in BSC and move the rest out. We could take cambells spot , lot less traveling


lets add in the last 3 years of RPI for the top teams

ccu 27(now) 15(2008) 13(2007) avg:18
Winthop 104 107 82 98
Lib 108 108 64 93
rad 144 215 220 193
cam 184 199 235 206
hp 186 169 124 160
gw 196 181 180 186
vmi 230 167 111 169
presby 251 273 -- 262
unc 274 224 -- 249
csu 276 266 214 252

also btw what do you consider "emerging" Breaking 100 for 2 of the 11 teams(including cl) avged over 3 years!??!

So you want Coastal to move to the A-Sun??? Hate to break it to you, but the travel is much worse in that league than it is in the Big South...

i was just tossing that out there, and when i ment less traveling i ment not haveing to go to NY for SB.

Stony Brook plays football only, and if you leave football in the BSC then the football team is still going to NY for SB. You sir, need to do some homework.

[Sly Fox]

Stony Brook once every other year in one sport or all over the place in every sport? Easy call. There is a reason schools like PC & Campbell are jumping off that boat.

Welcome to the general frustration felt by every quality program (individual sport at a school) in the Big South.

[olldflame]

You could actually make an argument that a trip to New York every other year is a recruiting tool for BSC football programs.

[Chris Lang]

Eagle, sorry man, but Liberty had exactly zero victories against NCAA tournament teams this season. There is no possible argument you can make for that team to be even considered for the field of 64.

As for baseball scheduling down the road, I get the feeling that the coaches will get together and put up a massive protest against the 30-game conference schedule. They'll figure out some sort of rotating scheduling deal where you miss two opponents a year and play 24 games and everyone will be happy. There's precedent for that. The A-10 has 14 teams for baseball and only plays 27 league games.

[coastalfan1]

So you want Coastal to move to the A-Sun??? Hate to break it to you, but the travel is much worse in that league than it is in the Big South...

i was just tossing that out there, and when i ment less traveling i ment not haveing to go to NY for SB.

Stony Brook plays football only, and if you leave football in the BSC then the football team is still going to NY for SB. You sir, need to do some homework.

i do very much love how the brunt of my argument the RPI was completely ignored by the liberty HOMERS here, the travel was just tossed out there and the A was just a posibility. Clearly that would depend on what conf we went to

but as chris says there may be a compromised worked out, if there isnt there is 0 reason to play baseball here.


atrain: of course FB would still go to NY, but the other sports wouldnt.

Btw i noticed liberty seems to be quite crap on the RPI front. That is why everyone except the UNCA fan and chris ignored it, i wonder what it feels like to not get a post season bid for anything