[PAmedic]

And I'm betting LUconn's paycheck that JF couldn't care less what we think

[fsn32]

Preface: I agree that coach Royer is a good man and I am not entering the fray between proto and west or anyone else...

My response is in regard to shutting this site down... LUCONN is right, it has nothing to do with the university other than the subject matter. Judge, I understand your frustration, but advocating a lock down of free speech is a little over the top.

[knobodywest]

what lies?????? what exactly are you referring to?????

[sitemdown77]

I would like to knows what lies, first off that are being spoken of? Secondly, what lies (you're claiming) have been bad enough to affect the "family", and have not just been in pure baseball talk about the program and the games. Do just say general statements like that without something definite you have. Finally, the getting the site shut down line, was really really humurous. The stuff on this board were even close to touching the stuff on the basketball one.

[sitemdown77]

Wow, i butchered half of those lines....... it's supposed to read.... "don't just say general......." and its humorous not humurous, and finally....... "The stuff on this board ISN'T even close......"

[prototype]

I think the point is...People have constantly ragged on a coach who has done a great job. For what reasons? Rumors? Hear-say? Mis-information? He has won more games in the past two years than any other coach. (And don't give me the schedule excuse - read my post from last year that compared the last 2 years against all time LU schedules and they were better than most.) What has it got him - a pat on the back from administration? A pat on the back from LU Fans? Students? NO! Every other coach at Liberty gets fields named after them, shrines erected, Jeep Cherokees...what has Coach Royer gotten for his success? Nothing. He gets second guessed at every turn. Dunton gets unfairly criticized sometimes also, but at least some of you on this board speak up against the negative posters - I'm one of the few. I'm not great friends with Royer, like people on this board have written; we have sat together at 3 basketball games in 4 years. I have sat with many of you more than that and I hardly know you guys. I do consider Royer a friend though and have got the chance to know him. He's not only a great person, he's a great coach who loves LU and wants to see LU succeed more than anyone.

There is free speech, and the Judge can't take this site down, but he makes some real good points - You guys do not even know Royer. You know what a few has-been players have said. Players that couldn't appreciate the opportunity Coach gave them to get some financial support to receive an education, players that didn't get to play that much because they weren’t as good as they thought they were, players that Royer made better over the 4 years here. These people talk to all their friend and make Royer out to be this awful person - that's gratitude for you. These words are tough, but these are real coaches and just to read some post and how they turn bad, makes me sick to my stomach. How can one Christian say something that awful about another?

I go back to my point - let's start celebrating great Baseball at Liberty and start focusing our energy on getting Royer a contract so we don't lose a great coach!

[sitemdown77]

Proto, don't go getting personal again and now calling out "has-been" players. Where in the heck on this board did you even get that one? LU players love the university and put all they have into the program, and for you to sit there and say "has-been" players is just as bad as what you are claiming others are doing on here. How do you even know that "has-been" players have blasted coach, or what if it had been drafted players, or top performers at LU, does that change something all of a sudden????? Keep those emotions in check, especially when you don't even have all the facts yourself.....I'm not blasting anyone involved with LU baseball by this post.....this is purely for proto. bad form my man....... O yea, the "shrines erected" line definitely got a good chuckle.

[knobodywest]

Proto you failed to mentioned the lies you posted on coach Tomlin. His kids do not go to LCA, He did take a pay cut, He will be working almost 9 months out of the year with the National when you consider Spring Training and Instructional league, and Mrs. Tomlin nor Coach have ever been on here, and she is certainly not Truthslayer. What about your negative tones towards the Tomlins who you Don't know. Perhaps you need to stay off here, your the main Instigator, of lies....... Good luck to all the great guys I know and have become friends with on the team, they have the Will to Win, and I know they will, and its not going to be because they have a good coach, Proto ask anyone of them yourself before you come back on here and post your opinion.

[prototype]

I'm not saying that these players are not good baseball players. I'm saying that the few good or bad that start bad-mouthing their former coach after they left the program show very little class. I have many friends who played at Liberty during all eras - Hunton, Pastors and Royer and I have not heard any of them say things about their coach in a negative way. It's not because they liked every situation 100% of the time, it's because my friends know what respect and pride mean. They would never air their dirty laundry, they would go to the man directly.

And Sitemdown, I have first hand knowledge of what I'm saying. I'm not going to say anyone's names or get personal. "Has-been" was a expression I was using to refer to players that are no longer in the program. This goes back to my earlier posts - I love LU and that's it - you start ragging on the tennis coach and I will come to his or her defense. I'm fine with people talking differences in strategy, picking apart recruits coming in, questioning Royers pulling of a starter, etc... It's just the personal attacks of his character that I don't like.

[bigsmooth]

see the sticky in the baseball forum. thanks for keeping the personal stuff away from the board.

[Hold My Own]

Smoltz, Gagne, Woods, PAGE?

Yeah but proto, most are converted after High School/College (those that attended)....very few during


This is unfortunate, I venture to say there are more haters here then koolade drinkers when it comes to baseball...it's more then just winning and losing, I hope relationships can be repaired and restored with fans and supporters AND MOST IMPORTANTLY former players, we need them out around the country looking at a young high school baseball player and telling them "i know a great college for you to go to" not viceversa

[The Judge]

Hold My Own wrote " hope relationships can be repaired and restored with fans and supporters AND MOST IMPORTANTLY former players, we need them out around the country looking at a young high school baseball player and telling them "i know a great college for you to go to" not viceversa "

AMEN !!!!I am personally aware of and in a place of influence of at least 5 top national recruits who are being sought by Tennessee, Baylor, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Missouri, Dallas Baptist University, Clemson, Creighton, Iowa and Vanderbuilt. These 5 christian kids are all poised to commit to LU. Hold My Own is right that it is more than winning and losing. All five would be impact players immediatley if they end up at LU. There will always be players who believed they were better than they were. Always be guy who feel the coach " didn't " give them the fair shake. They tend to find others who empathize with their positions. It was true when I was at LU with Sid, Lee, Delmonico, Royer, the Dewitts, Doug Smith, etc. Some guys got drafted and found out their ceiling was single A and no higher. Sid and Lee were the exceptions. They separated themselves from the pack by leaps and bounds. Coach Worthington cut Rod Delmonico and look what he is doing today ? To this day he feels he shouldn't have been cut. But he also like many of us...realized at some point that Coach Worthington did what he felt was best for the team. Lets face it...all of us at some point realize the hardest thing to say to ourselves is that we weren't good enough to play at the pro level. Because that kind of self talk and truth telling is hard to swallow. Which is why the head coach makes the cuts....not Randy Tomlin....not Terry Weaver.....etc. The head coach has the mantle of leadership not just making out a starting line-up...but deciding who can play, when and also....what financial committment must be added and even sometimes taken away from players. Even the ones you may care deeply about. Kind of lonely at the top fellas. Having known Coach Royer for 30 years....I can tell you for a fact he prays for his players every day. He is not a touchy feely guy...and neither was Coach Worthington for that matter.

So Hold My own...I too pray that relationships can be restored. Mostly because God would be honored by it. And the realization that maybe some of the newer former players can come to grips with the reality of what their true ability was and is. The hard thing sin life reveal our character...not the MLB draft.

Blessings !!

[The Judge]

The hard thing sin life ....I meant the hard things in life.....

[Sly Fox]

Theres a little 'Edit' button in your posts that you can use to fix mistakes. But then again, everybody butchers spelling incessantly on here. So I wouldn't seat it in the slightest.

And for the record, I agree wholeheartedly on the impact our alumni can have on steering talent toward the mountain. Unfortunately the school hasn't done a great job as a whole in tapping into these resources. Its an area where I feel we could show even greater improvement.

And its good to see another Old Hag join the board. Those of us old enough to remember the Worthington as a coach are growing in number on the board lately. I was a contemporary of Tomlin, Sipe and that group right after yours.

[Hold My Own]

But then again, everybody butchers spelling incessantly on here.

Google toolbar has a spell check...if it didn't yall wouldn't understand a word I say

[Sly Fox]

So does the newest version of Firefox (which is worlds better than the new IE ... but that's for another thread).

[knobodywest]

I have many friends who played at Liberty during all eras - Hunton, Pastors and Royer and I have not heard any of them say things about their coach in a negative way

I have never heard anything negative about Hunton or Pastors your right, 2 out of 3 is not bad, yet all we have heard for 4 years about
the third person mentioned has been negative. Why is that? The very worrysome and unfortunate thing is that it is not limited to this site.
Finishing in the bottom half of the conference each year during regular season, is not success. Not winning the conference tournament is not success. Not getting an at large bid because of strength of schedule is not success. Not being Big South Coach of the Year is not success. Continual player dissatisfaction is not success. Constant turmoil is not success. etc. etc. Winning 39 games last year Priceless.
This is a dead end street. Being one of the so called "has beens" and alumni I take offense to the lack of respect and attitude shown to those that gave everything they had, worked their butt off, shed their sweat and blood on that field, and paid their dues to help lay the ground work to raise the level of this baseball program.
Talking about the game of baseball is what this site was intended for yet, every topic seems to be taken out of its context by some overly sensitive fellas. Enough is enough Its baseball season

[krh44]

Don't think this was posted but the Citadel beat #1 USC on Sunday - competition must not be too weak

[prototype]

Response to knobodywest:

I have never heard anything negative about Hunton or Pastors your right, 2 out of 3 is not bad, yet all we have heard for 4 years about
the third person mentioned has been negative. Why is that?

I said my friends, go back and read my post - not you. I think the point was respect.

The very worrysome and unfortunate thing is that it is not limited to this site.

Oh Yeah - I'm sure your the authority. Did all 4 people (players) get together at IHOP?

Finishing in the bottom half of the conference each year during regular season, is not success. Not winning the conference tournament is not success. Not getting an at large bid because of strength of schedule is not success. Not being Big South Coach of the Year is not success. Continual player dissatisfaction is not success. Constant turmoil is not success. etc. etc. Winning 39 games last year Priceless.

Thought the media guide said it better than I could. You should work for ESPN. You really know how to examine success - I forgot the Big South is weaker than it ever has been - no good teams!!

After posting one of its best seasons under head coach Matt
Royer and perhaps one of the best in the program’s history in
2005, the Flames followed it with arguably an even better campaign
in 2006. Despite health issues among the pitching staff for
most of the season, the Flames set a new program benchmark
with 39 victories at the Division I level, a game shy of tying the
all-time school mark of 40.
The Flames also made their first appearance in the Big South
Baseball Championship game since 2002, suffering a heartbreaking
defeat after having to play three contests on the tournament’s
final day.
Fueling Liberty’s march to 39 wins was a 15-5 record against
Commomwealth of Virginia schools. In addition, Matt Royer’s
team tied the school record for consecutive victories with nine
straight triumphs on two different occasions during the season.

This is a dead end street. Being one of the so called "has beens" and alumni I take offense to the lack of respect and attitude shown to those that gave everything they had, worked their butt off, shed their sweat and blood on that field, and paid their dues to help lay the ground work to raise the level of this baseball program.

Did your Daddy give money - and you didn't get to play. Whaah! You are the one giving no respect for the players. If they really think Royer is that bad they would leave - I don't see that much turnover in the program. Don't paint the picture that playing a college sport is something we made you do and we owe you something - most don't get that opportunity and would be estatic to work their butt off, leave blood on the field, lay the foundation, save the world, blah, blah, blah. Like I said I have many friends that played, I think they are the some of the nicest guys I know...would give a kidney for any of them, but they would not say one thing you just did.

Talking about the game of baseball is what this site was intended for yet, every topic seems to be taken out of its context by some overly sensitive fellas. Enough is enough Its baseball season

The first good thing you wrote. I'm proud of you. You are growing up right before our eyes.

[givemethemic]

BTW just in case you want to know who is the new #1... it's none other than the North Carolina Tar Heels.....

[thesportscritic]

BTW just in case you want to know who is the new #1... it's none other than the North Carolina Tar Heels.....

yee haw

[flameshaw]

Hold My Own wrote " hope relationships can be repaired and restored with fans and supporters AND MOST IMPORTANTLY former players, we need them out around the country looking at a young high school baseball player and telling them "i know a great college for you to go to" not viceversa "

AMEN !!!!I am personally aware of and in a place of influence of at least 5 top national recruits who are being sought by Tennessee, Baylor, Virginia Tech, Georgia Tech, Missouri, Dallas Baptist University, Clemson, Creighton, Iowa and Vanderbuilt. These 5 christian kids are all poised to commit to LU. Hold My Own is right that it is more than winning and losing. All five would be impact players immediatley if they end up at LU. There will always be players who believed they were better than they were. Always be guy who feel the coach " didn't " give them the fair shake. They tend to find others who empathize with their positions. It was true when I was at LU with Sid, Lee, Delmonico, Royer, the Dewitts, Doug Smith, etc. Some guys got drafted and found out their ceiling was single A and no higher. Sid and Lee were the exceptions. They separated themselves from the pack by leaps and bounds. Coach Worthington cut Rod Delmonico and look what he is doing today ? To this day he feels he shouldn't have been cut. But he also like many of us...realized at some point that Coach Worthington did what he felt was best for the team. Lets face it...all of us at some point realize the hardest thing to say to ourselves is that we weren't good enough to play at the pro level. Because that kind of self talk and truth telling is hard to swallow. Which is why the head coach makes the cuts....not Randy Tomlin....not Terry Weaver.....etc. The head coach has the mantle of leadership not just making out a starting line-up...but deciding who can play, when and also....what financial committment must be added and even sometimes taken away from players. Even the ones you may care deeply about. Kind of lonely at the top fellas. Having known Coach Royer for 30 years....I can tell you for a fact he prays for his players every day. He is not a touchy feely guy...and neither was Coach Worthington for that matter.

So Hold My own...I too pray that relationships can be restored. Mostly because God would be honored by it. And the realization that maybe some of the newer former players can come to grips with the reality of what their true ability was and is. The hard thing sin life reveal our character...not the MLB draft.

Blessings !!

Don't totally agree with you on some things, but that doesn't really matter, we can just agree to disagree. Now about those 5 possible recruits how firmly poised are they committing to LU? Sounds like they are pretty stout based on the teams that are going after them. We do have lots of alumni out there in very strategic places that can help us take the next step in the program, hopefully this will happen soon and we will see continuous improvement.

[prototype]

Won't happen if they keep getting on a flames board and people are fighting for the firing of royer!!!!! And the Judge is the real deal - trust me!!!

[qkslvrsrfrboy]

The Judge, Did you play ball here or anything? My Dad used to be an assistant coach here under Worthington, were you here then?

[flameshaw]

Don't know why, but I kinda expected an answer like that, oh well, hope these young men are mature enough not to take much seriously on a message board, they don't sound like the type.