[LUconn]

previous basketball coach at LU.

[ATrain]

HMO, the problem is you're talking directly to the ump...next time, start talking to a fan near you (preferably that you know). For example, instead of saying "Blue, that was the stupidest call I've ever seen," turn to the fan next to you and say (loud enough for the ump to hear) "(Fan's name), have you ever seen a stupider call in your life?" Dads do this in Little League/Dixie Youth all the time...making sure they sit right behind the ump and talking loud enough so he can clearly hear it.

[SuperJon]

I think HMO knows how to talk to an umpire.

The fact of the matter is the ump should have enough professionalism not to listen to one guy who is just running his mouth.

[Hold My Own]

.next time, start talking to a fan near you

You only do that when you're scared of confrontations...and with CR...I'm not...just move locations and let him know he's still blowing the game


Doc would be proud

[ATrain]

I think HMO knows how to talk to an umpire.

The fact of the matter is the ump should have enough professionalism not to listen to one guy who is just running his mouth.

Yes, I know that HMO knows how to talk to an ump...the post was more sarcasm than anything.

[sitemdown77]

Norfolk state is not a bad club. They already beat up once on ODU this year who was ranked this season, and has played everyone else big in state very tough. Not an excuse though, just saying.....

[Fumblerooskies]

.next time, start talking to a fan near you

You only do that when you're scared of confrontations...and with CR...I'm not...just move locations and let him know he's still blowing the game


Doc would be proud

OMG...CR? That explains everything . Over/under...How many drinks had he had, HMO?

[leonardo]

omaHAHAHA10, I don't know how you measure savvy, but I'm probably more than twice your age and have been around college baseball for a long time.
Tell me how, not only have the players not improved but have gotten worse with these new "coaches training and teaching" since last August.
BTW, most of the real 5 tool players are in professional baseball not college.
1. Let me restate: Any college coach could recruit for USC. And yes, I have been to "The Sarge" many times. Talented players go to USC not because of the
facilities or the assistant coaches but because of Coach Tanner (Head Coach) and his successful program (have you seen his bio?)
Toman's bio is really Tanner's bio , get it?
2. "On the job training" as a HEAD COACH. There is a big difference between being an assistant and a HEAD.
Liberty University is not the University of South Carolina, never will be and never should be and the coach knew that when he left SC. He should have known
something about the young men (not donkeys) that he was inheriting. These players chose Liberty not because it was a top 25 program or who the coach
was, but because LU offered a chance for them to play D1 baseball in a great Christian environment.
3. It was actually another poster who said the players were having so much fun playing for the new coaches.
4. The players are probably afraid of being benched - there is a different line up almost every game.
5. I do not have inside information on which players received athletic money and who didn't (as you obviously do). I was responding to wee, who stated there
were only 3 recruits instead of the normal 10-15. I believe LU only lost 5 seniors last year so why would you want to bring in 10-15 players anyway?

[SuperJon]

I'm sorry, but our infielders just aren't that good at their positions. At third base, if you hit it two steps left or right of the fielder, they're not going to field it cleanly. We don't have a second baseman right now. Negron's an outfielder posing as a second basemen. Last year, at shortstop, we had a very good player who could get to the balls that 3rd and 2nd were just missing. This year, we don't have that.

Coaches can't throw the ball for the players. Coaches can only instruct proper technique to the point of the players wanting to listen. When you have players that will do the right technique if a coach is right next to them, but then when the coach leaves go right back to the way they were doing it before, then that's on the player, not the coach.

Also, in the past, under Coach Royer, the philosophy was to focus on the conference games, win those, and the mid-week games don't really matter. If we got down a few runs in a mid-week game, no big deal, we've got conference on the weekend. That's not the philosophy of this staff. They want to win every single game and expect the team to win every single game. It's hard for guys to go from a "win on the weekends" mentality to "go for the kill every game" mentality if they've had the first one for three or four years.

Also, we've got a number of guys hurt. Some may be playing, but they're hurt. Grijalva, Keller, and Young are all hurt. Those are three guys who are seniors and who should be leading the team from an offensive standpoint. They're simply not healthy right now. We're just not that good right now. It sucks, but it's the truth. Coaches can't make the plays. That's on the players more in baseball than in any other sport.

[omaha10]

omaHAHAHA10, I don't know how you measure savvy, but I'm probably more than twice your age and have been around college baseball for a long time.
Tell me how, not only have the players not improved but have gotten worse with these new "coaches training and teaching" since last August.
BTW, most of the real 5 tool players are in professional baseball not college.
1. Let me restate: Any college coach could recruit for USC. And yes, I have been to "The Sarge" many times. Talented players go to USC not because of the
facilities or the assistant coaches but because of Coach Tanner (Head Coach) and his successful program (have you seen his bio?)
Toman's bio is really Tanner's bio , get it?
2. "On the job training" as a HEAD COACH. There is a big difference between being an assistant and a HEAD.
Liberty University is not the University of South Carolina, never will be and never should be and the coach knew that when he left SC. He should have known
something about the young men (not donkeys) that he was inheriting. These players chose Liberty not because it was a top 25 program or who the coach
was, but because LU offered a chance for them to play D1 baseball in a great Christian environment.
3. It was actually another poster who said the players were having so much fun playing for the new coaches.
4. The players are probably afraid of being benched - there is a different line up almost every game.
5. I do not have inside information on which players received athletic money and who didn't (as you obviously do). I was responding to wee, who stated there
were only 3 recruits instead of the normal 10-15. I believe LU only lost 5 seniors last year so why would you want to bring in 10-15 players anyway?

If you have been to the Sarge, you may be three times my age as it was around when the dinosaurs roamed. Players went to SC for the entire staff. FACT: Ray Tanner would sometimes meet the player for the first time when he reported to campus. This means he committed only on the word and reputation of Storm Toman. This happened year in and year out. You may have visited the venue, but know little how the players in venue got there!
Do your homework; the reason their bios are so much alike is becuase they have been together so long idiot. Did you know that he also called the pitches at SC? Probably not, or you would not have made that statement. If my memory serves me correctly, that have been in the top 3 in the SEC the last 3-4 years in pitching stats. I am sure that you already knew that though because you are so savvy.
Sure that he knew that it would not be a top 5, but sure he had no idea he was inheriting a top 150 program either!
I would be afraid of being benched too if i played that poorly. soon the bench will run out as he appears to be desparately looking for someone who actually wants to play! Have you ever heard of "shaking up the line-up"? sure you have- I forgot how savvy you are. Sorry for the disrespect-
As far as getting worse, that is up to the eye of the beholder. what do i think? hell yeah it is bad. Are 99 errors bad? you tell me- you are the perpetual expert here. You can teach, preach, spit, etc..... in pratice. You can show technique and form, but as another poster put it......you can't do it for them. These players were coming to Liberty no matter what. They thought they would play D1 ball while they are here. It shows. It shows what the past coaching staff considered technique. By the way, the five tool players are at South Caroina right now. Brought in by Jim Toman. The ones that you are referring to in the big leagues went the SC route first-

[Hold My Own]

I'm sorry, but our infielders just aren't that good at their positions.

Sure there are some mental errors going on, but I cant get over the fundamental errors....I mean how much would we love to have the black sheep himself Mike Just back at second...he made less errors in his career then we have at that position in the last 5 games!





Fumble: HAHAHAHAHA I know, thats that I was referring to on his "off the field habits" looking back I wish I would have had a few in me to have the brass to do it! HA then he prob would have threatened me to fight in the parking lot like he has before (not me someone else):lol:

[omaha10]

omaHAHAHA10, I don't know how you measure savvy, but I'm probably more than twice your age and have been around college baseball for a long time.
Tell me how, not only have the players not improved but have gotten worse with these new "coaches training and teaching" since last August.
BTW, most of the real 5 tool players are in professional baseball not college.
1. Let me restate: Any college coach could recruit for USC. And yes, I have been to "The Sarge" many times. Talented players go to USC not because of the
facilities or the assistant coaches but because of Coach Tanner (Head Coach) and his successful program (have you seen his bio?)
Toman's bio is really Tanner's bio , get it?
2. "On the job training" as a HEAD COACH. There is a big difference between being an assistant and a HEAD.
Liberty University is not the University of South Carolina, never will be and never should be and the coach knew that when he left SC. He should have known
something about the young men (not donkeys) that he was inheriting. These players chose Liberty not because it was a top 25 program or who the coach
was, but because LU offered a chance for them to play D1 baseball in a great Christian environment.
3. It was actually another poster who said the players were having so much fun playing for the new coaches.
4. The players are probably afraid of being benched - there is a different line up almost every game.
5. I do not have inside information on which players received athletic money and who didn't (as you obviously do). I was responding to wee, who stated there
were only 3 recruits instead of the normal 10-15. I believe LU only lost 5 seniors last year so why would you want to bring in 10-15 players anyway?

Also on the 10-15 signing class.... shocked that you don't know this Leo.... ever heard of injuries and the draft? Probably not, as no one here as been drafted higher than 46th in years. You bring in that number becusae you can plan on pitchers having dead arm, sore arm etc... pulled groin, twisted knees, which by the way, from what I hear two starters for LU suffered the last 4 games. Wonder how coach filled their spots? maybe the extra players . That's an idea..... how about that? Old timer, I appreciate your input, I really do, but you are way out of your league sending me posts like this. I know more than you and will try not to embarass you anymore. I may be younger, but I KNOW I am more knowledgable about the game.

[Fumblerooskies]

Fumble: HAHAHAHAHA I know, thats that I was referring to on his "off the field habits" looking back I wish I would have had a few in me to have the brass to do it! HA then he prob would have threatened me to fight in the parking lot like he has before (not me someone else):lol:

It amazes me how one of the worst HS umpires in the area can do college ball...and yeah...I know he's the head of the local officials' association. I, too, have had my share of run-ins from the stands...and he's one of the reasons I did PA/scoreboard for the local legion team the past three years...to force myself to keep my yap shut.
(hijack over)

[leonardo]

omaHAHAHA10, I don't know how you measure savvy, but I'm probably more than twice your age and have been around college baseball for a long time.
Tell me how, not only have the players not improved but have gotten worse with these new "coaches training and teaching" since last August.
BTW, most of the real 5 tool players are in professional baseball not college.
1. Let me restate: Any college coach could recruit for USC. And yes, I have been to "The Sarge" many times. Talented players go to USC not because of the
facilities or the assistant coaches but because of Coach Tanner (Head Coach) and his successful program (have you seen his bio?)
Toman's bio is really Tanner's bio , get it?
2. "On the job training" as a HEAD COACH. There is a big difference between being an assistant and a HEAD.
Liberty University is not the University of South Carolina, never will be and never should be and the coach knew that when he left SC. He should have known
something about the young men (not donkeys) that he was inheriting. These players chose Liberty not because it was a top 25 program or who the coach
was, but because LU offered a chance for them to play D1 baseball in a great Christian environment.
3. It was actually another poster who said the players were having so much fun playing for the new coaches.
4. The players are probably afraid of being benched - there is a different line up almost every game.
5. I do not have inside information on which players received athletic money and who didn't (as you obviously do). I was responding to wee, who stated there
were only 3 recruits instead of the normal 10-15. I believe LU only lost 5 seniors last year so why would you want to bring in 10-15 players anyway?

If you have been to the Sarge, you may be three times my age as it was around when the dinosaurs roamed. Players went to SC for the entire staff. FACT: Ray Tanner would sometimes meet the player for the first time when he reported to campus. This means he committed only on the word and reputation of Storm Toman. This happened year in and year out. You may have visited the venue, but know little how the players in venue got there!
Do your homework; the reason their bios are so much alike is becuase they have been together so long idiot. Did you know that he also called the pitches at SC? Probably not, or you would not have made that statement. If my memory serves me correctly, that have been in the top 3 in the SEC the last 3-4 years in pitching stats. I am sure that you already knew that though because you are so savvy.
Sure that he knew that it would not be a top 5, but sure he had no idea he was inheriting a top 150 program either!
I would be afraid of being benched too if i played that poorly. soon the bench will run out as he appears to be desparately looking for someone who actually wants to play! Have you ever heard of "shaking up the line-up"? sure you have- I forgot how savvy you are. Sorry for the disrespect-
As far as getting worse, that is up to the eye of the beholder. what do i think? hell yeah it is bad. Are 99 errors bad? you tell me- you are the perpetual expert here. You can teach, preach, spit, etc..... in pratice. You can show technique and form, but as another poster put it......you can't do it for them. These players were coming to Liberty no matter what. They thought they would play D1 ball while they are here. It shows. It shows what the past coaching staff considered technique. By the way, the five tool players are at South Caroina right now. Brought in by Jim Toman. The ones that you are referring to in the big leagues went the SC route first-

So, om10 you are saying the SC recruits don't know who Tanner is until they get on campus?

Can you say: COAT TAILS. We shall see what the record looks like in a few years.

Suggestion: Maybe the junior catcher should call pitches since he knows the pitchers better than the guru.

And, finally I hope the LU players are Christians first and ballplayers second.

[leonardo]

omaHAHAHA10, I don't know how you measure savvy, but I'm probably more than twice your age and have been around college baseball for a long time.
Tell me how, not only have the players not improved but have gotten worse with these new "coaches training and teaching" since last August.
BTW, most of the real 5 tool players are in professional baseball not college.
1. Let me restate: Any college coach could recruit for USC. And yes, I have been to "The Sarge" many times. Talented players go to USC not because of the
facilities or the assistant coaches but because of Coach Tanner (Head Coach) and his successful program (have you seen his bio?)
Toman's bio is really Tanner's bio , get it?
2. "On the job training" as a HEAD COACH. There is a big difference between being an assistant and a HEAD.
Liberty University is not the University of South Carolina, never will be and never should be and the coach knew that when he left SC. He should have known
something about the young men (not donkeys) that he was inheriting. These players chose Liberty not because it was a top 25 program or who the coach
was, but because LU offered a chance for them to play D1 baseball in a great Christian environment.
3. It was actually another poster who said the players were having so much fun playing for the new coaches.
4. The players are probably afraid of being benched - there is a different line up almost every game.
5. I do not have inside information on which players received athletic money and who didn't (as you obviously do). I was responding to wee, who stated there
were only 3 recruits instead of the normal 10-15. I believe LU only lost 5 seniors last year so why would you want to bring in 10-15 players anyway?

Also on the 10-15 signing class.... shocked that you don't know this Leo.... ever heard of injuries and the draft? Probably not, as no one here as been drafted higher than 46th in years. You bring in that number becusae you can plan on pitchers having dead arm, sore arm etc... pulled groin, twisted knees, which by the way, from what I hear two starters for LU suffered the last 4 games. Wonder how coach filled their spots? maybe the extra players . That's an idea..... how about that? Old timer, I appreciate your input, I really do, but you are way out of your league sending me posts like this. I know more than you and will try not to embarass you anymore. I may be younger, but I KNOW I am more knowledgable about the game.

Let me see here, There were 35 on roster minus 5 to graduation minus 1 to draft = 29 add 15 newcomers = 44 opps new rules say you are allowed 35 so we just get rid of 9 guys but who cares they are just donkeys.

[omaha10]

you are catching on letardo-

[omaha10]

but remember- they were already here- compliments of former staff- that is not a problem at sc because toman did it right the first time-

[leonardo]

but remember- they were already here- compliments of former staff- that is not a problem at sc because toman did it right the first time-

I was just hoping LU would be more honorable than a secular state run school like USC. GO FLAMECOCKS!

[cwsfan3]

hey leonardo, that is what the fall is for- they have until jan 1st to trim the roster.... players and coaches should know by then if the players are good enough. The real talent lies in getting the good players on campus and playing well out the gates. That is what Toman has been so good at. I'm sure that even he had a couple in the past that did not met expectations. That is the way athletics goes sometimes. They are 18-20 year old kids. You never know what they are going to do until you get them on the field- would you base your lively hood on these players?

[cwsfan3]

Leonardo- why the anger against the SEC school? SC is one of the most respected schools in the entire league, not to mention the country. Ask anyone about the recruiting process at SC and you will not hear one tainted remark- It is a classic example of the good guys finishing first. If I were you, I would be thrilled that someone of that character is taking a chance at a mid-major. YardFlames, huh? I like it. Sounds much like the Yardcocks- Are you a closet SC fan?

[JDUB]

evidently he hates toman for some reason. jealosy possibly that his favorite school didn't get him? idk

[omaha10]

omaHAHAHA10, I don't know how you measure savvy, but I'm probably more than twice your age and have been around college baseball for a long time.
Tell me how, not only have the players not improved but have gotten worse with these new "coaches training and teaching" since last August.
BTW, most of the real 5 tool players are in professional baseball not college.
1. Let me restate: Any college coach could recruit for USC. And yes, I have been to "The Sarge" many times. Talented players go to USC not because of the
facilities or the assistant coaches but because of Coach Tanner (Head Coach) and his successful program (have you seen his bio?)
Toman's bio is really Tanner's bio , get it?
2. "On the job training" as a HEAD COACH. There is a big difference between being an assistant and a HEAD.
Liberty University is not the University of South Carolina, never will be and never should be and the coach knew that when he left SC. He should have known
something about the young men (not donkeys) that he was inheriting. These players chose Liberty not because it was a top 25 program or who the coach
was, but because LU offered a chance for them to play D1 baseball in a great Christian environment.
3. It was actually another poster who said the players were having so much fun playing for the new coaches.
4. The players are probably afraid of being benched - there is a different line up almost every game.
5. I do not have inside information on which players received athletic money and who didn't (as you obviously do). I was responding to wee, who stated there



ok.... coat tails. Not registering. How about trusting? He was trustworthy enough to bring in the talent. Are you playing with those T-Rex again??? be careful, at your age you could get hurt.



were only 3 recruits instead of the normal 10-15. I believe LU only lost 5 seniors last year so why would you want to bring in 10-15 players anyway?

If you have been to the Sarge, you may be three times my age as it was around when the dinosaurs roamed. Players went to SC for the entire staff. FACT: Ray Tanner would sometimes meet the player for the first time when he reported to campus. This means he committed only on the word and reputation of Storm Toman. This happened year in and year out. You may have visited the venue, but know little how the players in venue got there!
Do your homework; the reason their bios are so much alike is becuase they have been together so long idiot. Did you know that he also called the pitches at SC? Probably not, or you would not have made that statement. If my memory serves me correctly, that have been in the top 3 in the SEC the last 3-4 years in pitching stats. I am sure that you already knew that though because you are so savvy.
Sure that he knew that it would not be a top 5, but sure he had no idea he was inheriting a top 150 program either!
I would be afraid of being benched too if i played that poorly. soon the bench will run out as he appears to be desparately looking for someone who actually wants to play! Have you ever heard of "shaking up the line-up"? sure you have- I forgot how savvy you are. Sorry for the disrespect-
As far as getting worse, that is up to the eye of the beholder. what do i think? hell yeah it is bad. Are 99 errors bad? you tell me- you are the perpetual expert here. You can teach, preach, spit, etc..... in pratice. You can show technique and form, but as another poster put it......you can't do it for them. These players were coming to Liberty no matter what. They thought they would play D1 ball while they are here. It shows. It shows what the past coaching staff considered technique. By the way, the five tool players are at South Caroina right now. Brought in by Jim Toman. The ones that you are referring to in the big leagues went the SC route first-

So, om10 you are saying the SC recruits don't know who Tanner is until they get on campus?

Can you say: COAT TAILS. We shall see what the record looks like in a few years.

Suggestion: Maybe the junior catcher should call pitches since he knows the pitchers better than the guru.


ok.... coat tails. Not registering. How about trusting? He was trustworthy enough to bring in the talent. Are you playing with those T-Rex again??? be careful, at your age you could get hurt.

bad idea on the catcher calling the pitches. He really does not know what is going on and the pitcher can't throw the pitches anyway. Will not do any good to have the pitches called from the dugout. Are you and checkmate brothers?? Just curious as I was wondering how long it would take for you to bring in the religion card.


And, finally I hope the LU players are Christians first and ballplayers second.

[omaha10]

ok.... coat tails. Not registering. How about trusting? He was trustworthy enough to bring in the talent. Are you playing with those T-Rex again??? be careful, at your age you could get hurt.

bad idea on the catcher calling the pitches. He really does not know what is going on and the pitcher can't throw the pitches anyway. Will not do any good to have the pitches called from the dugout. Are you and checkmate brothers?? Just curious as I was wondering how long it would take for you to bring in the religion card.

[omaha10]

evidently he hates toman for some reason. jealosy possibly that his favorite school didn't get him? idk

I am starting to think that he has a couple of sons that are B players, that he thinks might be or were A players. Leo, it is becoming clear: did your boys get passed over by big time programs? I have no idea if you even have children or not, but this scenerio is interesting. Sounds like the possibility of sour grapes

[prototype]

First of all let me say that I have no ties with any Liberty coaches. I have no idea of what has gone on with the hirings and firings. I want to share a different perspective on the season, I hope all opinions are welcome.
It seems that most are blaming the players for the "losing season" thus far(12-14). These are the same players, (minus two starting position players) that won 36 games last year. If they are not fundamentally sound as some have suggested then the former coach really did a good job.
IMO the new coach must take some of the blame for the disappointing start. I don't care how good your thoroughbreds are, the jockey must know how to ride.
Consider these facts:
1. A great recruiter does not equal a great coach. ( almost anyone could recruit for USC )
2. Zero years as a Head Coach equals "on the job training".
3. The players do not look like they are having fun. (Would be nice to hear from some of them)
4. The players look like they are afraid of making a mistake. (You gotta want the ball to come to you)
5. There are actually nine '07 recruits on the team, not 3.
Do not give up on this team yet, there is still a whole lot of baseball to be played.

Nice to have new member on board, and we are here to agree to disagree, but evidently, you so do not have ANY baseball savvy- think about this leo, the only reason they won so many games was because of the BAD schedule. Granted this years does not look any brighter, but the teams lu played last year have improved. Can't believe that lu won that many games with 99 errors last year. The lu players have not improved, so therefore that explains why the # of losses have gone up. Not on the coaches shoulders, have you sat thru a practice? All three coaches are training and teaching the entire time. These players try, but do not possess any of the 5 tools needed to make it on the diamond. Harsh, but true-

#1- YOU could not recruit for USC. Have you been to Omaha as player or coach? Let me sit and laugh at you before I read your reply. If anyone can do it, why not you? Obviously you have not visited the facilities at sc. Dead last in the SEC, and he still was able to bring in #1 recruiting classes consistently year after year and make it to the cws. read his bio.
#2- he has all the on the job training that he needs. Please educate me in any time this year that we were not in the game at the end, and a "play from the bench" was not called? The games that I have attended and lost looked like the upperclassmen were the ones striking out and missing signs not the coach. Am I right? I am not sure, but I believe that we have seen more hit and runs, more steals, more bunts, more squeezes than before. Please correct me if I am wrong. Stategically, we have been in there. it is the pasture players that are not getting it done. I don't think he would have left a top 3 program to ride a bunch of donkies, but that is exactly what he inherited. not one of these did he bring in and in mho, he would not have recruited one of them at sc.
#3- would you be having fun if you were the embarassment that you are, and still looked that bad after taking 150 ground balls in practice every day? Anyone figure out why we have so many "infield" hits against us? I think the answer lies in not having the athletes to get to the balls. jmo
#4- I am sure they are afraid of making mistakes! At this time, they make more errors than the recorded hits
#5- there were actually only 3 sch. players, the rest were walk-ons and it surely shows!

Not giving up on this team as I have to say the effort is there, just not the talent. If lu is ever to compete, they are going to need the big horses, and these will just have to saddle up and do there best until the big ones arrive. I feel for the coaching staff because none of them are accustomed to losing. the Storm usually doesnt have 13 losses for an entire season, so you have to feel for him. how frustrating. But the ship will set sail for asheville and hopfully the guys can battle thru injuries and lack of talent and make the conference schedule a little more exciting-

Omaha - are you telling me that Toman cares this much about this board and what this board is saying - that he has his old friend from SC defending him. You know Toman - you don't know the talent here. Don't try and down-play the talent here at Liberty - that is a total slam on these guys - there is plenty of talent on this team. And you are getting all you info from Toman - that's great, but the whole 3 recruits excuse is lame - he forgot to tell you one key thing - There are 9 new recruits, the reason there are only 3 considered scholarship players is because 4 or 5 of the others are in-state kids that pretty much receive full rides for academics and other grants. If Toman gives them a dime in scholarship - all that money goes against the team scholarship total allowed by rule. So what you are bringing up is wrong and spin.

The team is talented and the guys just need to get more work in and start having some more fun. The one thing I see here that Toman is doing wrong (In my opinion) is playing the wrong guys in the wrong positions. Brown can't play 3rd, put him at first. And put Negron back in the outfield.